Slide Lock Reload

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  1. Amp Mangum

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    Mandy Bachman and Larry Vickers take you through, and help teach the nuances of a good slide lock reload.

     
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    Nice, notice she's shooting right handed and closing her right eye.
    If she's a top competitor, it goes to show what you're comfortable with may be your best form.
     
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    Heck, most of my guns are so shot in it slams home on the reload. But I don't shoot competitively and don't baby mags on reloads. For the better or worse.
     
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    Interesting, with the cross eye dominance. Pretty nice reloads!

    Thanks for posting Amp.
     
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    Is it a 1911 thing or just a LV thing to use the support hand thumb to release the slide?
     
  6. Amp Mangum

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    The technique was developed back in the day with the 1911 but it works very well with other pistols also. It is a very efficient way to release the slide after seating the magazine.
     
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    I'm beginning to think I'm the only person that puts extr mags in the holder with the bullets pointed to the rear. I've tried guys but the way I do it seems more natural to me.
    There's a reason I find it easier that way but y'all wouldn't believe me anyway
     
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    :)

    It's because you keep your skoal can in your back left pocket and you already have muscle memory for a reach in that direction.
     
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    Short answer, it has the same velocity as a sling shot reload without the chance to ride the slide. And you already have your grip established as the slide drops instead of having to establish it after the sling shot.

    Personally, sling shot done right, slide release, or slide drops on the mag change will all do the exact same thing. The slide starts from the same position at slide lock, is under the same pressure, and travels the same distance on all of them.
     
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    I don't do either - I sweep the slide stop with my strong thumb. Most shooters I have observed either sling shot or sweep. I can't recall ever seeing the left hand thumb poke in person. So I just wondered if this was a quirky Vickers thing or do I just need to get out more?
     
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    Her hands may be too small to sweep with the strong hand without moving her grip. I use my strong hand most times too if it does not drop when I reload.
     
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    Better be a good reason as I can’t think of a single good comp shooter who uses bullets backward on a pistol mag.

    But yer good in AR mags!
     
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    Get out to matches and you won’t see hardly anyone doing either of those methods.

    Because the clock tells no lies. I used to slingshot but......timer.
     
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    When you seat the magazine in the gun your thumb is very near the slide stop. I seat the mag and as I'm placing my left hand back on the gun, I roll into a firing grip and hit the slide stop with my left hand thumb.

     
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    I've done it that way for over 40 years now. Both quicker and less fumble prone that strong thumb sweep or overhand/opposing release.
     
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    And he does it PDQ ^^^
     
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    Everything he does is quick,lol
     
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    This one is downright tough to do slide lock reloads!!
     
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    Guess since my 2011 cannot go into slide lock that it just doesn't matter.
     
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    Might not be the best, but darned good. And you can watch him shoot locally if you're lucky.

     
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    Jeez that’s fast.
     
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    I'm no expert, but this method causes a lot of problems on the little guns. Between a G26, Shield, G43, Ruger LC9, Kahr P9, and Kahr PM9, I have found overland/slingshot reloads work best. Don't ask me why, I don't know why...but once I go bigger like a Glock 19 size...problems go away.
    Anything small...slingshot for me. Of course, with the small mags, every mag change is a crap shoot.
     
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    Chad is one of the nicest guys in the sport.
     
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    That is a fact. Shooting in his squad is a pure pleasure, and getting to watch him shoot is just a bonus.
     
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    If I meet him I'll give him some pointers :D
     
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    I only use my support hand to release the slide stop with 1911's, my strong thumb for all others (meaning striker fire, and small pistols), but I have good sized hands.
     
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    I'm really good to use as a example of things not to do, there has to be a "before" guy.

    In a serous note,, that guy is quick to say the least
     
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    I just watched this again. I cant match his 25% speed.
     
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    The three general methods to releasing the slide are:

    dominant hand thumb depresses slide stop - overall fastest method however shooter can have a tendency to ride slide stop after reload which can create problems for future reloads. This is also the prefered method for guns such as the Sig P series and 320 that have slide stops located further to the rear of the frame than other brands.

    Support hand thumb reload - second fastest method, shooter doesnt tend to ride slide stop, shooter doesnt have to compromise master grip to depress slide stop

    Overhand - slowest method, can also lead to malfunctions if shooter rides the slide forward.



    Things that influence which method you should use include:

    hand/finger size - dont move the gun or your hand just to get in position to depress the slide stop
    repeat-ability/consistency - can you do it every time you reload
    which gun are you using - as mentioned above, certain guns are set up for certain methods better than others (Sigs better for dominant hand thumb, 1911s better for support hand)


    When it comes to having a handgun magazine with bullets facing to the rear, it isnt done since it generally causes the shooter to reopen his hand, place it further down on the mag tube, and then finish pressing the mag all the way in. With the bullets facing forward, the shooter simply opens his hand, the base of the mag rests on the heel of the hand, and he simply pushes the magazine into the gun in one efficient movement.
     
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    I’d have to see a timer show me that strong hand thumb is fastest.
    And if it were, it would only be on some guns with some hands, so I’d say rarely rather than generally.
    If it were generally faster you’d see it most often in competition and it seems like I never see it.
    Just thinking out loud.
     
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    First what kind of competitions are we talking about and which guns are these guys using? In USPSA the slide lock reload tends to be something that is rare and undesired.


    Second, if you think about it from a pure economy of motion perspective, the dominant hand thumb would be fastest since it has the fingers moving the least amount of distance (for most people) to get the slide going forward which frees up the support hand to re-establish the two hand grip in a quicker manner.


    If keeping it in the realm of right hand shooters, the only time the gun is going to favor the support hand thumb is the 1911 and some of the smaller pocket size guns


    And shot timer evidence has been supporting my view for years. Its always good to reconfirm things from time to time though
     
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    LOL, these topics kill me.
     

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