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T-Mobile plans on offering unlimited data internet at 50Mbps for $50/month. This doesn't mean much to those of you with fiber, living near the city, etc. but hopefully it is a great start for those of us in rural areas. It has limited availability right now but you can sign up for the wait list.

https://www.t-mobile.com/isp
 
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How is the T-Mobile coverage in your neck of the woods? I know when I lived there the big companies didn't have much coverage at all around there.

Does the local cell carrier still exist? Something that started with "C"? Back when you bought your cell phone from Radio Shack they were the only ones building towers all over the area.
 
T-Mobile plans on offering unlimited date internet at 50Mbps for $50/month. This doesn't mean much to those of you with fiber, living near the city, etc. but hopefully it is a great start for those of us in rural areas. It has limited availability right now but you can sign up for the wait list.

https://www.t-mobile.com/isp
50mbps would be incredible where I live.
 
T-mobile's mobile service sucks...... A good friend of mine signed up with them awhile back. They signed on via the promotion that they would pay you out of your current contract. After their previous service provider had sent them to collections, and T-Mobile was threatened with legal action, they finally held up their end of the deal.
Even when signal strength is good it continually drops calls. It has been a nightmare for them. I hope this internet service is awesome, and opens doors for people who have been without, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
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How is the T-Mobile coverage in your neck of the woods? I know when I lived there the big companies didn't have much coverage at all around there.

Does the local cell carrier still exist? Something that started with "C"? Back when you bought your cell phone from Radio Shack they were the only ones building towers all over the area.

Looking at the T-Mobile coverage map from the website it says coverage is "Fair." No local cell carrier now. US Cellular was the main one for years. My first cell phone was a US Cellular bag phone. It looked like I was calling in an air strike when I used it. US Cellular and Verizon are the main ones around here. AT&T has coverage as I am using a prepaid and postpaid hot spot pulling off a tower a little over 2 miles away. I get 2 bars (sometimes 3) from the hot spots. If I could get 50Mbps with T-Mobile I would cancel Centurystink (20Mbps) and the prepaid hot spot.
 
T-mobile's mobile service sucks...... A good friend of mine signed up with them awhile back. They signed on via the promotion that they would pay you out of your current contract. After their previous service provider had sent them to collections, and T-Mobile was threatened with legal action, they finally held up their end of the deal.
Even when signal strength is good it continually drops calls. It has been a nightmare for them. I hope this internet service is awesome, and opens doors for people who have been without, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I hope it finally gets the other carriers to offer something similar. AT&T in its infinite wisdom recently dropped the prepaid unlimited Ipad plan. It was $34.99/month with possible deprioritizing once 22GB was reached. Those who currently have it can continue it as long as it is not abused. From reports people using around 700GB or more a month have had their accounts cancelled. Speeds on both my prepaid and postpaid are great when connected to a wife mesh system. I don't know who is making the decisions at AT&T but they keep making bad business decisions IMO.
 
US Cellular was the main one for years.

That's what I was trying to remember! We had a US cellular phone in the 90s too.

Funny thing was, when my parents moved from Tarboro to Rolesville, the US Cellular phone didn't work at their new house. You could get signal absolutely everywhere in East NC, but somewhere around Nashville the just gave up.
 
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That's what I was trying to remember! We had a US cellular phone in the 90s too.

Funny thing was, when my parents moved from Tarboro to Rolesville, the US Cellular phone didn't work at their new house. You could get signal absolutely everywhere in East NC, but somewhere around Nashville the just gave up.

US Cellular started out as a regional carrier owned by telephone Co-ops. They gradually bought other local carriers and now their coverage isn’t too awful bad in the SE. they use many of the same technologies as Verizon (at least they did).


