Three major discoveries during the last century that point to a Creator

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I found this interesting, are there any holes in his case?
This week, traditional Jews and Christians celebrate special acts of God in human history. Yet, polling data now show that an increasing number of young people, including those from religious homes, doubt even the existence of God.

Moreover, polls probing such young “religiously unaffiliated agnostics and atheists” have found that science — or at least the claims of putative spokesmen for science — have played an outsized sole in cementing disaffection with religious belief. In one, more than two-thirds of self-described atheists, and one-third of agnostics, affirm “the findings of science make the existence of God less probable.”
It’s not hard to see how many people might have acquired this impression. Since 2006 popular “new atheist” writers — Richard Dawkins, Victor Stenger, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Stephen Hawking, Bill Nye, and Lawrence Krauss — have published a series of best-selling books arguing that science renders religious belief implausible. According to Dawkins and others, Darwinian evolution, in particular, establishes that “The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose … nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.”

But does science actually support this strictly materialistic vision of reality? In fact, three major scientific discoveries during the last century contradict the expectations of scientific atheists (or materialists) and point instead in a distinctly theistic direction.

First, cosmologists have discovered that the physical universe likely had a beginning, contrary to the expectations of scientific materialists who had long portrayed the material universe as eternal and self-existent (and, therefore, in no need of an external creator).

The first evidence of a cosmic beginning came in the 1920s when astronomers discovered that light coming from distant galaxies was being stretched out or “red-shifted” as if the galaxies were moving away from us. Soon after, Belgian priest and physicist Georges Lemaître and Caltech astronomer Edwin Hubble independently showed that galaxies farther away from Earth were receding faster than those close at hand. That suggested a spherical expansion of the universe (and space) like a balloon inflating from a singular explosive beginning — from a “big bang.”
Lemaître also showed that Einstein’s equations describing gravity most naturally implied a dynamic, evolving universe, despite Einstein’s initial attempt to gerrymander his own equations to depict the universe as eternally existing and static — i.e., neither contracting nor expanding. In 1931, Einstein visited Hubble at the Mt. Wilson observatory in California to view the red-shift evidence for himself. He later announced that denying the evidence of a beginning was “the greatest blunder” of his scientific career.

This evidence of a beginning, later reinforced by other developments in observational astronomy and theoretical physics, not only contradicted the expectations of scientific materialists, it confirmed those of traditional theists. As physicist and Nobel Laureate Arno Penzias observed, “The best data we have [concerning a beginning] are exactly what I would have predicted, had I nothing to go on but the first five books of Moses, the Psalms, and the Bible as a whole.”

Second, physicists have discovered that we live in a kind of “Goldilocks universe.” Indeed, since the 1960s, physicists have determined that the fundamental physical laws and parameters of our universe have been finely tuned, against all odds, to make our universe capable of hosting life. Even slight alterations in the values of many independent factors — such as the strength of gravitational and electromagnetic attraction, the masses of elementary particles, and the initial arrangement of matter and energy in the universe — would have rendered life impossible.

Not surprisingly many physicists have concluded that this improbable fine-tuning for life points to a cosmic “fine-tuner.” As former Cambridge astrophysicist, Sir Fred Hoyle argued: “A common-sense interpretation of the data suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics” to make life possible.
To avoid this conclusion, some physicists have postulated a vast number of other universes. This “multiverse” idea portrays our universe as the outcome of a grand lottery in which some universe-generating mechanism spits out billions and billions of universes — so many that our universe with its improbable combination of life-conducive factors would eventually have to arise.

Yet, advocates of the multiverse overlook an obvious problem. All such proposals — whether based on “inflationary cosmology” or “string theory” — postulate universe generating mechanisms that themselves require prior unexplained fine-tuning — thus, taking us back to where we started and the need for an ultimate fine-tuner.

Finally, discoveries in molecular biology have revealed the presence of digital code at the foundation of life, suggesting the work of a master programmer. After James Watson and Francis Crick elucidated the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953, Crick developed his famed “sequence hypothesis.” In it, Crick proposed that the chemical constituents in DNA function like letters in a written language or digital symbols in a computer code.

Functioning computer code depends upon a precise sequence of zeros and ones. Similarly, the DNA molecule’s ability to direct the assembly of crucial protein molecules in cells depends upon specific arrangements of chemical constituents called “bases” along the spine of its double helix structure. Thus, even Richard Dawkins has acknowledged, “the machine code of the genes is uncannily computer-like.” Or as Bill Gates explains, “DNA is like a computer program, but far, far more advanced than any software we’ve ever created.”
No theory of undirected chemical evolution has explained the origin of the information in DNA (or RNA) needed to build the first living cell from simpler non-living chemicals. Instead, our uniform and repeated experience — the basis of all scientific reasoning — shows that systems possessing functional or digital information invariably arise from intelligent causes.
We know from experience that software comes from programmers. We know generally that information — whether inscribed in hieroglyphics, written in a book, or encoded in radio signals — always arises from an intelligent source.
So the discovery of information — and a complex information transmission and processing system — in every living cell, provides strong grounds for inferring that intelligence played a role in life’s origin. As information theorist Henry Quastler observed, “information habitually arises from conscious activity.”
Historian of science Fredrick Burnham notes: “the idea that God created the universe [is] a more respectable hypothesis today than at any time in the last 100 years.” In my book “Return of the God Hypothesis,” I concur, and argue that recent scientific discoveries about biological and cosmological origins have decidedly theistic implications, suggesting that popular scientific reports of the death of God may have been — to adapt Mark Twain’s famous quip — greatly exaggerated.
 
