Silent Sam statue toppled at UNC

"A police spokesman said no arrests had been made as of Friday afternoon but that more arrests could be possible."
 
There are reported to be demonstrations planned for today at the site. I hope the police have the forces and the gumption to enforce the NCGS's below, if masked hoodlums from either side of this debate show up.

§ 14-12.7. Wearing of masks, hoods, etc., on public ways. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter, be or appear upon any lane, walkway, alley, street, road, highway or other public way in this State. (1953, c. 1193, s. 6; 1983, c. 175, ss. 1, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)

§ 14-12.8. Wearing of masks, hoods, etc., on public property. No person or persons shall in this State, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter, or appear upon or within the public property of any municipality or county of the State, or of the State of North Carolina. (1953, c. 1193, s. 7.)

§ 14-12.9. Entry, etc., upon premises of another while wearing mask, hood or other disguise. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall, while wearing a mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, demand entrance or admission, enter or come upon or into, or be upon or in the premises, enclosure or house of any other person in any municipality or county of this State. (1953, c. 1193, s. 8; 1983, c. 175, ss. 2, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)

§ 14-12.10. Holding meetings or demonstrations while wearing masks, hoods, etc. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall while wearing a mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, hold any manner of meeting, or make any demonstration upon the private property of another unless such person or persons shall first obtain from the owner or occupier of the property his or her written permission to do so, which said written permission shall be recorded in the office of the register of deeds of the county in which said property is located before the beginning of such meeting or demonstration. (1953, c. 1193, s. 9; 1983, c. 175, ss. 3, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)
 
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The Charlotte Observer published a decent historical article about Silent Sam. The article makes clear that there was a 50-year dialogue and discussion, but the shriekers do not like the democratic conclusion reached in the 2015 monument protection law and are determined to have their way by violence.

Meanwhile, WRAL reported on today's rally, which largely devolved to being anti-police. The most hilarious aspect of WRAL's video was an old white guy wearing a BLM cap who constantly blocked WRAL's camera.
 
gc70 said:
The most hilarious aspect of WRAL's video was an old white guy wearing a BLM cap who constantly blocked WRAL's camera.
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It's well documented that the left are constantly eating their own. Old white guy probably had no idea that he was blocking WRAL, or that they're on his side. He's just making things better by being a moron, just to be on the safe side.
 
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It's well documented that the left are constantly eating their own. Old white guy probably had no idea that he was blocking WRAL, or that they're on his side. He's just making things better by being a moron, just to be on the safe side.
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Oh yeah, the reporter tried several times to stop the old white guy from blocking the camera, but the guy was crazily persistent and even told the reporter why he was blocking the camera (something about not giving a platform to racists).
 
Yes another protest. Even after the statue is down. Just more proof that none of this is about the plight of black people. These are all Marxist protests hoping to start some great Commie Revolution or goad someone into an act of violence. Which they will eventually get. They want their Kent State moment.
 
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Taking away from our history by dirt bags like these is a sad day for all of us.

How would these dirt bags feel if I knocked down their Grandparents tomestone, pissed on it, and then took a dump on it?
 
dmarbell said:
There are reported to be demonstrations planned for today at the site. I hope the police have the forces and the gumption to enforce the NCGS's below, if masked hoodlums from either side of this debate show up.

§ 14-12.7. Wearing of masks, hoods, etc., on public ways. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter, be or appear upon any lane, walkway, alley, street, road, highway or other public way in this State. (1953, c. 1193, s. 6; 1983, c. 175, ss. 1, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)

§ 14-12.8. Wearing of masks, hoods, etc., on public property. No person or persons shall in this State, while wearing any mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter, or appear upon or within the public property of any municipality or county of the State, or of the State of North Carolina. (1953, c. 1193, s. 7.)

§ 14-12.9. Entry, etc., upon premises of another while wearing mask, hood or other disguise. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall, while wearing a mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, demand entrance or admission, enter or come upon or into, or be upon or in the premises, enclosure or house of any other person in any municipality or county of this State. (1953, c. 1193, s. 8; 1983, c. 175, ss. 2, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)

§ 14-12.10. Holding meetings or demonstrations while wearing masks, hoods, etc. No person or persons at least 16 years of age shall while wearing a mask, hood or device whereby the person, face or voice is disguised so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, hold any manner of meeting, or make any demonstration upon the private property of another unless such person or persons shall first obtain from the owner or occupier of the property his or her written permission to do so, which said written permission shall be recorded in the office of the register of deeds of the county in which said property is located before the beginning of such meeting or demonstration. (1953, c. 1193, s. 9; 1983, c. 175, ss. 3, 10; c. 720, s. 4.)
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I've seen police officers get scalded pretty good over wearing mask after making an arrest. Hopefully they enforce it.
 