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T-mobile is merging.with Sprint so expect the coverage map to shrink and service to suffer more outages [emoji38]
 
Resurrecting this. Most of us will get a "Not available in your area yet" when we enter our info into TMobiles Home Internet web page. I did and others around me. Someone on the T Mobile Home Internet Facebook group posted a workaround to this. I did it Tuesday. Got my modem today. Have not had time to move it around the house to find the best location (letting the battery charge). But using the app on my phone it shows 2 bars (weak reception) in its current spot and it is averaging 16-19Mbps down around 3 up. Nothing fancy for most of you. But for people who have nothing or 10 or less it helps. Once the battery is charged I'll move it around to see if the speed gets better.
The workaround"
1. Go to the T Mobile website to check for availability here: https://www.t-mobile.com/isp/eligibility
2. For the telephone number on the first page enter: 999-999-9999. Use your CORRECT address. Hit Enter/Next or whatever the button says.
3. The next screen should say "Congratulations you qualify." On this screen you will enter in your CORRECT phone number (and correct address again).
4. Once you click submit (or whatever the button says) the next screen will say something like "Hold On. We're checking on things on our end. We will be in contact with you."
5. Instead of waiting I contacted T Mobile at 1-800-TMobile and told them I qualified and would like to get signed up today to have the router sent to me. You will be asked "Do you currently have T Mobile etc" I play along and say No but if this works I will consider switching Make sure to let them know you want to sign up for T Mobile Home Internet and it said you qualified. After a few minutes they will transfer you to that department to get an account set up. You will give the the CORRECT phone number you entered in step 3 when they ask. They run a credit check. $20 activation fee was waived for me. A friend had to call back twice to get set up. He said the first time the guy told him it would be up to 30 days before they contact him. Don't wait for them to contact you. Once you complete the above steps go ahead and call at 1-800-TMobile (unless it is after hours). Don't wait for them to contact you. Two friends also did this and have modems on the way,
 

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This is not a hot spot that you will be able to move around (except for in your house). For now T Mobile is not inforcing this but may in the future. Only thing I don't like about the modem is that it has no external ports to connect antennas to,
 
I use Pageplus cellular $55 unlimited plan by activating the sim with an older unlocked phone and then installing it in an older hotspot. They tend to start throttling data after about 200GB but it's thru Verizon towers so its fast.
 
T Mobile is deploying a nationwide 5G network in a 600mhz band to meet obligations to the FTC and DOJ made to get the Sprint acquisition approved. All sounds good except that aggregate capacity in the 600mhz spectrum is limited. You may get 50mbps, and when your neighbor signs up you may both get 50mbps, but when your 10th neighbor (think 10-15 mi radius) signs up you’ll be getting less bandwidth because of cogestion (oversubscription) at the access point.

Meanwhile ATt and VZ are building in mm spectrum which has tons of aggregate capacity, but lacks the power to travel more than a few hundred meters and is effectively blocked by your hand. There are (kinda) solutions for urban areas where they are concentrating their effort.

And the FCC is getting ready auction off more 3.5ghz spectrum, this stuff seems to be the right balance of power and capacity to serve rural areas.

I think Elon Musk is mostly full of crap, but I believe that Amazon might actually deliver a low earth orbit (LEO) satellite solution for rural areas within a decade. Amazon could certainly use such a network for tons of internal applications today, and their use of data continues to grow. Revenue from rural broadband would just be icing on the cake for them.
 
So they waived the $20 activation- but what are the other costs?
$50/month no contract. Cancel any time. If you cancel you have to send the equipment back or they charge you $210 for the modem. The do a credit check as well.
 
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I use Pageplus cellular $55 unlimited plan by activating the sim with an older unlocked phone and then installing it in an older hotspot. They tend to start throttling data after about 200GB but it's thru Verizon towers so its fast.
Yesterday I set up Visible (owned by Verizon) in a Nighthawk MR1100 for my mom. The Nighthawk thinks it's a Iphone 8. Visible is $40/month with unlimited hotspot. It also has Party Pay for up to 4 lines. Add a second line it's $35/each line. 3rd line it's $30/each line. 4th line is $25/each line. The only thing about Visible is they will throttle you down to 5Mbps for streaming unless you set up a router that you can adjust the TTL (Open WRT?) then it's not throttled. Just with the Nighhawk she was getting 61Mbps down.

 
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T Mobile is deploying a nationwide 5G network in a 600mhz band to meet obligations to the FTC and DOJ made to get the Sprint acquisition approved. All sounds good except that aggregate capacity in the 600mhz spectrum is limited. You may get 50mbps, and when your neighbor signs up you may both get 50mbps, but when your 10th neighbor (think 10-15 mi radius) signs up you’ll be getting less bandwidth because of cogestion (oversubscription) at the access point.

