So PSA is making a Glock clone starting at $299 (DAGR/Dagger)

Evidently they had a live-streamed Q&A in the last day or two. Somebody posted this on ARF:

Cliffnotes from Q&A:

-Waiting on sights before they can produce a final product. Base models will only be ready after the parts arrive (which is most optimistically in 2-3 weeks). Probably end of month for parts arriving, then pistols after.
-Stripped frame. $99. Will also come with locking block and rear rail, as they are proprietary parts.
-All other parts are interchangeable with Gen 3 Glock. They have hammer forged threaded barrels, which will go on the nicer variants. Night sight options (Truglo) as well.
-Planning on four models of pistol in different grades.
-Base model. $299. 3 dot metal sights, nitride/PVD/DLC coating.
-$349 for threaded suppressor ready model. Note that the threaded version isn’t the same as the RMR version.
-RMR cut model. Believe its also $349? Will come out minimum 3 weeks after Base Model.
-Modular optic model coming for non-RMR optics.
-Duty grade model. Specs not final.
-No preorders.
-Parts kits are in development. 80% lowers will be integrated down the road but big legal concerns.
-Working on compact slide and frame variants. Dagger long slide,19x, compact, full size, etc. Looking at 3rd QTR for those variants.
-Working with competition parts such as porting, slide cuts.
-Working on different colors. FDE is moving forward, probably by late summer. OD green is next.
-Not CA legal.
-22.4oz empty.

If it actually ever happens they'll be the new Anderson Lower...
 
If it actually ever happens they'll be the new Anderson Lower...

I want them to be the PSA upper. All the slide/barrel kits for poly80s cost more than this complete gun will. Another $100 frame isn't that exciting, but if they released a $200 complete upper to pop on your poly80 frame? That's going to be the de-facto upper for everyone's first build.
 
The lowers are my biggest issue with Glocks and why I do not own one. So, I’m looking forward to an ergo lower!
 
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The lowers are my biggest issue with Glocks and why I do not own one. So, I’m looking forward to an ergo lower!
Same here, anxious to handle one to see if it still feels like a block or not.
 
No rock throwing please!

...... my opinion, I don’t think Glock as a company will be a leading firearms manufacturer in the future. Why? They are currently follow the Sears business plan. Hold to past successes and do not innovate. Glock made a few break through pistol designs 30 years ago and then stopped innovating. The Glock design will survive and continue to develop. But, in my opinion, the successful Glock manufacturer of the future will follow the “AR 15 business model”.
 
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No rock throwing please!

...... my opinion, I don’t think Glock as a company will be a leading firearms manufacturer in the future. Why? They are currently follow the Sears business plan. Hold to past successes and do not innovate. Glock made a few break through pistol designs 30 years ago and then stopped innovating. The Glock design will survive and continue to develop. But, in my opinion, the successful Glock manufacturer of the future will follow the “AR 15 business model”.


I agree with you completely. How many times now have we heard weeks of hype leading up to a new "game changer" from glock, only to find that they've slightly altered the size of the already existing glock, or added new caliber? They make a good product, but they're a one trick pony.

And this new PSA glock clone will likely be the first ever 'glock' I own.
 
Why's that?

Well, they lost their monopoly.

What do they have to sell except the name now? It won’t take long for other companies to build good ones. I hope PSA is the first but if theirs have problems someone else will figure it out. At the very least either their margins or volume will suffer due to the competition.
 
Evidently there was some confusion on the availability and price of frames, and whether they’d be stripped or complete. Saw this posted:


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The Glock design will survive and continue to develop.

Maybe Glock will see what happened to IBM happen to them? IBM made a superior product, clones came out that were functionally the same, then those clones started getting better as they competed with each other while still staying 'IBM compatible'. Eventually IBM was stuck with it's line of dinosaurs as other people continued to push forward.

IBM went from the innovative leader, to.... well when's the last time you saw an IBM computer that wasn't legacy? (mainframe, cash registers, etc)? A whole lotta companies made a whole lotta money thanks to IBM sitting still.
 
Euro gun companies [like most Euro companies] don't get the US enthusiast market.

Glock is stuck in the LEO contract mindset and let aftermarket clones dominate the demand for custom slides, bbls, etc.

Glock should have been selling custom slides for 20 years already - can't wait til PSA has an affordable 'MOS' optics upper.
 
