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I've been curious about these things since the first version came to market a couple years back. I'm a big fan of "illuminated" battery free optics. The novelty of the thing was just too much when SeeAll had a 40% off sale last week, so I snagged the MK2 "improved" version of the original sight.
Today's test rifle is my knock about carbine, a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. Anyone who has one knows the sights, while adequate and fairly accurate, are also cluttered. I thought the SeeAll might provide a simpler sight picture for what is really a short range minute of man type rifle.
The SeeAll comes with an instruction sheet and a tiny allen key to make windage and elevation adjustments.
Target is 25 yards out.
After getting a basic zero, I tried a simple group. Unfortunately, it's high, and my elevation is maxed out. Part of what made this sight seem attractive is how low it mounts on a rail, but at least on this rifle, it's not going to work at 25 yards.
The way this sight sits on the rail actually puts it slightly out of the way of the front and rear "ears" that protect the factory sights, though you can't tell it from this picture.
The farther you mount this forward, the larger the triangle appears in your field of vision, so after playing with it at different spots, I moved it all the way forward on the CX4's rail.
One thing it definitely has going for it is it's small profile and light weight. It really add's nothing to the rifle in terms of handling characteristics.
Just because, I also dropped it from chest height to see if anything would break. So far so good.
Will have to clean out the elevation screw hole though, as it got some mud in it.
Being somewhat unimpressed with the group, I decided to try with the standard irons and see how it compared.
The second group was aimed at the crosshair bar where it meets green on the bottom. You can see that it's a little better than it was with the SeeAll.
And, just for giggles, I decided to remount the sight and see if it maintained any sort of zero like an AK optic might.
Point of aim was the crosshair bar where it meets the green from the right side. Not a bad group, about the same as before, but a little more left.
This sight takes some getting used to. I'm not giving up on it but didn't really have time to do a lot of shooting with it today.
One thing to get in your head before buying one is that this is not a red dot, and for a lot of people, both eyes open shooting with it wont work like it does with a red dot. Think of it more as better visible open sight set up like you might find on a Mauser or SKS or AK rifle.
With that in mind, I may find some other candidates for testing for this sight. Maybe a simple no-gunsmith scout mount on a surplus bolt action.
The nature of the sight makes it hard for me to get a great sight picture as well. I try to zero at the tip of the triangle, but because the tip really terminates right at the edge of the glass, I find it wandering off and sometimes obstructing my view. I actually tried hitting some floating targets in the pond with it afterwards and had some success letting the triangle tip be obstructed by the edge of the glass and just guessing where the point would be if I could see it.
Overall:
Pros:
-Simple and light. Adds nothing in weight to the rifle.
-Well constructed. Has only two moving parts, and I don't doubt it could handle recoil on something beefier than 9mm.
-Decently accurate at close range. I'll have to work with it a little more when time permits to really bring out it's true potential.
Cons
-Couldn't get it zeroed, ran out of adjustment on this rifle at 25 yards.
-Sight picture takes some getting used to.
-Price. For what it is, I think 40% off is a good price. At full price, I would get a red dot instead unless you have a specific purpose for this sight..
Overall, probably not a bad buy, but there's better options out there depending on your purpose. Time will tell, really.
On a handgun, it might really shine, but I don't have any optic ready pistols, so I can't try it out.
The Mk2 also corrects some problems of the original. For one, the mounting system on the first model was two set screws that pushed down on the rail, holding the sight on with tension. A lot of reviews online were dubious of it's ability to hold securely and the fact that it might mar the finish on their precious snowflake rifles. The Mk2 clamps on with a side screw/tension mount like every other red dot/rifle optic out there.
The first version had the logo splashed in white on the side and inside the sight it's self, meaning when you looked at the triangle, you saw the company logo, which was kind of distracting, I imagine. The Mk2 simply has a triangle in the field of view and the logo on the side is etched, but not color filled, so it wont disrupt your perfectly black, black rifle.
Today's test rifle is my knock about carbine, a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. Anyone who has one knows the sights, while adequate and fairly accurate, are also cluttered. I thought the SeeAll might provide a simpler sight picture for what is really a short range minute of man type rifle.
The SeeAll comes with an instruction sheet and a tiny allen key to make windage and elevation adjustments.
Target is 25 yards out.
After getting a basic zero, I tried a simple group. Unfortunately, it's high, and my elevation is maxed out. Part of what made this sight seem attractive is how low it mounts on a rail, but at least on this rifle, it's not going to work at 25 yards.
The way this sight sits on the rail actually puts it slightly out of the way of the front and rear "ears" that protect the factory sights, though you can't tell it from this picture.
The farther you mount this forward, the larger the triangle appears in your field of vision, so after playing with it at different spots, I moved it all the way forward on the CX4's rail.
One thing it definitely has going for it is it's small profile and light weight. It really add's nothing to the rifle in terms of handling characteristics.
Just because, I also dropped it from chest height to see if anything would break. So far so good.
Will have to clean out the elevation screw hole though, as it got some mud in it.
Being somewhat unimpressed with the group, I decided to try with the standard irons and see how it compared.
The second group was aimed at the crosshair bar where it meets green on the bottom. You can see that it's a little better than it was with the SeeAll.
And, just for giggles, I decided to remount the sight and see if it maintained any sort of zero like an AK optic might.
Point of aim was the crosshair bar where it meets the green from the right side. Not a bad group, about the same as before, but a little more left.
This sight takes some getting used to. I'm not giving up on it but didn't really have time to do a lot of shooting with it today.
One thing to get in your head before buying one is that this is not a red dot, and for a lot of people, both eyes open shooting with it wont work like it does with a red dot. Think of it more as better visible open sight set up like you might find on a Mauser or SKS or AK rifle.
With that in mind, I may find some other candidates for testing for this sight. Maybe a simple no-gunsmith scout mount on a surplus bolt action.
The nature of the sight makes it hard for me to get a great sight picture as well. I try to zero at the tip of the triangle, but because the tip really terminates right at the edge of the glass, I find it wandering off and sometimes obstructing my view. I actually tried hitting some floating targets in the pond with it afterwards and had some success letting the triangle tip be obstructed by the edge of the glass and just guessing where the point would be if I could see it.
Overall:
Pros:
-Simple and light. Adds nothing in weight to the rifle.
-Well constructed. Has only two moving parts, and I don't doubt it could handle recoil on something beefier than 9mm.
-Decently accurate at close range. I'll have to work with it a little more when time permits to really bring out it's true potential.
Cons
-Couldn't get it zeroed, ran out of adjustment on this rifle at 25 yards.
-Sight picture takes some getting used to.
-Price. For what it is, I think 40% off is a good price. At full price, I would get a red dot instead unless you have a specific purpose for this sight..
Overall, probably not a bad buy, but there's better options out there depending on your purpose. Time will tell, really.
On a handgun, it might really shine, but I don't have any optic ready pistols, so I can't try it out.
The Mk2 also corrects some problems of the original. For one, the mounting system on the first model was two set screws that pushed down on the rail, holding the sight on with tension. A lot of reviews online were dubious of it's ability to hold securely and the fact that it might mar the finish on their precious snowflake rifles. The Mk2 clamps on with a side screw/tension mount like every other red dot/rifle optic out there.
The first version had the logo splashed in white on the side and inside the sight it's self, meaning when you looked at the triangle, you saw the company logo, which was kind of distracting, I imagine. The Mk2 simply has a triangle in the field of view and the logo on the side is etched, but not color filled, so it wont disrupt your perfectly black, black rifle.