Meanwhile ATt and VZ are building in mm spectrum which has tons of aggregate capacity, but lacks the power to travel more than a few hundred meters and is effectively blocked by your hand. There are (kinda) solutions for urban areas where they are concentrating their effort.

And the FCC is getting ready auction off more 3.5ghz spectrum, this stuff seems to be the right balance of power and capacity to serve rural areas.

I think Elon Musk is mostly full of crap, but I believe that Amazon might actually deliver a low earth orbit (LEO) satellite solution for rural areas within a decade. Amazon could certainly use such a network for tons of internal applications today, and their use of data continues to grow. Revenue from rural broadband would just be icing on the cake for them.

AT&T would be beneficial for a lot of rural people. However they have a tendency to run everything they touch into the ground. Sub par plans with the highest prices in the business. At least T Mobile (IMO) is trying to think outside the box and is being aggressive. Look at T Mobiles $50/month unlimited home internet and compare it to ANYTHING AT&T has to offer excluding the $20/month postpaid Ipad plan. That goes for Verizon as well. The bigger companies could be in the game but would rather sell you 50GB/month for $80. I actually think Elon Musk and Starlink will have a lot of rural customers. Those who have no alternatives or are getting 20Mbps or less for CenturyStink and the like.
 
AT&T would be beneficial for a lot of rural people. However they have a tendency to run everything they touch into the ground. Sub par plans with the highest prices in the business. At least T Mobile (IMO) is trying to think outside the box and is being aggressive. Look at T Mobiles $50/month unlimited home internet and compare it to ANYTHING AT&T has to offer excluding the $20/month postpaid Ipad plan. That goes for Verizon as well. The bigger companies could be in the game but would rather sell you 50GB/month for $80. I actually think Elon Musk and Starlink will have a lot of rural customers. Those who have no alternatives or are getting 20Mbps or less for CenturyStink and the like.
There is a reason that ATT has fallen from the top position to third in the wireless business.
T-Mo talks a good game about rural, and they will meet their obligations by deploying 5G in 600mhz, but I think their plan is to dominate in the second and third tier cities while ATT and VZ put their energy into the NFL cities. Just a guess, but if they come out with american values advertising we’ll know.
 
Sounds to me like these wireless companies are STILL trying to play the game of collecting all the subsidies and what not they can on the promise to bring real data capacity to rural areas while actually not doing it. :mad:
 
Sounds to me like these wireless companies are STILL trying to play the game of collecting all the subsidies and what not they can on the promise to bring real data capacity to rural areas while actually not doing it. :mad:
They are motivated to wait on rural areas, the FCC has said that they will be giving these guys $9B to expand into unserved rural areas, so I think they aren’t building until they get that money.
 
I think Elon Musk is mostly full of crap, but I believe that Amazon might actually deliver a low earth orbit (LEO) satellite solution for rural areas within a decade. Amazon could certainly use such a network for tons of internal applications today, and their use of data continues to grow. Revenue from rural broadband would just be icing on the cake for them.
Why down on Starlink? It is working in private beta and going to public beta in weeks. They are launching 60 satellites every other week and have been for a while and are over 800 already in orbit.

I hope I have a better alternative for rural broadband than to give Bezos more money.
 
I’ve got two DIY fixed wireless setups using MOFI 4500 and T-Mobile towers. Right now I’m getting 15-30 Mbps on both of them. My only other option locally was AT&T DSL which pegged at 4 on great days. We’re happy with the speed boost. 50+ would be neat to have.

I had no clue TMo was even available in our area. Only Verizon cells work at my house. It is a dead zone for everything else. I had to go external on the antennae but it works well.

CHRIS
 
Why down on Starlink? It is working in private beta and going to public beta in weeks. They are launching 60 satellites every other week and have been for a while and are over 800 already in orbit.