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GreatGazoo said:
Saw this earlier (do not engage): http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/3...engage-with-silent-sam-protesters-report.html

The WRAL story (linked from first) states: Police Chief Chris Blue instructed Chapel Hill officers to stand aside last week as protesters pulled down a controversial Confederate monument on the University of North Carolina campus, a review of Blue's text messages and emails shows.
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And had there been anti protesters, he would have ordered them to crack heads.
 
Yey, we got a list of rules for the protests now. Check out #9, seems if they had posted this official list of rules before all this started they wouldn't be out there now. Kind of like a gun-free zone.
 

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Ends justifies the means... therefore, open season on criminals?
 
Grim said:
So by this judgement, any statue can be defaced in a similar method and not have judgement imposed. After all, it is now case law.
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Is it? I'm curious if that's so with a case ending in "continued judgement"
Bad idea in any event IMO as this could embolden protesters to escalate.
 
Yep, me and the wife are heading to our nearest art gallery to deface art that insults our sense of decency. Wonder how that would work out? Theres got to be at least 250,000 people in Orange Cty that were not incensed by Silent Sam and looked at him as just a part of the UNC campus. Where is their outrage?
 
Indeed this will embolden this type of group to repeating and escalating their actions, because they were just "proven" justified by a biased judge.

The judge should be disbarred and removed from his post over injecting his bias into the ruling. This is far from being unbiased.
 
How do we get rid of judges who just don't rule by law but by bias?
Impeachment?
Voted in?
Appointed?
How do we make bad judges pay for their bad "rulings"?
 
larryh1108 said:
How do we get rid of judges who just don't rule by law but by bias?
Impeachment?
Voted in?
Appointed?
How do we make bad judges pay for their bad "rulings"?
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I believe the State Government can impeach him. Time for phone calls to local legislators.
 
District Judge Samantha Cabe said that admission was enough to find Little guilty of the offense.

"This case is not a case about the removal of the statue. This is the case about the throwing of paint, as admitted on the stand by Ms. Little," Cabe said. "Based upon Ms. Little’s own admission, I have to find that she is guilty of the charge."

Has anyone been charged in the toppling?
 
larryh1108 said:
How do we get rid of judges who just don't rule by law but by bias?
Impeachment?
Voted in?
Appointed?
How do we make bad judges pay for their bad "rulings"?
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How was this a bad judge? They found her guilty and imposed a sentence that would be allowed to anyone else with the same level crime.
 
"Even after finding Little guilty, Cabe continued judgment – no verdict was entered – and didn't impose any fines, restitution or court costs."
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My statement was made in general toward judges who render preposterous decisions on many cases.
However, the quote above shows no fine, restitution or court costs..... yet. Really? No $500 fine and court costs? What is to stop other students from defacing monuments if there is no penalty? Yes, it said continued judgement but that means if she is a good girl she will get off with no record. That is usual for a first offense but there has to be a $$$ fine/penalty for the costs associated with the damage and prosecution even if there is no permanent record. Kind of like a speeding ticket. There should be no waiting period for that part of a sentence. IMO of course.
 
Cowboy said:
How was this a bad judge? They found her guilty and imposed a sentence that would be allowed to anyone else with the same level crime.
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Would have been nice to give her a little community service time, but I admit that I don’t know what is typical.
 
J R Green said:
Ya'll realize that Littles case had nothing to do with the toppling of the statue, Right?
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It just had to do with smearing paint all over it, which didn’t cost anything to clean up since the statue was destroyed. So, you know, no harm no foul.


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B00ger said:
It just had to do with smearing paint all over it, which didn’t cost anything to clean up since the statue was destroyed. So, you know, no harm no foul.


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The statue is in one piece and warehoused in an undisclosed location, it is going to be put back up, but they're considering different options and requesting input. They’re trying to thread the needle and find a solution that is acceptable to both sides of the issue.
 
noway2 said:
The statue is in one piece and warehoused in an undisclosed location, it is going to be put back up, but they're considering different options and requesting input. They’re trying to thread the needle and find a solution that is acceptable to both sides of the issue.
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Which is kinda like deciding which side of a used wad of toilet paper you should blow your nose with.


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