Threaded 357 lever gun

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  1. BigWaylon

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    Comment in another thread got me thinking about buying one. First two I thought if were the Henry Big Boy X and the Rossi R92.

    I saw in another thread mention of tube vs side load. The Henry says:

    Keeping true to their roots, the Big Boy X Model utilizes a 7-round removable tube magazine for convenient unloading, and the addition of a side loading gate allows that magazine to be kept topped off without needing to remove the tube or suppressor.

    I’d possibly just dedicate a silencer to this and not want to remove it to load/reload. Is that possible with the Henry? Meaning I can always side load instead of just topping off?

    Is the Rossi side load? Other side load (or other method where I wouldn’t have to remove the can) options on the market? I’m liking the black coloring on the two I mentioned...but that’s not a deal breaker.

    Can you shoot 38 in all 357 lever guns?
     
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    The Rossi has a loading gate.

    in theory you can shoot 38’s, but reality is sometimes a little different, for whatever reason sometimes some rounds don’t cycle as well as others. I haven’t had a problem with standard length 38 or 357 rounds i. Either the rossi or a couple marlins, so this could just be internet noise.
     
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    Some 357s wont feed the 38s correctly But you can load 357s to 38 load days
     
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    Found the manual. I see what you’re talking about...so at least now I know what to look for if the description isn’t clear. :D
     
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    Rossi is side loading. More or less Built off the Winchester 92 design which seems to be the most reliable for running shorter cartridges. I'm a huge fan of them, and the action is strong enough to run 454 casull or 480 riger without issue. They just came out with their own threaded series (triple black maybe?) But there are a few guys nationwide that specialize in cutting these up for suppressors (averages 200 dollars ish ) so finding used ones can be easier. The action is open top so harder to put an optic on

    Until last year Henry never did a side loader. But yeah you can treat them like any other side loader out there, and just ignore the tube. Have handled their new lineup, and it is a solid build for sure. Henry reccomend 158 grain 38s for reliability, and I have seen that play out as mostly true in the sense that if one isn't feeding lighter and shorter rounds the 158s work fine. They are easy for optics and have lots of accessories too.

    Henry is a decent brand overall, but personally I tend to think of them as the Kimber of lever actions. That that for what you will

    know it isn't on your list, but the latest marlin options are also nice, its their dark series. Buddy has a 3030 shoots like a dream, sold several of the 357s and people have loved them, but they seem to like shorter cases the least.

    Unless you handload 357s are almost always supersonic.

    Pricewise Rossi is the cheapest, with Henry then marlin. Henry has been the easiest to get recently , but it was marlin before that. Haven't seen any of the Rossi yet.
     
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    All this talk is making me want to turn mine into a suppressed 45colt blooper.

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    I bought the hybrid 46 with full intentions of getting a 454 casull lever action as a host to run that and 45 colt
     
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    I need to finish my other 2 projects first, then maybe a form 1 suppressor.

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    Triple Black is the one I was looking at. Didn’t think it would be an issue putting an optic on it (probably a red dot) with the rail already there?

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    I’m open to any brand. As long as it comes threaded and I can load it with the silencer installed. Any specific Marlin you’re talking about?
     
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    I have a 16.5" .41 Mag Henry that I love & I wouldn't feel cheated if I had my bud's .45-70 Henry instead of my JM Guide Gun. I've not ever heard of 'em being picky eaters.

    Can't really go wrong with any of the 3, though I lean toward the Henry or the Marlin. Don't discount the Henry- they make a very nice gun & word is their customer service is top notch.
     
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    Yeah red dot is easy. Forgot the triple black came with forward rails.

    Marlin has the dark series. Comes in 357, 44mag, 3030 and 4570. Hornady makes a subsonic 3030 now too. Basically 300blk lever action .
     
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    Lever guns in general like particular overall lengths. Those calibers you would likely never notice unless you found some full on wadcutters. It's also kinda a platform thing across all brands to some degree, but there are lots of variables that may make one setup better in one circumstance versus another.
     
