TRT HGH how/where/etc ???

My weight is back down to 215 yesterday. I had pizza and beer for dinner the previous night. I'm really undecided thus far as to what is placebo, what is real, what is energy vs caffeine. No morning wood yet. I'm actually using the absence of morning wood as a mile marker on this journey.
 
I'm 2.5 weeks in. 8 lbs down. Impressive morning (and middle of the night lol) wood.
 
I'm not sure if it's helping at all. I'm working on week 2 now but I'm waiting to go through the entire bottle before I pass judgement.
 
Another interesting effect of this for me at least has been sleep. I have always been a light sleeper. After the first couple days where I was figuring out dosage timing, I sleep like the dead. Much better than I have in a long time.
 
Another interesting effect of this for me at least has been sleep. I have always been a light sleeper. After the first couple days where I was figuring out dosage timing, I sleep like the dead. Much better than I have in a long time.

That has been the only plus for me so far
 
I'll say that's true as well.
 
Following.

my problem is insurance. I have to test low twice in a row for them to cover it. My issue is that since I switched to the vertical diet (more of a lifestyle, not a diet)....my test rose enough to keep me just out of the red.

44 and I compete at strongman and powerlifting but WOW is recovery and energy level a factor.

if you’re looking for aging and recovery tips...this one is handy and covers this topic

 
Following.

my problem is insurance. I have to test low twice in a row for them to cover it. My issue is that since I switched to the vertical diet (more of a lifestyle, not a diet)....my test rose enough to keep me just out of the red.
44 and I compete at strongman and powerlifting but WOW is recovery and energy level a factor.

if you’re looking for aging and recovery tips...this one is handy and covers this topic



My Dr was getting ready to suggest therapy and I found these. I can't take 2 a day, makes me feel too much like a teenager. So I take one a day. The change has shown up on my last couple years of bloodwork and kept me out of the low T zone. My Dr went from "we might need to do something" to "keep doing what you are doing". I'm 47, 6'1", 194lb and pretty active.

Amazon.com: NaturesPlus Ultra T Male, Extended Release - 60 Bilayer Tablets - Natural Testosterone Booster For Men - Healthy Sexual Function, Muscle Gain - Vegetarian, Gluten-Free -30 Servings: Health & Personal Care
 
My Dr was getting ready to suggest therapy and I found these. I can't take 2 a day, makes me feel too much like a teenager. So I take one a day. The change has shown up on my last couple years of bloodwork and kept me out of the low T zone. My Dr went from "we might need to do something" to "keep doing what you are doing". I'm 47, 6'1", 194lb and pretty active.

Amazon.com: NaturesPlus Ultra T Male, Extended Release - 60 Bilayer Tablets - Natural Testosterone Booster For Men - Healthy Sexual Function, Muscle Gain - Vegetarian, Gluten-Free -30 Servings: Health & Personal Care
Appreciate that advice. Everyone is always singing the praises of a supplement but few back it up with blood tests. It’s all subjective and doesn’t matter, proof is in the blood! I can fill caps with caffeine, beet root and o2 supps and it’ll hit your feels but won’t do nothing for test lol
 
Had blood work done this week, I’m at 1246 free test using the TRT cream and blockers.

Everything else is a good range too.
 
Well I only took the one bottle discussed a year ago in this thread. I didn't recognize any couch potato based weight loss, and didn't stick with it long enough to be able to say if it's any good or not beyond feeling a definite kick from the caffeine and perhaps feeling a little more motivated and less achy.

Trying this again with different product with slightly different ingredients and no caffeine.

It's way cheaper so I might be more willing to stick with it even if the improvements are subtle.
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Starting to look into this topic. My brother was talking with his doc specifically about dad’s sudden and unexpected death last year. Best the coroner came up with was a massive stroke or heart attack. Bro’s doc asked about dad’s T levels—something we’d never, ever, never ever never discussed. In fact, if one of us even had the thought about talking about sensitive stuff like that, the other may have feigned an epileptic seizure to avoid talking about it. So we’ve got zero scientific data on the topic. But when you look at the symptoms of low T (irritable/explosive anger, weight problems, no motivation, etc) dad definitely had most of them.

Bro’s doc says research is starting g to link heart attack risk with low T. Says he and I should get checked.

Sure enough, brother’s numbers are low. I got mine reported yesterday and mine is “low normal” in the mid 200’s (funny how one doc calls that “very low” and another uses ambiguous terms like “low normal”—WTF is that supposed to mean?!).

My doc has ordered another test and we’ll chat after that.

