Hey there, I’m going to purchase a red dot soon or later to put on my edc pistol (Glock 19). But I can’t decide which optic I want between the Trijicon SRO, the RMR, or the Acro P-2. Can anybody give me some knowledge and wisdom so I could possibly made the right choice?
Trijicon SRO vs. Trijicon RMR Vs. Aim Point ACRO P-2
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Of your choices, the ACRO P2 but honestly none of them. I would go with a Holosun 508T; the features are excellent and it is a duty grade optic as far as durability. Not a brand preference or even a price point thing, you could take all those optics and if they all cost the same and I didn’t know who made them, I would still choose a 508T for carry.
I don’t like RMRs, mainly for the window shape (while I understand this shape is what gives it its strength I just don’t prefer it) also a bottom load battery is retarded, especially with no auto shut off/motion activated features. I know it’s a very long battery life, but anyone who’s used optics for awhile has forgotten one left on full power and killed it before. Another thing is they seem to hate innovation and are like the Glock of optics, they work but are very slow to bring improvements. (If at all)
For MOA, I have just about all different sizes but my preference is for a smaller dot, like 2 or 3 max. I don’t feel like the larger dots are easier to pick up and they can cover up too much of the target at distance.
I don’t like RMRs, mainly for the window shape (while I understand this shape is what gives it its strength I just don’t prefer it) also a bottom load battery is retarded, especially with no auto shut off/motion activated features. I know it’s a very long battery life, but anyone who’s used optics for awhile has forgotten one left on full power and killed it before. Another thing is they seem to hate innovation and are like the Glock of optics, they work but are very slow to bring improvements. (If at all)
For MOA, I have just about all different sizes but my preference is for a smaller dot, like 2 or 3 max. I don’t feel like the larger dots are easier to pick up and they can cover up too much of the target at distance.
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IrishCannon
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508T for open emitter
509T for closed emitter.
SRO is not duty grade and bottom load bat
RMR bottom load bat
ACRO has had reports of moisture getting in the housing
509T for closed emitter.
SRO is not duty grade and bottom load bat
RMR bottom load bat
ACRO has had reports of moisture getting in the housing
milehighman1
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Agree with 507, 508 options; i was wrong initially about this brand. For the price points you are comparing to, the holosun eps deserves a look for a closed emitter(i am still trying to get one). The scs is a great low direct mount for using standard height sights but has had some problems with reticle washout in certain light scenarios; it is a great idea, profile, weight, etc... just do your homework since your purpose is edc.
Everyone loves to hate the RMR. It is probably the most durable RDS available. You can leave it on 24 hrs a day and change the battery once a year and never worry about it dying. Rezeroing once a year after battery replacement is not absurd. Not sure what other improvements you want besides a top loading battery. If it’s not broke don’t fix it?
I addressed what all I didn’t like about them pretty clearly in my post. It’s like you quoted me, but didn’t read it…
Yes it probably the most durable , but not my much and there are a lot of of other good duty grade optics out there.
You certainly can leave it on 24/7……at setting 4, which is unusable in most daylight conditions. Go ahead and leave it on full power and see how quick you’re changing that battery..
I don’t care how if it’s once a month, year or every couple years.. a bottom load battery is retarded.
And I don’t hate the RMR, I’ve been shooting them for years and currently have them on 3 different pistols. There are just better options out there right now. So my criticism of them comes from a fair amount of experience with the optic.
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IrishCannon
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I like my EPS well enough but you can find a used 509T for the price of a new EPS all day.
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Yes I stated that wrong...still wouldn't use one. I've seen two fail on the firing line already, and it wasn't a large sample size. Brand new optics and the electronics failed.
I can't speak to the Aimpoint issue as I haven't seen it first hand, but it's enough for me to steer clear until they've been used more widely.
What I can personally attest to is putting 507c and 508t through the ringer without incident. Haven't seen any fail yet.
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I have yet to see any mainstream brand not fail with enough use. While my SROs have not yet had an issue, I fully expect they will at some point.
Multiple issues with an RMR lead me to the Holosun 507 and 508. I’ve had one of each replaced or repaired under warranty.
In full disclosure, it’s been stated more than once that I can break anything.
