Shooting in Myrtle Beach?

Tailhunter said:
How long can America suffer this stupidity?
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......as long as weak, spineless people allow it too. LEO's just need to take MB back, and crack heads doing it, bottom line. We are letting the animals run the zoo in this nation.
 
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No one called you a coward. Death is a scary thing. It scares some less than others.
Again. What you are prepared to live with is different than others.
I am glad that such men exist, as I alluded to, because the world will need them, and that right soon.
Others will change, or die.
 
Bailey Boat said:
If the only way I could see the ocean again is MB, then I guess I'll never see it again....
I was going to MB back in the 80's and 90's and it was bad enough then. Today there is no way in hell I would place myself or my family in that kind of jeopardy.... Just another place the good folks have been run out of...
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......its people man, just stay the Fu@k away from the unwashed masses. I do every chance I get.
 
B00ger said:
Your failure to see doesn't mean that others didn't interpret it that way. Welcome to the internet where your tone, inflection, and history is unknown. While others may discuss possible ways to defend themselves/fight their way out/avoid the situation, your first comment was basically "yeah, you do anything you gonna die" which implies that the only course of action is to either die, or comply. So unless you like meant dying is the best option that leaves compliance as the only thing you were encouraging.




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well, yes... as you said: "Welcome to the internet where your tone, inflection, and history is unknown."

I will be the first to admit that I may from time to time not convey accurately what I intended.

My point being is that while typing on the internet, it is easy for us to claim that in such a situation, we would go all "John Wick" ( no offense or reference to the poster on this site by that name ) or Jack Reacher on someone, and grab the perps gun, disarm them while pulling their head through the shattered drivers door glass.... where in real life, that opportunity may not exist, or the opportunity to react may be a bit prolonged.
 
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DLam said:
well, yes... in your own words... "


well, yes... as you said: "Welcome to the internet where your tone, inflection, and history is unknown."

I will be the first to admit that I may from time to time not convey accurately what I intended.

My point being is that while typing on the internet, it is easy for us to claim that in such a situation, we would go all "John Wick" ( no offense or reference to the poster on this site by that name ) or Jack Reacher on someone, and grab the perps gun, disarm them while pulling their head through the shattered drivers door glass.... where in real life, that opportunity may not exist, or the opportunity to react may be a bit prolonged.
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No doubt, in fact, I don't totally disagree with you. In my opinion, which someone above mentioned, in this specific situation it could have been avoided all together. Loud bangs followed by panicked people fleeing all around ones car should equate to hitting the gas pedal and vacating the area.

Let's face it, we all lounge chair quarterback these situations. The difference is in how you mentally handle this quarterbacking. If you push yourself into the realm of fantasy, then it is a disservice. But if you use the "quarterbacking" in a realistic way it can be vital mental training.

There is a YouTube channel called Active Self Defense or something similar where the host shows deadly encounters from around the world. Some turn out well for the good guy and they are good examples of how to act. Some turn about poorly and they are good warnings about how not to act. So, using this specific shooting as an example we can see MANY ways in which not to act...the first of which is "don't be in myrtle beach".


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B00ger said:
No doubt, in fact, I don't totally disagree with you. In my opinion, which someone above mentioned, in this specific situation it could have been avoided all together. Loud bangs followed by panicked people fleeing all around ones car should equate to hitting the gas pedal and vacating the area.

Let's face it, we all lounge chair quarterback these situations. The difference is in how you mentally handle this quarterbacking. If you push yourself into the realm of fantasy, then it is a disservice. But if you use the "quarterbacking" in a realistic way it can be vital mental training.

There is a YouTube channel called Active Self Defense or something similar where the host shows deadly encounters from around the world. Some turn out well for the good guy and they are good examples of how to act. Some turn about poorly and they are good warnings about how not to act. So, using this specific shooting as an example we can see MANY ways in which not to act...the first of which is "don't be in myrtle beach".


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Bravo, and thank you for expressing this with a slight twist on the semantics which I think clarifies my initial thought.

It is without question that self awareness in the initial stages of the situation SHOULD have resulted in the person realizing that it is imperative to get the hell out of dodge quickly...

The arm chair quarterback euphemism is appropriate here, as we all I am sure, myself included, have sat behind our computer screens and puffed out our chest in Chuck Norris fashion, opining what we would do... I dont in any way accuse anyone but myself of being guilty of this type behavior (but if we are honest with ourselves, we know we all have done it... ;) )
 
DLam said:
Bravo, and thank you for expressing this with a slight twist on the semantics which I think clarifies my initial thought.

