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I am recalling stuff like this in Greece a couple of years ago, but for all the wrong reasons.
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And that is a huge multitude of people.............representing various age groups. This screams out the potential for sustained violence.
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Let's just hope and pray that we stay out of it and don't send any of our fine young people down there. Let the folks down there sort out their own problems. We got more than enough here to sort out.
Hasn't Venezuela pretty much played all their cards? They'll be looking for aid, but we still remember their nationalization of a decade ago so it'll be tough. Don't see us helping without serious reform, and don't see their people as being prepared to accept reform. I knew one upper class family in Venezuela, they were actually Italian and all decided to leave some time back; it's not like the writing wasn't on the wall.
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When that crowd decides to, those police officers don't have a chance, I don't care how many guns they have.
I saw something yesterday about people being too hungry to riot, when they get real hungry they will take over that place and it will get real nasty real fast.
I saw something yesterday about people being too hungry to riot, when they get real hungry they will take over that place and it will get real nasty real fast.
That's one of the things that I've pointed out about our situation here. There simply aren't enough police, aka enforcers, to quell the situation when the People decide to say NO because they're outnumbered thousands to one.
As far as getting nasty, one way the rural parts could shut it down and force change here would be to stop supplying food, willingly or otherwise, to the cities.
It's a theory that it doesn't work, not a fact. That there has been no evidence of success in, well ever, is simply a minor annoyance to proponents.
The only places it has worked have been in the Scandinavian countries which werent densely populated and had a very homogenous. The muzzie, er I mean refugee influx is going to kill it. Its no surprise they bypassed most of Europe and went to the nations with handouts. Its kind of funny now how our south of the border illegals have been trying to get into Canada because the US has been becoming too unwelcoming.
How many years did it take Marx's ideas to kill Venezuela? About 15 or so. Amazing. It is taking longer here, but don't forget that the Democrats have supoorted everything Chavez and Maduro have done. Including taking over the press.
Wonder if Penn or Glover are marching with the people doen there? Ignorant bastards.
Wonder if Penn or Glover are marching with the people doen there? Ignorant bastards.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5404713424001/?#sp=show-clips
Venezuela is showing why the 2nd Amendment is even more important than ever.
Maduro has given arms to 400,000+ supporters...he'll have his own private army if the country's military ever quits or attempts a coup.
Venezuela is showing why the 2nd Amendment is even more important than ever.
Maduro has given arms to 400,000+ supporters...he'll have his own private army if the country's military ever quits or attempts a coup.
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They said this week that Govco is arming the rioters. wth? I guess they are arming the pro-gov rioters. Don't think that will turn out well.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-supporters-after-confiscating-civilian-guns/
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Heard an interview on the radio with a guy that said the army has refused to go after the crowds of protesters, and that rumors are circulating that Maduro has sent his wife out of the country. It is going to get worse down there before it gets better. Coup or no coup.
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Remember...
We're not immune to this. Hyperinflation sets in and gas is $30/gal, bread is $20/loaf or a case of bottled water goes for $40, you'll see the same thing in our cities, in our streets, in our neighborhoods or even our front yards.
We're not immune to this. Hyperinflation sets in and gas is $30/gal, bread is $20/loaf or a case of bottled water goes for $40, you'll see the same thing in our cities, in our streets, in our neighborhoods or even our front yards.
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But in Venezuela only the government has the guns and he is arming 1 million loyalists to slaughter the resistance.
But first he will have to shut down communications in the country including internet. He can't aid to have live footage of the slaughter he had planned.
Maduro might also take money from Iran to let them put missiles in place.
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It has been said that come doomsday, if one person has guns and th other food, it won't be long before one of them has both.
I'll say it because I dont care - thats scary stuff.
Im thankful that Ive never had to experience anything like that, and pray that I never will.
As more protesters die in this (last I heard they were up to six or so), the crowd will get more and more hostile.
It'll get much worse before it gets better.
Im thankful that Ive never had to experience anything like that, and pray that I never will.
As more protesters die in this (last I heard they were up to six or so), the crowd will get more and more hostile.
It'll get much worse before it gets better.
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This is the sort of stuff that I teach the kids - socialism and communism doesnt work.
I get asked A LOT if I am communist because of the Russian/Soviet history stuff that I have. I am not. And while I love reading/researching on the USSR and Cold War, I desire nothing like that here in America or inmy life.
This stuff doesnt work. The instability it creates, the hostility it creates.
People dont have food, they get angry, they protest, people get hurt and die.
This is what happens.
My thoughts go out to all of those folks that are forced to live through this nonsense.
This is the sort of stuff that I teach the kids - socialism and communism doesnt work.
I get asked A LOT if I am communist because of the Russian/Soviet history stuff that I have. I am not. And while I love reading/researching on the USSR and Cold War, I desire nothing like that here in America or inmy life.
This stuff doesnt work. The instability it creates, the hostility it creates.
People dont have food, they get angry, they protest, people get hurt and die.
This is what happens.
My thoughts go out to all of those folks that are forced to live through this nonsense.
Unfortunately that's the only way it's going to get any better. Venezuela had the potential to be one of the richest countries in South America. They have oil, good farmland, all the resources they need. And in 15 years the socialists/communists have flushed it all down the crapper. Everyone down there knows what has happened, and you can only push the people just so far. You can't "reform" the mess they have created. The only option left now is violent revolution. Yeah, it's going to be real ugly before this gets fixed.
