Discussion in 'Wanted - Anyone have this?' started by Eltonfan59, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:28 PM.
anyone have the knowhow and/or tools to do this?
I don't believe it's legal to have just anyone build an 80 percent for you.
If Im wrong, Im sure I'll be told so.
I believe the owner must be the one to complete it.
So, what I'm hearing is we're waiting on confirmation, one way or the other.
The issue, if I understand it correctly, is that the law allows individuals to create their own firearm. But to create one for someone else is to be a manufacturer, which requires a federal license.
I also believe you have to use your own purchased equipment.
Can't be bop to the machine shop and use their equipment , rent , loan or otherwise.
This. No one can make a firearm for you without an FFL.
OP, if someone else has the tools and shows you how to use them, as long as you do the work, you’re in the clear.
so the proper question is?
“Who has the tools to finish my 80% lower and is willing to let me use them to finish it?”
If the law requires someone to use their own tools, then there really is no cost advantage for someone who's just curious and really becomes something to do as a matter of principle. Then the more one acts on those principles, the more value one gets out of buying the tools and investing the time in manufacturing.
I would guess that most 2A-friendly people have a router, so buying the bits and a single use jig is a small investment.
I don't think the law requires you have all your own tools, but the ATF strongly implies that you need to. They came down on gun show tables and shops hosting cnc build parties where they sell you everything you need and then show you which button to press. Their intent was, allegedly, to run a business of bypassing the FFL laws. For one-offs with tools shared between friends, I don't think it's illegal and I don't think the ATF is ever going to find out. I could be wrong though. And you'd never catch me at an advertised 80% build party...
Alternatively, maybe use a drill and knock a few shallow holes in the fcg pocket. according to the rules, it's now a "complete" firearm even if you still can't put anything in it yet Those little holes you make aren't going to interfere with the mill they use to do the job. Although, you're getting back into questionable intent territory for something that may not have been tested in court yet.
Please clarify, I read your post different than others.
Are you looking for machine work, or someone that can anodize or cerakote finish the receiver?
I certainly appreciate all the feedback and insight. It certainly sounds like others are interested as well. I guess I need to make some phone calls to some folks to find out officially.
there is nothing saying you have to use your own tools/tooling. However, you have to do all the controlling of said equipment to complete said lower. Hence you are the manufacture of said item for personal use and not in the business of doing it.
However, unless you know someone who has the stuff that will let you borrow it and guide you through it, you're gonna have a hard time finding someone to loan you their stuff.
However, @Eltonfan59 if you're free Thursday, come on over and I can coach you through everything and let you use my stuff and share the dos and don'ts that I learned the hard way. Just bring a can of Grizzly wintergreen pouches, and your lower
Exactly, you don't do it for financial reasons. I had zero interest in 80%'ers for this reason, I'd rather buy a PSA or Aero lower for $40-70. A friend decided to buy a jig, so I said what the heck, why not. At this point, I'm only saving the FFL fee since the market is in the gutter, but it will be cool to know "I built this one".
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