Sheriff Baker Blocks All Permits in Wake County

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  1. ripv2

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    I doubt that anyone on this site voted for that POS
     
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    $$$$. I have been 'printed and investigated' enough times now that my next pistol permit should come with a damn security clearance. So far 2 states and 3 different counties. NC will make 3 and 4 respectively. You can bet your behind those prints and background checks would hold up in court if I ever committed a crime, but not if I need permit for n'th time. they want them fees. :rolleyes:

    side rant::even more frustrating is NC made me take another 9 hour class. I already have the basic NRA cert, which they do not honor. finally took class few weeks ago. but its the primary reason I procrastinated 4 months beyond eligibility. And im a gun nut. that def a barrier of entry for many people. For someone who already has out of state license, an online test of basic legal stuff would be more 'sensible' like it is with hunting. Again though, follow the $$$. If they created such a barrier for hunting they would lose a ton of out-of-state dollars.
     
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    Tell others not to vote for the POS...
     
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    Just got this email from Carolina Gunrunners

    Good morning,

    Thanks to Grass Roots North Carolina and Gun Owners of America’s efforts, Wake County has reversed it’s position and has now classified firearms stores as an essential business.

    We will resume business on Wednesday, April 1st, with modified store hours Monday through Saturday from 10am to 5pm. We will implement the mandatory social distancing requirement.

    CGR Staff

    CD
     
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    @Studentofthegun Ignore this guy. Since your opening statement in GRNC and all thru this thread he has tried to incite an argument with you. He has spent two years blasting the organization. Move on @B00ger and man up. For a man of god you are not very forgiving.
     
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    It has all been worked out and everything is good in the neighborhood. We got Booger onboard and he has pledged his sword, Aragorn style.

    All we need to do now is find a Legolas and a Gimli and we’ll have ourselves a fellowship.
     
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    Congrats to Grass Roots on the win and taking on the fight for the citizens of Wake County and NC. Not many are looking after gun rights and assures me the donations I give at gun shows is going to the right people.
     
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    I agree that it is a win and a very quick and timely resolution to the sheriff's off-the-wall actions. However, one part of the order bothers me.

    'In a press release, officials said in the consent order, both parties agreed that Baker will modify the application process so as to "minimize or alleviate the admission of applicants for said permits to the Public Safety Center," during the term of the State of Emergency, and resume processing applications, in as timely a fashion as possible, under the current conditions.'

    I am worried that language allows some wiggle room in the application process. Does anyone from GRNC have any further explanations?
     
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    So, what happens to those 755 backlogged permit applications that were backlogged before the shut down. Where they processed at all? He still has 14 days from submission of those by law.

    CD
     
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    I want to know the same. Cumberland is still not allowing people to pick up PPPs, supposedly they will walk your CHP out to you.
     
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    Honestly I do not know. I’m not affiliate with GRNC. Juts moderating the forum and trying to get things kicked off. They are going to designate a couple people to post things but I haven’t got coordinated with them yet. I think it might be that they both have jobs that are nuts right now.
     
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    I am getting contradicting information on this issue.

    On March 20, 2020, Eddie Caldwell, Executive Vice President and General Counsel, North Carolina Sheriffs’ Association published a document (attached) which says that nothing prevents a sheriff from suspending CHP fingerprinting services in times of a declared emergency. The last paragraph on the first page speaks about CHP applications, and how they are treated differently than other non criminal, civil fingerprinting.

    "The processing of Concealed Handgun Permits (CHP) under our General Statutes is treated differently in terms of who conducts fingerprinting. Pursuant to G.S.14-415.13, a CHP applicant must submit a full set of fingerprints to the sheriff and the fingerprinting must be “administered by a sheriff.” (red emphasis mine) It continues in the same paragraph, "The statute does not appear to prohibit a sheriff from suspending CHP fingerprinting services during a declared state of emergency." and "Based on this statutory language, any sheriff suspending CHP fingerprinting services during a declared state of emergency would be protected from any civil or criminal liability related to the temporary suspension of this service due to public safety concerns, such as the coronavirus pandemic."

