Soviet AK vs. Chinese Type 56

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Both battlefield pickups off the Taliban recently.

Soviet AK (1954) and Chinese Type 56. Don’t see many Chicom ones here with spike bayonets. Russian is better finished and all matching (receiver, bolt, bolt carrier, gas tube, return rod and receiver cover) and headspace on both are GTG. Both need correct grip and Chicom is missing butt plate, muzzle nut/brake and cleaning rod (receiver, bolt carrier and recoil rod matching). One will be put on the wall here and other goes back to the team that recovered her.

Both rifles
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Type 56 bayonet
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CD
 
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Chinese Type 56 receiver markings. 416 (in triangle): State Arsenal 976 in Qingdao, Shan Dong Province, East central China. Poly Tech imported semi auto guns into the US.
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Rear sight "D" marking bottom left
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Selector markings "L" auto and "D" semi
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All jizz jokes aside, those are stunningly beautiful pieces of history. I can't imagine holding one in my hands, let alone knowing just one of the many, many stories those amalgams of wood and steel hold within. Seriously, thanks so much for sharing.

Will we be treated to any shooting videos, by chance?
 
IUHoosier429 said:
All jizz jokes aside, those are stunningly beautiful pieces of history. I can't imagine holding one in my hands, let alone knowing just one of the many, many stories those amalgams of wood and steel hold within. Seriously, thanks so much for sharing.

Will we be treated to any shooting videos, by chance?
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Maybe Sunday for videos

CD
 
@Combat Diver you continue to amaze me with the stuff you come across. If those old rifles could talk....
 
CD: Nice units. Obviously, you know as you have handled them the Chicom type 56 is a sheet metal receiver. The Russian is milled from solid block. That 1954 date code is an incredible find. I had one a little rougher...buttstock was beat up bad with a 1955 date code in Baghdad. I "retired" that tired old soldier (hung it up on the wall for display) I also had a VERY nice Polish under folder milled receiver and solid milled folding buttstock rails. that weapon had a pretty nice blued finish
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Had a honest Romanian Krinkov I carried for a little while...until my boss told me that we didn't exactly Own that weapon. 100_0178.jpg 1955 date Russian milled receiver AK47.jpg 000_0010.jpg 000_0011.jpg A real Romainian Krinkov.jpg
 
I wonder one day if someone will find a M16 in the battlefield and ask if had a story to tell......













Who I'm kidding, probably jammed in the field and dropped it for a AK!!!!!!!!!!


I joke I know a m16-ar15 is a fine battle rifle but the AK is build for abuse and neglect
 
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pfcustom said:
CD: Nice units. Obviously, you know as you have handled them the Chicom type 56 is a sheet metal receiver. The Russian is milled from solid block. That 1954 date code is an incredible find. I had one a little rougher...buttstock was beat up bad with a 1955 date code in Baghdad. I "retired" that tired old soldier (hung it up on the wall for display) I also had a VERY nice Polish under folder milled receiver and solid milled folding buttstock rails. that weapon had a pretty nice blued finish
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Had a honest Romanian Krinkov I carried for a little while...until my boss told me that we didn't exactly Own that weapon. View attachment 135164 View attachment 135165 View attachment 135166 View attachment 135167 View attachment 135168
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That Polish Radom produced AKS has the Iraqi Army acceptance stamp to the right of the SN. Nice rifles.

CD
 
Type 56
Op Rod SN, bolt mismatched but headspaced
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Return Rod SN, no other SNs found on gun
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Gas Block with folding bayonet
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Front sight base with enclosed front sight. Muzzle missing thread protector.
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IUHoosier429 said:
All jizz jokes aside, those are stunningly beautiful pieces of history. I can't imagine holding one in my hands, let alone knowing just one of the many, many stories those amalgams of wood and steel hold within. Seriously, thanks so much for sharing.

Will we be treated to any shooting videos, by chance?
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Chicom



Ammo used was Russian military and commercial


CD
 
These were captured Monday after a firefight that killed a friend of mine. CW4 (ret) Christian McCoy retired after 30 yrs of SF was a contractor here working counter IED.

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CD sorry for your loss.
RIP McCoy.
 