It is without question that self awareness in the initial stages of the situation SHOULD have resulted in the person realizing that it is imperative to get the hell out of dodge quickly...

The arm chair quarterback euphemism is appropriate here, as we all I am sure, myself included, have sat behind our computer screens and puffed out our chest in Chuck Norris fashion, opining what we would do... I dont in any way accuse anyone but myself of being guilty of this type behavior (but if we are honest with ourselves, we know we all have done it... ;) )
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Yup, I do the same thing. "Well, I would have barrel rolled out of the car while emptying my AR which magically appeared in my hand..." but then reality of a "wise" man kicks in and we think "well, since I have screwed up til this point the bad guy probably wouldn't want my car because I would have pooped all in the seat..."

But from a learning perspective we have to take out of it to be situationally prepared at all times, avoid areas where violence may be prone to occur, avoid "mobs", when danger becomes apparent get out of the area, and if you have failed all of the above then make sure your ability to defend yourself is readily at hand. My take from the "distract people while I find my gun" is a sign that I need to review my vehicle defense...is my firearm readily accessible? Is it serviceable? Will I have to fumble around for it? Have I practiced firing from a seated position in a car? Have I practiced drawing from an awkward position?

I think one of the strengths we have as a community is that we can take the experience of others, filter out the bravado, and come up with viable and applicable self defense mindsets that we hopefully never have to use.


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Curmudgeon said:
Holden Beach for me. Nothing to do but fish and nap. Been going there since 1962
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We just spent a few days on Holden, loved every second of it.

We did a day trip to Myrtle Beach. The last time I was there was 1993ish. Man, has it changed...and not for the good. It is all ghetto now. Real shame because I had some fond memories from there as a kid, and I love the low country (really, anywhere south of MB).

We'll not go back (to MB).
 
DLam said:
well, yes... as you said: "Welcome to the internet where your tone, inflection, and history is unknown."

I will be the first to admit that I may from time to time not convey accurately what I intended.

My point being is that while typing on the internet, it is easy for us to claim that in such a situation, we would go all "John Wick" ( no offense or reference to the poster on this site by that name ) or Jack Reacher on someone, and grab the perps gun, disarm them while pulling their head through the shattered drivers door glass.... where in real life, that opportunity may not exist, or the opportunity to react may be a bit prolonged.
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ahhh, to have his (John Wick) skills.
 
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The Green Heron said:
No one called you a coward. Death is a scary thing. It scares some less than others.
Again. What you are prepared to live with is different than others.
I am glad that such men exist, as I alluded to, because the world will need them, and that right soon.
Others will change, or die.
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Death is nothing to fear.

My family would cause me pause, not because they need me so much but the other way around.

Everything I have ever learned would be used against evil to stop harm against my family.

At that point my own life has no other value.
 
B00ger said:
Yup, I do the same thing. "Well, I would have barrel rolled out of the car while emptying my AR which magically appeared in my hand..." but then reality of a "wise" man kicks in and we think "well, since I have screwed up til this point the bad guy probably wouldn't want my car because I would have pooped all in the seat..."
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This made me chuckle hard, thank you.



As others have said, its easy to say what you'd do from the comfort of your recliner, patio table, coffee shop etc
But when in the situation things change.
Im fortunate to have only been in one situation where my life was threatened with a gun, and it wasnt just me. But I was stuck. Had a pocketknife on me (just left a show/concert) and was a bit away from the gunman (20 yards or so). It was, most definitely, the most scary moment of my life.
Me and my friends told that story to other friends who werent there with us, and many had the, "I'd have [insert badassery here]..." - we four just chuckled at them

But situational awareness is key, especially in a situation like the one in the video - driving through a crowded area etc.
 
DLam said:
My point being is that while typing on the internet, it is easy for us to claim that in such a situation, we would go all "John Wick" ( no offense or reference to the poster on this site by that name ) or Jack Reacher on someone, and grab the perps gun, disarm them while pulling their head through the shattered drivers door glass.... where in real life, that opportunity may not exist, or the opportunity to react may be a bit prolonged.
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While true, again you leave the reader with no answers, just a, 'You can't do it, you'll die.' So.... do what then? You're leaving the reader sitting in the car with no options.