Bro is looking into all sorts of available treatments. He’s the type to do more research than the doc. Between him and this thread, I’m watching intently. I’ve got a majority of the “symptoms” of low T and certainly my don’t want an elevated heart problem risk. I also don’t want a dependency on drugs, pills, shots, or leg makeup cream. Would love to know of a natural way to boost numbers. I’ll drop or add a few things to the feeding rotation if it means helping in the long run.
 
Following.

my problem is insurance. I have to test low twice in a row for them to cover it. My issue is that since I switched to the vertical diet (more of a lifestyle, not a diet)....my test rose enough to keep me just out of the red.

44 and I compete at strongman and powerlifting but WOW is recovery and energy level a factor.

if you’re looking for aging and recovery tips...this one is handy and covers this topic

T levels can vary throughout the day. If there is a time if day that you get tired (such as mid afternoon), that is the time to have your bloodwork done.
 
Well I only took the one bottle discussed a year ago in this thread. I didn't recognize any couch potato based weight loss, and didn't stick with it long enough to be able to say if it's any good or not beyond feeling a definite kick from the caffeine and perhaps feeling a little more motivated and less achy.

Trying this again with different product with slightly different ingredients and no caffeine.

It's way cheaper so I might be more willing to stick with it even if the improvements are subtle.
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As follow-up, after two weeks I can say I'm down 6 pounds. I've intentionally right sized meals but I eat whatever I want. Morning wood report is positive. It's not raging 18 year old, but there's something going on now that wasn't before.
 
@9outof10mms this way the doctor explained the ranges to me. The ranges are averages of males 18 to 80. So while you are in the normal range, you are low for your age. I have a friend who was tested when he was in his late 20s. His range was just a points over the low range. But since he was so young dr put him on testosterone injections.


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My numbers this year are higher than last years. 566 vs 549, so not huge but not going down. Still taking the Natures Plus Ultra T. Plus increased exercise and possibly some diet changes. Dr said to keep doing what I'm doing. I'd rather do something to encourage my body to produce T rather than to supplement it and have my body possibly slow down production even more. And when this started the Dr was talking about possibly starting injections if it dropped any more.
 
I can tell you this-
They have a range, and I know mine is low, but it is literally about 10 points above the ridiculously low cutoff at the VA, so I am ineligible to receive it.
What a bunch of BS.
I showed it to my doctor who said there is no read for the rates to be that low, except they don’t want to treat. Welcome to the government.
 
Starting to look into this topic. My brother was talking with his doc specifically about dad’s sudden and unexpected death last year. Best the coroner came up with was a massive stroke or heart attack. Bro’s doc asked about dad’s T levels—something we’d never, ever, never ever never discussed. In fact, if one of us even had the thought about talking about sensitive stuff like that, the other may have feigned an epileptic seizure to avoid talking about it. So we’ve got zero scientific data on the topic. But when you look at the symptoms of low T (irritable/explosive anger, weight problems, no motivation, etc) dad definitely had most of them.

Bro’s doc says research is starting g to link heart attack risk with low T. Says he and I should get checked.

Sure enough, brother’s numbers are low. I got mine reported yesterday and mine is “low normal” in the mid 200’s (funny how one doc calls that “very low” and another uses ambiguous terms like “low normal”—WTF is that supposed to mean?!).

My doc has ordered another test and we’ll chat after that.

Bro is looking into all sorts of available treatments. He’s the type to do more research than the doc. Between him and this thread, I’m watching intently. I’ve got a majority of the “symptoms” of low T and certainly my don’t want an elevated heart problem risk. I also don’t want a dependency on drugs, pills, shots, or leg makeup cream. Would love to know of a natural way to boost numbers. I’ll drop or add a few things to the feeding rotation if it means helping in the long run.

Low T and heart attack risk is not something I heard before, that is interesting. If I understand things correctly (and I very well may not,) TRT can decrease the amount of testosterone your body naturally produces moving forward. Losing weight, gaining muscle mass, eating cleaner, correcting nutritional deficiencies (zinc, healthy fats, vitamin D) can all have positive effects.

Drinks like sodas, coffee, tea and alcohol can inhibit certain mineral absorption. Apparently mineral deficiencies are common in the first world. That's something I need to look more into.
 
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Low T and heart attack risk is not something I heard before, that is interesting. If I understand things correctly (and I very well may not,) TRT can decrease the amount of testosterone your body naturally produces moving forward. Losing weight, gaining muscle mass, eating cleaner, correcting nutritional deficiencies (zinc, healthy fats, vitamin D) can all have positive effects.

Drinks like sodas, coffee, tea and alcohol can inhibit certain mineral absorption. Apparently mineral deficiencies are common in the first world. That's something I need to look more into.
Basically true and correct.