Maybe Glock will see what happened to IBM happen to them? IBM made a superior product, clones came out that were functionally the same, then those clones started getting better as they competed with each other while still staying 'IBM compatible'. Eventually IBM was stuck with it's line of dinosaurs as other people continued to push forward.

IBM went from the innovative leader, to.... well when's the last time you saw an IBM computer that wasn't legacy? (mainframe, cash registers, etc)? A whole lotta companies made a whole lotta money thanks to IBM sitting still.

IBM moved out of the PC market as it became unprofitable. It was a move that in the short term was painful but in the long run was smart. They instead make infrastructure and back end computing systems as I understand it. They also do huge amounts of research, patent development and consulting. I don’t think the analogy applies. I don’t think clone makers are their biggest competition for Glock . Personally at this point I think Sig and the P320 platform poseses the biggest threat because of the economy of scale created by the Army contract.

You have to remember that the Commercial consumer market in the US is a drop in the bucket for small arms companies. When you look globally Glock dominates the 9mm pistol market. Ask trainers who train people from all over the globe. It is still a Glock World. Even with all the customization options out there 95-99% of Glocks being sold are being shot in their stock configuration with the exception of sight changes. IMHO
 
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If anyone can build a Glock now, they are in a heap of trouble.

Colt has been mismanaged for decades, put out garbage for most of the 70s - 90s, and anyone can build a 1911 and an AR15 but people still buy Colt even though they are more expensive in most cases. I am not convinced they have anything on PSA in regards to ARs anymore but I still favor their 1911s over all others in that general price range. If they left CT and got capable management it could be even better for them.

I do think a cheaper Glock copy is a nice alternative for those who don't want to subsidize Glock's LEO giveaways. I won't pay retail for a Glock but I don't have any use for a Gen 3 Glock copy either.
 
IBM moved out of the PC market as it became unprofitable. It was a move that in the short term was painful but in the long run was smart.

Recently yes, dumping their only 'good' product to lenovo, etc was a good move for them. They couldn't keep profitable on the razor thin margins of PC hardware today.

However, I was thinking more of the 80s and 90s, when an "IBM PC" was a $3500 and the clone version with a higher clock rate, more storage, better graphics, etc was $2500. The clone was better in every way and as people realized that the IBM name was all they were really paying for... the clone guys became kings.

IBM actually bucked the trend and tried to go back to proprietary (microchannel architecture anyone?) but by then the clone guys and standards were ruling the day. Maybe Glock needs to make the Gen 6 in some obscure caliber (because 9mm is too standard, but 9.2mm is so much better!) or with no interchangeable parts with any previous gen. The gen5 is a start.... meanwhile, the gen3 "clone" makers are going to just keep cranking stuff out at lower price points with features people want that still fit the same holsters and shoot the same ammo as before (so run windows I guess).
 
People asking for updates, and this got posted yesterday:


Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:

Here is the bone I am throwing. We are getting it right the first time. We are doing thorough testing on the final production parts, and then we will start mass producing them. You will see them on the website in the very near future.

Thank you,

Josiah
 
Update from 10am today...


Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:


We have not had major mechanical or legal issues. We are simply waiting on an ATF approval, and we will release the firearm!

Thank you,

Josiah
 
According to Chad Wylie on the PSA fb group, the release is set for Friday, Sept. 18 at 4pm.
 
One of my biggest complaints about the Glocks does not seem to be addressed. The trigger guard has always seemed very small compared to M&P, FN, XDM. I could see it being an issue when wearing winter gloves.
 
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Okay, I generally do not like them because of the ergonomics. But I did recently buy a G43x for the form factor and capacity with Shieldarms mags.
 
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I have no complaints with them as a carry combat pistol (which is what they are, after all).

I just can't shoot well with them. So of course, I blame the gun. But if I hand my Glock to the guy next to me, he CAN hit the target. It's the Glock, not me, right? o_O

That was also true for me until I started replacing the triggers. I use Overwatch flat triggers. With those I can shoot the Glocks.
 
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Look, if High Point would invest a fifty grand in a new look at the same price point, they would dominate. I do NOT and WILL not ever understand by they make fugly guns. I would buy three if they didn't look like my hair azz.

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I like the price but i REALLY don't like that trigger guard. I've never shot with my finger on the trigger guard so its really about looks for me. I guess at 299 i can play around and do a little basement gunsmithing on it. It sounds dumb but i have done far dumber things in the past so who knows.
 
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