I hope I have a better alternative for rural broadband than to give Bezos more money.
I don’t think he has an anchor tenant and there is no business case based on rural consumer broadband. He’s trying to mitigate this by bidding for RDOF funds from the FCC (they are offering about $2B per year) but it’s unlikely that he’ll win much of that, especially if Amazon is bidding as well (I don’t know if they are)
I believe that the design calls for almost 20k satellites and that they have a life of no more than 5 years, so replacement rate will require launching 80 per week. This is just physics, they are boxes pushing through the upper atmosphere at about 27,000 mph, they wear out fast.
I believe the successful results of the private beta are as reliable as the indestructible windows in his electric truck. The public beta will hopefully be more transparent, we’ll see.
 
I'm on sprint south of fayetteville and most days we can't get any signal, much less a good one. I made a stink and they recently switched me over to the t-mo towers. no improvement.
sigh.
 
I'm on sprint south of fayetteville and most days we can't get any signal, much less a good one. I made a stink and they recently switched me over to the t-mo towers. no improvement.
We had T-Mo for many years. Started it when I was working in Richmond, VA and spending most of my time there. We switched to Verizon after we bought some rural property and my wife couldn't get any signal out at her shop there. The alarm system(s) use ATT service and the installer had to hunt around to find a place in the building where he could get a signal for it. Oddly enough, I get almost no V signal in our house in the middle of High Point. There are times I've had to go out on the back deck to get 1 bar to make a call. There are places along my route to work that I don't get V signal either. I typically use a program called Echolink to connect to one of the ham radio repeaters in Greensboro a number of us have been talking on for years. I can just about tell you the spots where I will lose the signal.

Rural areas are really getting the shaft when it comes to connectivity. There just isn't enough density to achieve the short term ROI that businesses want these days. That's the thing, though, is those who move to rural areas often do so to get away from such density.
 
I don’t think he has an anchor tenant and there is no business case based on rural consumer broadband. He’s trying to mitigate this by bidding for RDOF funds from the FCC (they are offering about $2B per year) but it’s unlikely that he’ll win much of that, especially if Amazon is bidding as well (I don’t know if they are)
I believe that the design calls for almost 20k satellites and that they have a life of no more than 5 years, so replacement rate will require launching 80 per week. This is just physics, they are boxes pushing through the upper atmosphere at about 27,000 mph, they wear out fast.
I believe the successful results of the private beta are as reliable as the indestructible windows in his electric truck. The public beta will hopefully be more transparent, we’ll see.

Not arguing, just trying to understand.

What is an “anchor tenant” for an ISP?

The latency through vacuum of satellites messaging around the is actually lower/better than through undersea fiber optic cables. I bet he can charge financial companies extra for priority traffic.

I think he estimated the market at $9B revenue per year, far more than the cost of building and maintaining the infra. Also far larger than the entire launch market SpaceX can address. He is looking for cash flow (or IPO capital from Starlink) to support the Starship Mars plans.
 
I’ve got two DIY fixed wireless setups using MOFI 4500 and T-Mobile towers. Right now I’m getting 15-30 Mbps on both of them. My only other option locally was AT&T DSL which pegged at 4 on great days. We’re happy with the speed boost. 50+ would be neat to have.

I had no clue TMo was even available in our area. Only Verizon cells work at my house. It is a dead zone for everything else. I had to go external on the antennae but it works well.

CHRIS

From what I read on Facebook groups a lot of people like the Mofi 4500. More expensive but easier to use for beginners.

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I've got a new Samsung phone with 5G connection to Tmobile in SE Charlotte. A speed test on 5G just a minute ago nets 1 down and half that up. Switch over to the LTE network and get 17 down 9 up. 5G ain't ready for primetime.
I've been with Tmobile for 19 years. I remember when service outside of the city and burbs (Chicagoland) was insanely bad. Even in the city you'd lose a call under a bridge or in a building. That all changed when the deal for ATT to take over Tmobile fell apart. They were able to let us roam on ATT towers and it really solved issues for urban Tmobile customers. The LTE rollout helped even more. 5G stands to be another improvement further out into the sticks and hills, but at this point it's obviously not there. Don't get sucked into the marketing that makes you believe you need a 5G phone. Give it maybe two years to mature.
 