Your body was designed to run on/with Testosterone.
Your levels peak around 17, and plateau out for a decade or two then drop off, generally.

Issued lies obesity, sedentary lifestyle, TBI can effect your levels severely.
Joe Rogan had a former Navy SEAL on who when tested had the T level of an 11 year old girl, he had so much TBI/body trauma his body quit making it. He was on 11 meds, and once he got into the T program he was off everything within 6 months.

Heart attack can go both ways.
If your T level is too low over time, you will tend to lose muscle mass, gain fat, low energy, etc, and you are significantly more susceptible to cancers that mostly plague women, and are rare in men.
Also, you have increased risk of heart attack and stroke, etc, but that is partly due to lifestyle and weight gain, and the anti synergistic effects off all of these factors combined.

Once you are 40+ or younger with trauma/glandular issues, you body makes less naturally to stops entirely. That’s where you need to supplement with T. And once on, you body MOST likely will not reboot and start again-
You are a human biological machine not a car, T therapy is not a jump start.

T can lead to some issues-
It feels amazing, so a lot of guys “supplement” with extra T from the black market, which too much of a good thing can be bad-

You will build more lean muscle, but over doing it, will add more weight to your frame which is always a strain on the system. However 40 pounds of muscle is probably better than 40 pounds of fat.
T also thickens your blood, which means some more strain on your heart, and increased risk of stroke, particularly if you smoke or are sedentary.

A lot of guys get on T, and fall into the trap of “hey, I lost 20 pounds of fat, gained 20 pounds of muscle, I look/feel great, no need for cardio.”
DO NOT DO THAT
Maintain a MINIMUM of 20 minutes of cardio 3 times a week. MINIMUM.

Also a lot of guys jump on T, feel great, start exercising and then overdo it, and blow out a shoulder/knee/ whatever

YOU ARE NOT 20 ANYMORE.
You no longer have the body of a stunt man.
Your days of jumping off the roof, landing on your face, smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer, and then running a mile are over.
Find a decent cardio and strength training program and work at INCREMENTAL improvements over 6 months, then keep up with that.

Diet will also play a much more significant factor now that you cannot eat whatever you want like when you were a teenager.
I personally use Intermittent Fasting- only coffee in the morning, no eating until 6pm-10pm, and Ketogenic diet- High (healthy) fats from Avocado and Olive oils, quality protein from Grass Fed/Finished beef and Elk, low carbs, eliminating processed food especially sugar, and LOTS of water.

You may also want to talk to your doctor about Aspirin therapy, because it is a blood thinner and can help counteract the effect of T thickening your blood.

The creams can also transfer to other people if they are not fully absorbed by your skin, and can cause significant hair growth where they are put-
Look for older in shape guys at your gym who have an unusually hairy back left shoulder.
why? Because they are right handed and out the cream on their rear left shoulder.
I have had better results with the injections

I am not a doctor, but I do have A LOT of experience in this realm.

You are welcome to PM me and I will discuss with you further offline if hou
 
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T levels can vary throughout the day. If there is a time if day that you get tired (such as mid afternoon), that is the time to have your bloodwork done.
Oh no. I took my tests in the prime times of my day. When I’m most alert and productive. Even when my exercise and nutrition were phenomenally higher than any point in my life…I had the testosterone level of of Betty White despite being only 44. 😂😂😂

I’m talking sub 200. Even after weeks and months of keeping everything on point with zero issues like blood pressure, cholesterol or even keeping things like my resting heart rate in check through thinks like conditioning and cardio.

At the end of the day it could have been genetics, age or the trauma I suffered in a motorcycle wreck (I hit the tank hard enough ina crash to actually lose a testicle).

I started TRT and couldn’t be happier. I wish i started sooner. I think more guys should instead of coping with what it feels like living at the 200 or lower mark. I also feel like if we’re gonna take that level of commitment, we also need to stay on top of very regular blood work and vitals like cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. you
 
Any updates? I have a bottle in my list I may try. I need to do something. I'm the heaviest I've ever been, and at 46 I ain't getting no smaller. Definitely think I could use a boost in the T department.