Good post.

Many of these thoughts, described in high-level scientific language, can be boiled down to language a 4 year-old can understand. The basic logic is stunningly simple.

I knew a physicist at Duke (by 'knew' I mean I saw a couple of his lectures about science and religion), left to go to Vanderbilt, who had been a "Sunday Christian", but said that throughout his education in physics as a student then as a professor and researcher, the more he learned, the more he realized how shockingly little 'science' could explain origin of life/universe, which led him to increasingly believe that God was behind it all (me, paraphrasing).
 
We know from experience that software comes from programmers. We know generally that information — whether inscribed in hieroglyphics, written in a book, or encoded in radio signals — always arises from an intelligent source.
So the discovery of information — and a complex information transmission and processing system — in every living cell, provides strong grounds for inferring that intelligence played a role in life’s origin.
A point often overlooked... they find a hieroglyph, and it's evidence of intelligence, but they find a DNA sequence, and it's evidence of a random event in primordial soup.
 
The only evidence I’ve ever seen of “intelligent design” are those ‘helicopter seeds’ from maple trees.

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Are we really supposed to believe a tree designed that? If the seeds fall directly under the tree, the new trees will not get enough sun, and will crowd out the existing tree.

So the maples learned aerodynamics, and invented a winged seed? The tree ‘understands’ the medium of air? C’mon.

Those little (insert bad word here) are falling in my pool by the thousands as we speak.

All I need to prove the existence of God is a quick look around. The fact that there are proctologists is proof that God has a plan. The platypus proves he has a sense of humor. Flowers blooming in the Spring are proof that God has style. The fact that I have survived my own stupid life so far is proof he can forgive. And the smile on my older daughter (as well as my own eyes looking back at me) or the laugh of my younger one proves he loves me WAY more than I deserve.

Faith? I have it. But I wouldn't need it if I didn't. Proof is all around me.

Great post and topic @Get Off My Lawn if for no other reason than it points my mind toward Him first thing this morning.
 
Ive never seen the science vs spirituality conflict. if done right, both are valid methods to search for truths. both are necessary for a better understanding of those truths. each informs the other.
 
I found this interesting, are there any holes in his case?
I've been thinking about this article for a while. I think that if there is a "hole" in his case, it lies in the belief that we can ever comprehend the incomprehensible. If the three examples indeed strengthen the argument that there is a God, they (nor any other line of thought of which I am aware) do nothing to explain to us who/what that God is, in any sense. In other words, we can only place things in the framework of our understanding. Something/someone outside the framework of our understanding can never be 'understood', and to attempt to 'rationalize' God is an exercise in human-constrained futility.

TL/DR: ultimately, it can only all come down to faith.
 
A point often overlooked... they find a hieroglyph, and it's evidence of intelligence, but they find a DNA sequence, and it's evidence of a random event in primordial soup.
Indeed.
Atheists conflate adaptation that becomes encoded into DNA as proof of evolution. But it is nothing of the kind.
White supremacists also rely on Darwinism/evolution to claim superiority over non-whites. It is generally accept that mankind can be traced back to the African continent. Humans migrated from there and adapted to the regional environments over generations. White skin as an adaptation as man moved away from the equator. The Nepalese adapted a barrel chest that increases lung size and capacity. In regions where food is more scarce, people are smaller.
From a physics stand point, every known natural compound contracts when frozen except water. If ice contracted and got more dense, as every other compound does, life could not exist. If the moon was not there, there would be not tides. The tides are also needed for life to exist.
There are many single factors that if they did not exist, life, as we know it, could not exist. If solar output reduces enough, another ice age will come and wipe out life as we know it, again. It has happened before. It will happen again.
 
life, as we know it, could not exist
In my view that's not nearly as daunting an alternative as some will take it to be. Life, in ways we are not yet aware of, probably does exists.
 
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I think an interesting take to consider is mindfulness.
Taking the theist view into consideration that indeed God does exist.
Is God mindful?
Meaning is God aware of you or is humanity and the stuff on Earth just a by-product of a gods existence.
Just food for thought...
 
Is God mindful?
Meaning is God aware of you or is humanity and the stuff on Earth just a by-product of a gods existence.
Yes.
God is mindful and aware of each of us as individuals.
Humanity and the stuff on Earth are by-products not only of his existence, but his very nature and character.
 
In my view rhat's not nearly as daunting an alternative as some will take it to be. Life, in ways we are not yet aware of, probably does exists.
Hence the qualifier. Some speculate that there could be no-carboned based life out there in the vast universe. Ancient Aliens is full of speculation and purported evidence.
 
I've always found this pragerU video pretty good on this topic.


The fourth bang, psychological, being self aware Jordan Peterson refers to as consciousness. It is what seperates us from animals, and is how we are made in the image of divinity. In the biblical story, this occurred when Adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit. They became conscience 'like God', knowing God from evil, and even being aware of their nakedness.
 
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