But, what I meant by being moot, is this statement you reacted to was not tactical advice, but just a feeling about the bad guy. This discussion has spiraled into a tactical discussion, except for the guys discussing which beach is best. I think car tactics is another topic entirely.

Just how I see it.

wsfiredude said:
Too bad the folks whom he carjacked didn't have a weapon of their own to snuff his ass.
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HMP said:
But situational awareness is key, especially in a situation like the one in the video - driving through a crowded area etc.
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Agreed that SA should just be, like, standard.
I think just as critically is having some kind of damn spider sense. You know, that gut feeling of 'something just ain't right about this..'
Those people driving by, even stopping, in the vid.."oh look a parade!"
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They got no sense. Sooner rather than later they are destined to be a victim of something.
But you can't train spider sense. I believe this requires some time in the school of hard knocks, and an IPhone lifestyle doesn't present that.
 
georgel said:
While true, again you leave the reader with no answers, just a, 'You can't do it, you'll die.' So.... do what then? You're leaving the reader sitting in the car with no options.

But, what I meant by being moot, is this statement you reacted to was not tactical advice, but just a feeling about the bad guy. This discussion has spiraled into a tactical discussion, except for the guys discussing which beach is best. I think car tactics is another topic entirely.

Just how I see it.
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what I am saying, obviously not very well, is that each situation is different. I can not give you a this is what you do except in a specific example. I do not know enough about the specifics to say that this situation should be specifically handled this particular way. Its fluid, I dont purport to have an end all be all answer as to what to do in this specific case.
 
georgel said:
While true, again you leave the reader with no answers, just a, 'You can't do it, you'll die.' So.... do what then? You're leaving the reader sitting in the car with no options.

But, what I meant by being moot, is this statement you reacted to was not tactical advice, but just a feeling about the bad guy. This discussion has spiraled into a tactical discussion, except for the guys discussing which beach is best. I think car tactics is another topic entirely.

Just how I see it.
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and I respect your opinion. (I addressed the "leaving the reader with no answers in an earlier post).

what I go back to in the original post I commented on is the statement you quoted "Too bad the folks whom he carjacked didn't have a weapon of their own to snuff his ass."

to me, that implies that if only the car jackee had had a weapon, the car jacker would have been a dead m-effer... to which I say, and continue to say "not so fast, my friend..."
 
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Dang, I am so confused now I don't know whether to load my AR and hit the strand, or put my pistol back in my pocket and get an ice cream. Who side was I on??
 
Firemedic54 said:
Dang, I am so confused now I don't know whether to load my AR and hit the strand, or put my pistol back in my pocket and get an ice cream. Who side was I on??
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Load your AR and get an ice cream. Duh! :p
 
DLam said:
and I respect your opinion. (I addressed the "leaving the reader with no answers in an earlier post).

what I go back to in the original post I commented on is the statement you quoted "Too bad the folks whom he carjacked didn't have a weapon of their own to snuff his ass."

to me, that implies that if only the car jackee had had a weapon, the car jacker would have been a dead m-effer... to which I say, and continue to say "not so fast, my friend..."
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No worries. Just how things are said.
 
Firemedic54 said:
Dang, it's only Tuesday ya'll.
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You have to be ready to fight anytime, not just when you want to. ;)

Firemedic54 said:
Dang, I am so confused now I don't know whether to load my AR and hit the strand, or put my pistol back in my pocket and get an ice cream. Who side was I on??
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Now you're going to turn this into an OC vs CC issue? Or is it rifle vs pistol?

:D
 
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georgel said:
You have to be ready to fight anytime, not just when you want to. ;)


Now you're going to turn this into an OC vs CC issue? Or is it rifle vs pistol?

:D
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The leader of the local NAACP chapter was on TV this morning and he said this crime wave was a gun problem. I couldn't hear the rest of what he said because, after that statement, my wife was yelling at the TV.
 
I'm sitting on the beach in Mazatlan, Sinaloa, Mexico. I've seen a couple of tatted up Sinaloan Cowboys while out to dinner. Hopefully I'll not run into any that start shooting since I definitely can't carry here.
 
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Geezer said:
The leader of the local NAACP chapter was on TV this morning and he said this crime wave was a gun problem. I couldn't hear the rest of what he said because, after that statement, my wife was yelling at the TV.
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The problem is much deeper then that.
 
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