I’m not sure Harley will go under. They have a new ceo that hopefully will straighten things out like Willie G did years ago. They are crazy expensive and have scrapped by on past success for a long time but people still love the brand. I think they will be fine for years to come.
The Demise of Harley Davidson
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Skills and experience and confidence can in fact save you from others. To think otherwise is dumb.
Never met an experienced rider who was "so arrogant" that they believe their skills and experience can save you ALL situations. Ever.
It's retarded. The dreaded left turner, for example, is well known and well understood to be the likely the most dangerous thing to a rider on the road. It's most dangerous to an inexperienced and over-confident one.
It's newbs who don't know what they don't know, and non-riders explaining this to experienced riders who are arrogant.
Again, we don't need you to tell us this. We already understand this better than you do. To think otherwise and fail to understand this is truly "arrogant".
Ford and such do the same stuff all the time. (ie: Ford stopped the Focus, Fiesta, and something else and replacing with one vehicle)
Im not in manufacturing, but if they can consolidate maybe it saves them money
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I do understand, and I have no right to lecture anyone on how dangerous motorcycle riding is. You already know and understand that motorcycle fatalities are about 6 times the rate per 100,000 registered vehicles and 27 times the rate per 100 million miles traveled vs. passenger cars. Carry on, and be safe.
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I thought I wanted one of these a few years ago, till I realized it weighed 200 lbs more than my HD, and that over 30 years I’ve lost most the upper body strength I had when I owned an HD.
Talk about a pig.
Talk about a pig.
When I bought my Super Glide, I had originally wanted another bagger. Then I remembered how jacked up my back is & decided I didn't need to be wrasslin' a 900lb bike in a parking lot or garage. The 'Glide is still a pig at 700ish pounds, but is narrower than the baggers & sits nice & low, so the weight is much easier to deal with.
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How much does it weigh? My buddies CVO Road Glide is just over 1k lbs! My ST is just over 700. You have to be careful at parking lot speeds because it's kind of top heavy but the weight goes away once you get going.I thought I wanted one of these a few years ago, till I realized it weighed 200 lbs more than my HD, and that over 30 years I’ve lost most the upper body strength I had when I owned an HD.
Talk about a pig.
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800lbs. To me it’s the parking lot speeds I don’t want to deal with.
My old man bought a Kawa triple from me when I went off to school. It was not very heavy. He lost his balance on it just sitting in the car port 25 years later, couldn’t catch it, and busted his head open.
Honestly, weight means little to me except on the drag bike.
Apart from low-speed riding in a parking lot etc, the weight has little feel to me.
My father's 07 EG was heavy as heck as far as curb weight went, but handled quite well on curvy roads. His next, 09 or 10, if I remember right, didnt feel quite the same. They changed something over those couple years and the bike didnt feel as nimble.
But yes. not moving, once they start you better catch them soon or just step away, as even a 400lb sportbike is going to hurt your back if you try to save it once it gets to a certain point
Apart from low-speed riding in a parking lot etc, the weight has little feel to me.
My father's 07 EG was heavy as heck as far as curb weight went, but handled quite well on curvy roads. His next, 09 or 10, if I remember right, didnt feel quite the same. They changed something over those couple years and the bike didnt feel as nimble.
But yes. not moving, once they start you better catch them soon or just step away, as even a 400lb sportbike is going to hurt your back if you try to save it once it gets to a certain point
No, I understand you don't know anything yourself and just quickly googled this.
And, if I wanted to be "safe", I wouldn't ride a motorcycle.
Or shoot guns every weekend, even though every person I meet who is ignorant about guns and doesn't own or shoot guns, wants to educate me on how dangerous they are.
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The only reason Harley is still in business is because they're a t-shirt company that makes bikes on the side. Last I heard, Harley stopped competing in racing against other brands back in the 50's and 60's because their antiquated design just wasn't competitive. I've heard many horror stories about how staff at HD dealerships talk down to people riding other brands. Its been my observation of the HD bikers in my family that HD is less about riding, and more about being seen on an HD.
The image/lifestyle associated with HD is all that keeps them in business. They charge 2x the price for a bike that hasn't evolved much beyond 1940's tech. Nothing wrong with classic bikes, but it would do HD a lot of good to try to modernize their product line, and build bikes that appeal to folks who don't already have their AARP cards.
The image/lifestyle associated with HD is all that keeps them in business. They charge 2x the price for a bike that hasn't evolved much beyond 1940's tech. Nothing wrong with classic bikes, but it would do HD a lot of good to try to modernize their product line, and build bikes that appeal to folks who don't already have their AARP cards.
Yer not wrong. Bad thing is, anytime they do something cool, like Buells or the V-Rod, they manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Dealers didn't know/care what to do with Buells, let alone their target audience. The "faithful" snubbed the V-Rod & again, Harley didn't know how to cater to/reach the people who might dig that kinda bike. You should hear the howling about the M8 & the new frames & oil cooling, etc. Just like they bitched about the Evo, then the Twin Cam.
The whole sidewalk commando, weekend warrior, dressing like a pirate schtick doesn't do 'em any favors, either & what's funny is that the MoCo never liked their association with "bikers", until they realized they could pitch a "lifestyle" to sell motorcycles.
Again, HD is their own worst enemy.
I will admit, as a former HD owner but never a fervent member of the orange faith, I have a sick desire to pick up one of the newish rubber mount XL1200s and hang a Ural tub off the side of it.
A heavy steel tub, belt drive, hydraulic valves, and disc brakes sounds like a really fun and low maintenance rig.
A heavy steel tub, belt drive, hydraulic valves, and disc brakes sounds like a really fun and low maintenance rig.