Multiple issues with an RMR lead me to the Holosun 507 and 508. I’ve had one of each replaced or repaired under warranty.
In full disclosure, it’s been stated more than once that I can break anything.
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I don't have thousands of rounds or have beat my Sig Romeo x compact to death, but so far it has impressed me.
It seems at least as durable as my Holosun 507K's. I love how low it sits on my slide and the overall package seems about the same bulkiness as an EPS. It also has a battery that is easy to get to. My 1 gripe is that it isn't fully enclosed, but the emitter seems to be as protected as it can be. I'm going to do a longer review when I've got some time.
The video below shows one getting absolutely abused.
It seems at least as durable as my Holosun 507K's. I love how low it sits on my slide and the overall package seems about the same bulkiness as an EPS. It also has a battery that is easy to get to. My 1 gripe is that it isn't fully enclosed, but the emitter seems to be as protected as it can be. I'm going to do a longer review when I've got some time.
The video below shows one getting absolutely abused.
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I've had 2 rmrs, 5 hs 407/507s, and now have a 507 comp.
There's too many reports of moisture intrusion and glass panes falling out of the closed emitters, including the P2, to interest me yet.
The rmr is tried and true, but the holosun 507/407 line is fantastic as well in addition to having side load battery options. For concealed carry, I don't think there's any harm in going with one of the competition sized dots (507 comp or SRO) just know it's limitations.
Dot size is all personal preference, but my preference is a 3 moa dot of the 407A3, or the 3.5 of my RMR RM06. ymmv.
There's too many reports of moisture intrusion and glass panes falling out of the closed emitters, including the P2, to interest me yet.
The rmr is tried and true, but the holosun 507/407 line is fantastic as well in addition to having side load battery options. For concealed carry, I don't think there's any harm in going with one of the competition sized dots (507 comp or SRO) just know it's limitations.
Dot size is all personal preference, but my preference is a 3 moa dot of the 407A3, or the 3.5 of my RMR RM06. ymmv.
IrishCannon
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At least with Holosun you won't fight tooth and nail to get them to repair/replace.
Unfortunately a lot of agencies still won't authorize the use of Holosun optics on personal weapons. I'll prob give the RMR HD a try, and I do like the 1moa dot.
I run RMRs. Only con is bottom load battery but really not that big of a deal to do once a year. Can personally tell you that trijicons customer service is top notch if you ever need to use it. I have one well loved RM06 that the emitter glass went MIA and they sent a pre paid label and fixed it no questions asked.
Im not exactly sure what the manufacturer date of that particular RMR is but they gave me no issues whatsoever. Turnaround time was great as well. Maybe that was my lucky day. Hopefully won’t ever have to use warranty again.
I have had RMR , Leupold Delta Point , Sig Romeo , and then my first Holosun. I now have several Holosun products 407 , 507, and 509. I like the 2 moa dot and large circle.
Keep in mind 2moa equates to a dot that looks 2” at 100 yards , 1” at 50 and 1/2” at 25 yards. If you think about most uses for a defensive use of a handgun it will generally be at 25 yards or less. I started out wanting 2-3 MOA but now find myself liking larger 6 moa dot. 3” dot at 50 yards is a nice size
At the end of the day you can learn to use them all , but I would suggest at the very least finding a store with a variety in stock and look through them - see which one you can track the dot easier when transitioning from target to target at different ranges
Keep in mind 2moa equates to a dot that looks 2” at 100 yards , 1” at 50 and 1/2” at 25 yards. If you think about most uses for a defensive use of a handgun it will generally be at 25 yards or less. I started out wanting 2-3 MOA but now find myself liking larger 6 moa dot. 3” dot at 50 yards is a nice size
At the end of the day you can learn to use them all , but I would suggest at the very least finding a store with a variety in stock and look through them - see which one you can track the dot easier when transitioning from target to target at different ranges
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I had a MRO I returned that was slightly out of date. They tried to charge me for repair and it took me talking to a supervisor for them to do it for me as a “one time courtesy”.
509T and EPS like most holosun optics are very durable, but (if you plan to carry AIWB) the sharp corners eat up my shirts pretty quickly (holes). Maybe I need to adjust my AIWB holster or tighten my belt, but I'm sick of buying new shirts.