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To me this is a little bit concerning because of the radicalized left wing activism going on here today and I feel we may have dodged something similar by ousting the dems. Remember the Citizen Corps or whatever the name of the group was that was joking referred to as Obama's army.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/...nezuela-prop-up-unpopular-president.html?_r=0
Armed Civilian Bands in Venezuela Prop Up Unpopular President
CARACAS, Venezuela — The bikers thundered up in a phalanx of red jackets and dark clothes, some with faces covered, revving motorcycles before a thousand protesters in Caracas. They threw tear gas canisters to disperse the crowd. Then, witnesses say, they pulled pistols and fired.
Someone fell. Carlos Moreno, 17, lay sprawled on the ground, a pool of blood around his head.
“His brain matter was coming out,” recalled Carlos Julio Rojas, a community leader who witnessed the fatal shooting in Venezuela’s capital on Wednesday.
The uniformed men who shot Mr. Moreno were not government security forces, witnesses say. Rather, they were members of armed bands who have become key enforcers for President Nicolás Maduro as he attempts to crush a growing protest movement against his rule.
The groups, called collectives or colectivos in Spanish, originated as pro-government community organizations that have long been a part of the landscape of leftist Venezuelan politics. Civilians with police training, colectivo members are armed by the government, say experts who have studied them.
Colectivos control vast territory across Venezuela, financed in some cases by extortion, black-market food and parts of the drug trade as the government turns a blind eye in exchange for loyalty.
Now they appear to be playing a key role in repressing dissent.
Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Caracas and other cities demanding elections in Venezuela. Galvanized by a ruinous economy that has left basic foods and medicines scarce — as well as a botched attempt by leftists to dissolve the country’s congress last month — they present the largest threat to the country’s rulers since a coup that briefly ousted Mr. Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chávez, in 2002.
Mr. Maduro has responded by sending National Guardsmen armed with water cannons and rubber bullets to disperse the crowds. But alongside the security forces, experts and witnesses say, are the enforcers from the colectivos, who engage in fiercer and often deadly intimidation.
“These are the true paramilitary groups of Venezuela,” said Roberto Briceño-León, director of the Venezuelan Violence Observatory, a nonprofit group that tracks crime.
The presence of the colectivos hardly ends with demonstrations on the streets.
As rising foreign debt and falling world oil prices have depleted the Venezuelan government’s coffers, it has increasingly turned to colectivos as enforcers. From labor disputes with unions to student demonstrations on university campuses, colectivos are appearing almost anywhere the government sees citizens getting out of line, Venezuelans say.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/...nezuela-prop-up-unpopular-president.html?_r=0
Armed Civilian Bands in Venezuela Prop Up Unpopular President
CARACAS, Venezuela — The bikers thundered up in a phalanx of red jackets and dark clothes, some with faces covered, revving motorcycles before a thousand protesters in Caracas. They threw tear gas canisters to disperse the crowd. Then, witnesses say, they pulled pistols and fired.
Someone fell. Carlos Moreno, 17, lay sprawled on the ground, a pool of blood around his head.
“His brain matter was coming out,” recalled Carlos Julio Rojas, a community leader who witnessed the fatal shooting in Venezuela’s capital on Wednesday.
The uniformed men who shot Mr. Moreno were not government security forces, witnesses say. Rather, they were members of armed bands who have become key enforcers for President Nicolás Maduro as he attempts to crush a growing protest movement against his rule.
The groups, called collectives or colectivos in Spanish, originated as pro-government community organizations that have long been a part of the landscape of leftist Venezuelan politics. Civilians with police training, colectivo members are armed by the government, say experts who have studied them.
Colectivos control vast territory across Venezuela, financed in some cases by extortion, black-market food and parts of the drug trade as the government turns a blind eye in exchange for loyalty.
Now they appear to be playing a key role in repressing dissent.
Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets of Caracas and other cities demanding elections in Venezuela. Galvanized by a ruinous economy that has left basic foods and medicines scarce — as well as a botched attempt by leftists to dissolve the country’s congress last month — they present the largest threat to the country’s rulers since a coup that briefly ousted Mr. Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chávez, in 2002.
Mr. Maduro has responded by sending National Guardsmen armed with water cannons and rubber bullets to disperse the crowds. But alongside the security forces, experts and witnesses say, are the enforcers from the colectivos, who engage in fiercer and often deadly intimidation.
“These are the true paramilitary groups of Venezuela,” said Roberto Briceño-León, director of the Venezuelan Violence Observatory, a nonprofit group that tracks crime.
The presence of the colectivos hardly ends with demonstrations on the streets.
As rising foreign debt and falling world oil prices have depleted the Venezuelan government’s coffers, it has increasingly turned to colectivos as enforcers. From labor disputes with unions to student demonstrations on university campuses, colectivos are appearing almost anywhere the government sees citizens getting out of line, Venezuelans say.
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Fabulous resources, but problems going back far more than 15 years. Brother went to a wedding of a family friend there about 30 years ago and had to have armed private security the entire time. I'd be willing to bet on their eventual success, but the history of nationalizing foreign investment really ramps up the risk to anyone wanting to invest, it'll take a revolution and a new government. Problem is that it'll likely be controlled by Russia.
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They never learn! Always looking for the easy, free way out! This could be us in but a few years if the Dems had their way! And I'm not too sure about the GOP these days either!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-violence-idUSKBN17T0HG?il=0
"This is no peaceful protest..."
"This is no peaceful protest..."
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Holy shiite.
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