A friend got his T Mobile Modem today and set it up. He is 4 miles from me. Here is what he sent me.

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Not arguing, just trying to understand.

What is an “anchor tenant” for an ISP?

The latency through vacuum of satellites messaging around the is actually lower/better than through undersea fiber optic cables. I bet he can charge financial companies extra for priority traffic.

I think he estimated the market at $9B revenue per year, far more than the cost of building and maintaining the infra. Also far larger than the entire launch market SpaceX can address. He is looking for cash flow (or IPO capital from Starlink) to support the Starship Mars plans.
An anchor tenant for this kind of venture might be someone with a very large vehicle fleet that they want to track in rural areas, maybe delivery trucks or drones. Could be someone like John Deere for implementation of precision agriculture. Could be the US government, or a foreign government, to provide tracking of various assets. Something that gets the network to break even. I mentioned RDOF subsidies, if they could get $1B from that each year for ten years it’s surely help. The auction is in October and we’ll know in November.

These satellites operate in a relative vacuum. There is far less air up where they operate than at sea level, but there is far more air than up where geosynchronous satellites operate. It is the friction with that air that causes them to degrade so quickly.

These satellites communicate with each other, with end users and with earth stations. Even if the transmission speeds between satellites was significantly faster due to the relative air density (I don’t think it is, @RFMan could tell us) the communication with ground still goes through the full atmosphere, so any advantage would be lost. In any event, the latency on a fiber network will be at least an order of magnitude faster than the latency on a LEO satellite network. There are subsea fibers being laid specifically to facilitate growth in high speed trading, that business isn’t going to switch over to satellite.

The market size estimate is tough to discuss without knowing the assumptions. I don’t expect the billions of people currently living subsistence lives in China, India, Pakistan, etc to ever come up the economic curve. The time for that has passed as automation will become a less expensive solution than hiring, training and retaining workers for a great many low and semi skilled jobs over the next 20 years. In the US where Amazon might use it’s own LEO network for logistics, were it to buy network capacity for this it would surely buy lower cost network capacity from a 5G provider in every urban area and use the satellites only in rural areas. It’s hard to predict what Amazon will do, it is developing both terrestrial and satellite solutions, but other trucking, transport and delivery companies will not have the option to deploy their own networks so may build a patchwork solution from both terrestrial and satellite providers, squeeze a satellite provider to match urban pricing, or outsource the whole thing to the provider who will be managing the largest delivery network in the world...Amazon.

Musk is no dummy, but what he does best, by far, is separate investors from their money. Yes, I’m jealous!
 
An anchor tenant for this kind of venture might be someone with a very large vehicle fleet that they want to track in rural areas, maybe delivery trucks or drones. Could be someone like John Deere for implementation of precision agriculture. Could be the US government, or a foreign government, to provide tracking of various assets. Something that gets the network to break even. I mentioned RDOF subsidies, if they could get $1B from that each year for ten years it’s surely help. The auction is in October and we’ll know in November.

These satellites operate in a relative vacuum. There is far less air up where they operate than at sea level, but there is far more air than up where geosynchronous satellites operate. It is the friction with that air that causes them to degrade so quickly.

These satellites communicate with each other, with end users and with earth stations. Even if the transmission speeds between satellites was significantly faster due to the relative air density (I don’t think it is, @RFMan could tell us) the communication with ground still goes through the full atmosphere, so any advantage would be lost. In any event, the latency on a fiber network will be at least an order of magnitude faster than the latency on a LEO satellite network. There are subsea fibers being laid specifically to facilitate growth in high speed trading, that business isn’t going to switch over to satellite.

The market size estimate is tough to discuss without knowing the assumptions. I don’t expect the billions of people currently living subsistence lives in China, India, Pakistan, etc to ever come up the economic curve. The time for that has passed as automation will become a less expensive solution than hiring, training and retaining workers for a great many low and semi skilled jobs over the next 20 years. In the US where Amazon might use it’s own LEO network for logistics, were it to buy network capacity for this it would surely buy lower cost network capacity from a 5G provider in every urban area and use the satellites only in rural areas. It’s hard to predict what Amazon will do, it is developing both terrestrial and satellite solutions, but other trucking, transport and delivery companies will not have the option to deploy their own networks so may build a patchwork solution from both terrestrial and satellite providers, squeeze a satellite provider to match urban pricing, or outsource the whole thing to the provider who will be managing the largest delivery network in the world...Amazon.