Combat Diver said:
That Polish Radom produced AKS has the Iraqi Army acceptance stamp to the right of the SN. Nice rifles.

CD
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CD: Thank you. Good call, I had missed that.
We had a couple dozen Iraqi Tabuk AK type weapons as well. As the FNG I did have anything to do with them and was not told anything about them. They were in the "back room" My boss asked me about them one day. Told me I could clean the up/inspect them and let him know if I thought we could use them. They were all like new just full of Iraqi dust! I was actually impressed with them, they all shot well and were fairly accurate for a combat type AK with short barrels. I thought I had some pictures of them...can't find them now!!

Combat Diver said:
That Polish Radom produced AKS has the Iraqi Army acceptance stamp to the right of the SN. Nice rifles.

CD
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pfcustom said:
CD: Thank you. Good call, I had missed that.
We had a couple dozen Iraqi Tabuk AK type weapons as well. As the FNG I did have anything to do with them and was not told anything about them. They were in the "back room" My boss asked me about them one day. Told me I could clean the up/inspect them and let him know if I thought we could use them. They were all like new just full of Iraqi dust! I was actually impressed with them, they all shot well and were fairly accurate for a combat type AK with short barrels. I thought I had some pictures of them...can't find them now!!
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The Tabuk is a very good robust AK. Iraq used Yugoslavian help setting up their plant and their pattern. Then there is also the Tabuk DMR with its adjustable rear sight for windage. I even mounted a PSO-1 scope on one.

Iraqi Tabuk AK
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Tabuk grenade sight
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Tabuk DMR without scope. Had this rifle above my desk in Iraq 05'
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Baghdad Iraq 08' DMR with PSO-1 scope and Hungarian Officers 20 rd mag.
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CD
 
Combat Diver said:
These were captured Monday after a firefight that killed a friend of mine. CW4 (ret) Christian McCoy retired after 30 yrs of SF was a contractor here working counter IED.

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CD: Sorry for your loss and Prayers for the Family. I had a Friend Killed while I was in Iraq...another contractor. Killed in a car wreck.
 
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Want to say FOB Falcon from Feb-Jun 08' there in Baghdad.

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Don’t remember Falcon. Where was it related to the old Palace-Embassy actoss from LZ Washington? I didn’t work at that Embassy was still at FOB Olympia them. We actually worked in the Arms room on the NEC from September until November or so before they started moving the other Embassy personnel from the old Palace to the NEC.
They, DOS had something like 100 cases of Remington 12 ga buckshot in the basement of the palace. One of the Embassy RSOs and I became Friends (he was a gun nut too) He asked me one day if we (Triple Canopy) could used the shot-shells? Triple Canopy had a dozen Rem 870s at the FOB. Not wanting to turn down Govt freebies I said yes. Spent about 3 hours on 31 DEC 08 dragging it up from the basement taking it to the FOB. DOS left the building a complete mess. Paper etc and a ton of computers and computer screens there. A lot of our people took them. I guess I should have grabbed one too, but!
Now and I’m sure you know the Embassy didn’t have any shotguns (that I knew of anyway)in Baghdad. I was the #2 armorer at the Embassy. Typical DOS deal.
The Iraqis took over the Palace the next day 1JAN09.
Did you get a chance to go in the palace?
 
Falcon was south of Dora Expressway off Hwy 8, south of the Green Zone. Also spent time at BIAP (Victory) and Radwaniyah Presidential Complex (RPC) southwest tip of BIAP. Then also couple years at Balad. Have been to the Embassy in the Green Zone many times. And speaking of shotguns, got some No. 4 buck yesterday from the Czechs here (S&B ammo).

CD
 
Combat Diver said:
Both battlefield pickups off the Taliban recently.

Soviet AK (1954) and Chinese Type 56. Don’t see many Chicom ones here with spike bayonets. Russian is better finished and all matching (receiver, bolt, bolt carrier, gas tube, return rod and receiver cover) and headspace on both are GTG. Both need correct grip and Chicom is missing butt plate, muzzle nut/brake and cleaning rod (receiver, bolt carrier and recoil rod matching). One will be put on the wall here and other goes back to the team that recovered her.

Both rifles
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Type 56 bayonet
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CD
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Chop that spiker off the end of the barrel and sen d it my way
 
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