    Then on March 27, 2020, the same Eddie Caldwell published another document (also attached) which completely contradicts the first document. The last sentence in paragraph "B" :

    "Article 54B does not grant to the sheriff the authority to suspend the processing or issuance of concealed handgun permits because of a declared state of emergency."

    What I find confusing is the first publication states that a sheriff CAN suspend the CHP Fingerprinting service, while the second publication says that a sheriff cannot suspend the processing or issuance of concealed handgun permits because of a declared state of emergency. But the fingerprint service is PART OF the processing and issuance of the permit!

    This is coming directly from the NC Sheriff's Association, and seems very contradictional to me.

    As part of the fingerprinting group in our sheriff's office, I became aware of another fact: If an application for a new CHP is processed today, the accompanying fingerprints MUST ALSO be submitted to Raleigh by 5:00 pm on the SAME DAY! So, the timing of "processing" and "fingerprinting" for a new CHP application is crucial.

    Our sheriff suspended all civil, non-criminal fingerprinting three weeks ago. I personally am part of the volunteer staff that scans AFIS fingerprints. Fingerprinting is a "contact" sport. There is no way I can scan your fingerprints while keeping a "social distance" or not physically touching you. For that reason, all non-criminal fingerprinting was shut down because of corona-virus. The subject came up about the issuance of new CHPs. After "the powers that be" discussed and reviewed all angles of the issue, it was decided that NEW CHPs WILL continue to be processed. All of our fingerprinting is scheduled online, so there is no personal contact needed. Since no fingerprints are required for RENEWAL of a CHP or a PPP, the ONLY problem arises with NEW CHP applications.

    All civil, non-criminal fingerprinting in our Sheriff's Office is conducted by we volunteers and has been shut down during this corona-virus time. Fingerprinting for CHPs will resume, however, at this time, it is not clear if Sheriff's Office employees or we volunteers will do the actual fingerprinting.

    I am a member of the volunteer team that takes fingerprints. I have become very good at it, and enjoy the interaction with people. But I am also concerned about the spread of ANY virus, cold, flu, etc. Most of we volunteers are retired, elderly folks, and not all of us have the same strong immune systems of youth.

    The shutdown of fingerprinting at our Sheriff's Office had NOTHING to do with the second amendment. Our sheriff is very much, PRO 2A. Fingerprinting was shut down to protect we volunteers who actually take the fingerprints. After review, it was decided that new applications for CHPs WILL be processed, and fingerprinting for that purpose only will continue. Since we are all volunteers, no one can FORCE us to come in and take fingerprints. That may revert back to Sheriff's Office employees until we all get back to normal.

    I pray that this whole virus runs its course, and we can all get back to normal soon.
     
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    We will begin processing applications for new CHPs on May 15th. They will stay in their car while all their paperwork is checked and processed. After everything is ok, they will be let into the lobby, where their temperature will be taken, and they will be required to wash their hands. After that their fingerprints will be taken and they will leave. After they leave, the fingerprint scanner, and the area surrounding wherever they sat will be sanitized.

    I think it will be the cleanest and most sanitary the fingerprint room will have ever been...
     
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    And to think that they have been processing individuals taken into custody without all these sanitary precautions.
     
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    Do they take their temperature anally ?
     
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    But to King Baker we gun people are the unclean dregs of humanity ... and extra precautions MUST be taken :rolleyes:.
     
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    Have any of ya'll ever tried to see if one of your Reps will introduce legislation to do away with this thing or is it a money trail?
     
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    It’s a power/control trail more than a money trail with the pistol purchase permits. There’s definitely more than $5 invested in a Permit with supplies and labor.
     
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    Ding ding ding

    Lolz. I’m gonna take your word for it!
     
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    I think that comes later in Gen Pop.
     
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