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    They (Henry) turned around my shotgun (part of the trigger recall/upgrade) in 12 days inclusive: twelve days from day UPS picked up to the day UPS delivered (just over the past two weeks, so in the midst of the Covid craziness).
     
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    My Rossi 357 feeds rounds without issue unless the 357 round is very long (Barnes specifically) or straight up 38 full wadcutters (which you probably expected).

    Of course, many IMI Timberwolfs come already threaded and have a rail built in.
     
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    My .41 feeds, runs & shoots well with both standard length 215gr lswc, factory 175 & 210gr sjhp & my Blackhawk cylinder filling 240gr lswc loads.

    None of 'em are likely to choke on .38/.357 as long as you avoid the extremes of both.

    My old .357 Rossi 92 wasn't finicky, either. Shot well, but I just didn't care for the platform. I just prefer the Marlin/Henry designs.
     
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    My Rossi 357 won't feed the 110gr RNFP in 38spl brass. 130gr RN are fine.
     
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    My Rossi 357 stainless threaded.
     
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    Who did the threading for you?

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    Ok, so I’m down to these three. All of them (as far as I can tell) meet these criteria:

    1. black
    2. threaded
    3. will allow me to load with silencer attached

    None in stock at the moment. Any of them have major pros/cons I need to know about? I do like the rail on the Rossi and Marlin. I think I like the look of the Marlin better, and of course it’s several hundred dollars more.

    Thoughts and opinions?

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    Of those 3.............................................................Marlin.
     
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    My vote'd be for the Henry. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
     
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    You (or anybody else) happen to know of any other options that meet my list of “wants”?
     
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    I'll get in first with ...

    buy all three!!!:cool:


    But, yeah, the Henry.
     
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    Not that meet your list. The "can" ability is the decider.
     
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    The Rossi can be made buttery smooth with an hour of work. Probably lighter weight. That lever sucks (IMO), but can be replaced.
    The Henry will come buttery smooth. Probably the heaviest of the bunch.
    The Marlin/Remlin may be perfect and buttery smooth or may be an absolutely wretched POS.

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    If you can put one in hands before committing i would say marlin, you can do a decent smoothing of the action with grease in the right spots too.

    Otherwise the Rossi.
     
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    Rossi came back in stock today, at least at one place I’d signed up for notifications.

    But, I don’t think I want top eject...and isn’t that what the R92 is?

    I think the Marlin is where I’m leaning, but somebody is keeping an eye out for me for the Henry at a gun show this weekend. :cool:
     
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    My R92 iron sights are tall enough to see over my mystic and QMF2.
    I prefer the winny 92 action.
    Lighter, sleeker and more cowboy.
     
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    Yep top eject.
     
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    No problems whatsoever with my three Rossi’s.
    All 20”.
     
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    I’m still torn between the Marlin dark 1894 in .357 and .30-30

    I have .357 mags and another .30-30 so all my loads would be compatible in other guns

    I handload

    I have 9mm and .30 cal suppressors

    Correct answer? Both!

    but which one first lol
     
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    Definitely the 357, because 38spl can be loaded Uber cheap and it's sub by default.
    Subsonic 30-30 is tricky and basically 30-30 sucks to load for. My least favorite round.
     
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    I have both Rossi and Marlins in pistol calibers. I feel like both are similar regarding accuracy.

    My Rossi 357 has had feeding issues before when using very short 38 Special handloaded ammo (wadcutters, etc). With JHP, SP, FMJ and SWC loaded to factory length, I've had no feeding issues at all.

    If I was going to do a suppressed pistol caliber lever action, I think I'd try out the Rossi. I like the fast, smooth action it has, and the top eject makes it easy to feed one round at a time when you want to.
     
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    The Henry just came back in stock. $736.99 w/ free shipping. Hmmmm....
     
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