If you need a boost your blood test will show it, brother. My one word of advice since I’m unqualified to give advice is to be certain of your every move. Before I hopped on, I had about 4 separate tests over a several week period showing me consistently around the 200 mark. Even then I got everything else right first to lessen side effects.

everything in life has risks. Mitigate those. We mitigate by getting blood pressure and cholesterol to reasonable levels. Also those same blood tests can give you all you micronutrient levels…if you have other things low then eat foods to supplement those.

in other news my magnesium was consistently low or at best at the low end of average. I can not express how much I hate putting spinach in my food on a regular basis. Popeye was not a man of taste 😂
 
If you need a boost your blood test will show it, brother. My one word of advice since I’m unqualified to give advice is to be certain of your every move. Before I hopped on, I had about 4 separate tests over a several week period showing me consistently around the 200 mark. Even then I got everything else right first to lessen side effects.

everything in life has risks. Mitigate those. We mitigate by getting blood pressure and cholesterol to reasonable levels. Also those same blood tests can give you all you micronutrient levels…if you have other things low then eat foods to supplement those.

in other news my magnesium was consistently low or at best at the low end of average. I can not express how much I hate putting spinach in my food on a regular basis. Popeye was not a man of taste 😂
@ForumSurfer
get a Blendtec blender, they literally turn everything into a liquid. Use spinach, kale, blueberries, broccoli, cranberries, goji berries, and some Simple Greens powder.- Tastes DELICIOUS, and is all healthy and stuff.
 
@ForumSurfer
get a Blendtec blender, they literally turn everything into a liquid. Use spinach, kale, blueberries, broccoli, cranberries, goji berries, and some Simple Greens powder.- Tastes DELICIOUS, and is all healthy and stuff.
I’m about three steps away from just blending everything except on weekends and evenings until they develop that Taco Bell pill from demolition man 😂



I’ve been just putting spinach and peppers in with my carb of choice for the day but it gets old. Some days I just put them in a Tupperware small side cup and take them like a shot
 
I’m about three steps away from just blending everything except on weekends and evenings until they develop that Taco Bell pill from demolition man 😂



I’ve been just putting spinach and peppers in with my carb of choice for the day but it gets old. Some days I just put them in a Tupperware small side cup and take them like a shot
I ended up having to cut spinach out, too many kidney stones
 
I ended up having to cut spinach out, too many kidney stones
I tried just using magnesium in the vitamin form. In an actual honest to goodness blood test it showed positively zero increase in magnesium levels.

I learned that day that product reviews from the internet or friends means absolutely dick if there is no lab work science to back it up. Same for all those OTC test boosters and natural ways to boost testosterone. If you’re at sub 250 levels, there ain’t much in the way of boosting testosterone naturally or through those trendy testosterone boosters.
 
I tried just using magnesium in the vitamin form. In an actual honest to goodness blood test it showed positively zero increase in magnesium levels.

I learned that day that product reviews from the internet or friends means absolutely dick if there is no lab work science to back it up. Same for all those OTC test boosters and natural ways to boost testosterone. If you’re at sub 250 levels, there ain’t much in the way of boosting testosterone naturally or through those trendy testosterone boosters.
I'm on the shots. Was in the low 300's before and now in the 700's. .4cc once a week.
 
I'm on the shots. Was in the low 300's before and now in the 700's. .4cc once a week.
I was in the 200mg/ml 1ml every 14 days. I tried halfing the dose every 7 days. Couldn't get mine to stay above 500.
 
@ForumSurfer
get a Blendtec blender, they literally turn everything into a liquid. Use spinach, kale, blueberries, broccoli, cranberries, goji berries, and some Simple Greens powder.- Tastes DELICIOUS, and is all healthy and stuff.

Funny you should mention that...Woot has them today!

 
I tried just using magnesium in the vitamin form. In an actual honest to goodness blood test it showed positively zero increase in magnesium levels.

I learned that day that product reviews from the internet or friends means absolutely dick if there is no lab work science to back it up. Same for all those OTC test boosters and natural ways to boost testosterone. If you’re at sub 250 levels, there ain’t much in the way of boosting testosterone naturally or through those trendy testosterone boosters.

Good point. Bioavailability of vitamins and minerals is something that interests me, and is something that cannot be assumed. Just because it was consumed, it doesn't mean your body absorbed it. Why does this have to get so technical, ha!?
 
Funny you should mention that...Woot has them today!

I KNEW I heard of this brand somewhere. I compete in strongman and powerlifting and one of the guys out there with the biggest squat is constantly saying how that thing will blend ANYTHING. I watched (and nearly vomited) as he proceeded to make a shake out of greens, steak and chicken 😂
 
That is an AMAZING price.
I think I paid at least double that back in 2014, and the blender still works great.
Their customer service is also top notch, at one point, the jar had issues and they sent me another one for free.

Its not like a Ninja blender, it doesn't just chop/slice very fine, it SMASHES, and turns everything into liquid.
The owner of the company makes videos where he blends iPhones and baseballs.

My only complaint is that the lid can pop off while you are making a smoothie and the juice goes everywhere.



 
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