Musk is no dummy, but what he does best, by far, is separate investors from their money. Yes, I’m jealous!
The propagation speed through vacuum is fastest. Air does slow it down, but only about 0.003% (air is a dielectric, with relative permittivity of about 1.0006). But the real different in legacy is due to a couple of factors. First, whether coax cable, twisted pair, or optical fiber, signals have a slower propagation velocity on those media, since they are propagating through a dielectric with a higher relative permittivity. Second, the switching/access equipment at the end points often (but not always; details matter) has more latency (in the electronics) than the satcom endpoints.
 
The propagation speed through vacuum is fastest. Air does slow it down, but only about 0.003% (air is a dielectric, with relative permittivity of about 1.0006). But the real different in legacy is due to a couple of factors. First, whether coax cable, twisted pair, or optical fiber, signals have a slower propagation velocity on those media, since they are propagating through a dielectric with a higher relative permittivity. Second, the switching/access equipment at the end points often (but not always; details matter) has more latency (in the electronics) than the satcom endpoints.

My experience is that the satcom endpoints don’t process data any faster than fiber endpoints. Maybe they do, we just don’t see it. I’ve always figured that the processing speed is independant of the transport network so if the sat guys had something better the fiber guys would just adopt it.

Obviously I agree that transmission through vacuum is faster than through a medium, but isn’t comparing the speed of RF transport to the speed of optical transport apples and oranges? Light through vacuum is faster than light through glass, but light through glass is faster than RF through vacuum, right?
 
My experience is that the satcom endpoints don’t process data any faster than fiber endpoints. Maybe they do, we just don’t see it. I’ve always figured that the processing speed is independant of the transport network so if the sat guys had something better the fiber guys would just adopt it.

Obviously I agree that transmission through vacuum is faster than through a medium, but isn’t comparing the speed of RF transport to the speed of optical transport apples and oranges? Light through vacuum is faster than light through glass, but light through glass is faster than RF through vacuum, right?
Like I said, details matter. Depends on the standard, the hardware, and the requirements of what those endpoints are. I've seen fast and slow in both fiber and satcom (I used to design fiber optic transceivers at 2.4 and 10 Gbps). Light through glass is SLOWER than RF through vacuum. Apologies to quantum mechanics, but we'll operate in the wave domain for a moment: light and RF both propagate at c in a vacuum. Satcom is RF through air/vacuum (essentially the same); fiber optic is light through glass (take fused silica, maybe doped a bit, dielectric constant about 3.8). Therefore an optical link (through fiber) is about half the speed of a satcom RF link (through space/air). Apples and oranges related by square root of dielectric constant :D
 
I've got a new Samsung phone with 5G connection to Tmobile in SE Charlotte. A speed test on 5G just a minute ago nets 1 down and half that up. Switch over to the LTE network and get 17 down 9 up. 5G ain't ready for primetime.
I've been with Tmobile for 19 years. I remember when service outside of the city and burbs (Chicagoland) was insanely bad. Even in the city you'd lose a call under a bridge or in a building. That all changed when the deal for ATT to take over Tmobile fell apart. They were able to let us roam on ATT towers and it really solved issues for urban Tmobile customers. The LTE rollout helped even more. 5G stands to be another improvement further out into the sticks and hills, but at this point it's obviously not there. Don't get sucked into the marketing that makes you believe you need a 5G phone. Give it maybe two years to mature.
Thats weird. I'm just west of Charlotte. On a note 20 ultra 5g here i consistently get 55 down and 38 up
 
Thats weird. I'm just west of Charlotte. On a note 20 ultra 5g here i consistently get 55 down and 38 up
That's encouraging. I wonder if my tower is crowded with traffic.

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Possibly. What phone? The security patch i downloaded 3 days ago sped it up by 10/5
S20

I just ran a new test and posted above. Things are looking a little better at this minute.
 
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