I also prefer an enclosed optic due to having dry skin which leaves lots of nice dead skin on my glass where I can easily wipe/blow it off on an enclosed optic.
I just got an Acro P-2 and the edges are more rounded, hopefully my shirts won't get eaten up again. They can be had for $500 shipped new w/o tax if you look in the right places. With the Trijicon RCR, aimpoint seems to be discounting the P-2.
One issue with the P-2 is that the there is a layer of glass right on the front so if you rack the slide with the optic you may break/crack that piece of glass. Tangodown does make a "shield" for this but I haven't tried it out yet.
Another interesting feature about the Holosun SCS series and the new RMR HD is that the brightness auto-adjusts much better than the older holosun auto-adjust feature which could be pretty helpful. As far as I know, the holosun SCS 320 is enclosed, the Glock MOS one is not. Supposedly people are making plates to use the SCS 320 on other guns.
I also prefer an enclosed optic due to having dry skin which leaves lots of nice dead skin on my glass where I can easily wipe/blow it off on an enclosed optic.
I just got an Acro P-2 and the edges are more rounded, hopefully my shirts won't get eaten up again. They can be had for $500 shipped new w/o tax if you look in the right places. With the Trijicon RCR, aimpoint seems to be discounting the P-2.
One issue with the P-2 is that the there is a layer of glass right on the front so if you rack the slide with the optic you may break/crack that piece of glass. Tangodown does make a "shield" for this but I haven't tried it out yet.
Another interesting feature about the Holosun SCS series and the new RMR HD is that the brightness auto-adjusts much better than the older holosun auto-adjust feature which could be pretty helpful. As far as I know, the holosun SCS 320 is enclosed, the Glock MOS one is not. Supposedly people are making plates to use the SCS 320 on other guns.
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IrishCannon
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Where have you seen the P-2 is being discontinued? I know they've had some problems. Is there a P-3 slated for release??
Aimpoint taking a play out of PSA's book. Maybe they'll get it right with the P-5.
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Just shot a match with the acro p2, sold it right after. I guess if you were duty it would be good. But i rather sro or holosun comp
if you're coming from an SRO or 507 Comp, I can see why you immediately sold the P2.
I just installed a Trijicon RCR.
The wider and taller window of the RCR and 509T is definitely a plus.
The RCR mounting system (using the RMR footprint) seems pretty robust, but I'd prefer a clamp style (like the Acro or 509T). With the RCR, the adapter plate needs to be thicker to have threads for the screws to go in, making the already tall RCR sit even taller.
I don't like keeping another battery size (509T uses 1632, EPS uses 1620, all of my other optics use 2032).
I hope the more contoured edges of the P2 and RCR don't rub holes in my shirts (or at least not as fast as the 509T).
I'm leaning towards putting the 509T on my rifles, RCR on pistols, and selling the Acro P2 (the bigger windows are hard to beat).
I just installed a Trijicon RCR.
The wider and taller window of the RCR and 509T is definitely a plus.
The RCR mounting system (using the RMR footprint) seems pretty robust, but I'd prefer a clamp style (like the Acro or 509T). With the RCR, the adapter plate needs to be thicker to have threads for the screws to go in, making the already tall RCR sit even taller.
I don't like keeping another battery size (509T uses 1632, EPS uses 1620, all of my other optics use 2032).
I hope the more contoured edges of the P2 and RCR don't rub holes in my shirts (or at least not as fast as the 509T).
I'm leaning towards putting the 509T on my rifles, RCR on pistols, and selling the Acro P2 (the bigger windows are hard to beat).
IrishCannon
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I'd like to see how the new Trijis pan out. I'm not a fan of being a guinea pig on $600 optics. I'd prefer to just throw on a 509t on this new slide but I've gotta get it cut, and I'm not keen on being stuck to a single optic.
I agree that the unique footprint of the 509t is the biggest problem, but it does come with an rmr adapter plate. So you could just get it cut for the rmr.
Some companies also make rmr to acro adapter plates. Having the rmr cut as the “base” cut seems to make the most sense unless you know you’re going to stay on a specific optic.
Some companies also make rmr to acro adapter plates. Having the rmr cut as the “base” cut seems to make the most sense unless you know you’re going to stay on a specific optic.