Trumps shutdown plan

Dare we think such a bold and clever plot is underway? o_O
 
georgel said:
Dare we think such a bold and clever plot is underway? o_O
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One can hope. Of course the Dims will howl with outrage. Any Repug that parrots “smaller govt.” and objects needs to be removed for hypocrisy.

Edit to add, and once that group is gone, we find more non essential employees to shut down.
 
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Nice thought, but considering he's had meetings during this time to try to get money for his wall I dont see how this was part of his plan.
 
HMP said:
Nice thought, but considering he's had meetings during this time to try to get money for his wall I dont see how this was part of his plan.
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Oh I could see him saying in a public address that unless ol Nancy doesn't quit screwing around and get serious about getting the job done that he'll RIF the furloughed employees (who probably won't vote for him anyway). That puts the trump card right on the dims shoulders.
 
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I could see him saying, at a later date, this was all part of his plan.

So then comes an idea - intentionally laying off several hundred thousand employees, is it a good thing or no?
And it's not like it's gradual cutbacks, its a swift "hey, youve been waiting a month to come back to work (ie: not job searching and not getting paid), but good luck"

""You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal."
 
If this is his plan (and I hope it is), then Trump wins either way this turns out. If Pelosi caves and approves funding for the wall, Trump can claim that he is a master negotiator. If Pelosi and the Democrats stick to their guns, then Trump can eliminate thousands of unnecessary government jobs and actually put teeth to what every Republican campaigns on but never does anything about (and makes it worse by spending more). Yes, he is going to make a lot of people angry, but those people already weren't voting for him anyway and either outcome would energize his base.
 
"Two ways to win, no way to lose" is straight out of the book.
 
HMP said:
I could see him saying, at a later date, this was all part of his plan.

So then comes an idea - intentionally laying off several hundred thousand employees, is it a good thing or no?
And it's not like it's gradual cutbacks, its a swift "hey, youve been waiting a month to come back to work (ie: not job searching and not getting paid), but good luck"

""You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal."
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Having been down and out in the job market before I don't wish unemployment on anyone. But the US and Western Europe all have a serious problem with public sector workers. At this this point many public sector workers are just in a jobs program and are unnecessary. They are a politcial force who's only purpose is job security and higher pay. There is a public/ private battle that has been bubbling under the surface for a long time. The citizens pay for useless workers and massive pensions. Eventually it has to stop and reverese or we become the Soviet Union economically. Everything for the State. So there will be pain. Either by us paying for more and more freeloaders or by them getting 'real' jobs.
 
LoL the level of mental gymnastics in here is shooting for the moon. Muh due process trampling, confiscatory ban, 87D chess art of the deal.
 
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HMP said:
You have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He has to get (the Speaker of the House) and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice and be angry and be wild and cajole and do all sorts of things, but you have to get a deal.
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The Dims didn't show up to the most recent meeting. Whose fault was that?
 
HMP said:
So then comes an idea - intentionally laying off several hundred thousand employees, is it a good thing or no?
And it's not like it's gradual cutbacks, its a swift "hey, youve been waiting a month to come back to work (ie: not job searching and not getting paid), but good luck"
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They'll get their back pay. And I'm sure that federal employees, SES in particular, will get a decent severance package if RIF'ed.

And if they target the ones that are not doing any work, or worse, actively sabotaging what the administration is trying to do, then it isn't just a good thing, it's a GREAT thing!
 
This would, on the whole be a good thing. However, as the article points out performance is the last criteria that comes into play, so you might hinder yourself by still having the same % of no-goods in a leaner department.

Also, don't trust short-term results. Saying we don't need them if we haven't noticed is like saying we don't need roads because we aren't driving on them right after an ice storm.

The real path to victory for the citizens is to RIF employees because laws are changed to make them unnecessary (ie repeal NFA and lay off BATFE employees). Getting rid of employees while everything stays on the books will lead to big bog-downs which don't really help Trump.
 
Honda4828 said:
LoL the level of mental gymnastics in here is shooting for the moon. Muh due process trampling, confiscatory ban, 87D chess art of the deal.
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I agree.
Pushing for nation wide red flag laws, the bump stock ban, and talking about an assualt weapons ban. These aren't acts of a 2nd amendment friendly President.
He has done a lot of wonderful things for our country but based on his anti 2nd amendment actions I cannot support him.
 
As a start privatize the TSA. Airport security was the airline’s responsibility until .gov made it theirs after 9/11
 
Another interesting read on the topic...

Here's the end part:

As Lifson explains, and Michael Roberts explains at The Balance Careers here, on Day 30 of the shutdown, a clause is triggered in these federal employment contracts that enables RIF. The Office of Personnel Management oversees the RIF process.


A downsizing plan must be presented to OMB on Day 31. Trump's team needs to act fast. The plan must include all of the people who just sit around texting each other about their next leak to MSNBC, or planning their next protest march in a pink hat. It will take another 30 days to implement the plan. Roughly 800,000 federal employees could be permanently removed under this plan, with an annual savings of roughly $80 billion in salaries alone. Including the pensions; the government vehicles; and the rented office space, furniture, and equipment, it could be $150 billion.


In particular, removing the SES employees and their hefty salaries represents a huge savings. After the massive RIF, Trump could go ahead with Plan B, declare an emergency, and send that order to the Corps of Engineers. The Democratic Party will be faced with a Hobson's choice: lose the Latino vote, or lose the Deep State. I suspect that when presented with this possibility, Chuckie and Nancy will immediately cave in (they aren't that stupid).


At that point, Trump should raise the stakes. "Approve all of my judicial nominees immediately, or the shutdown continues, and the RIF takes effect. Then I declare an emergency, and I get my border wall anyway."


Since the Latino vote isn't a sure thing, they'll choose to keep the Deep State, and they'll cave in. The Latino population will gradually go from mostly pro-Democrat to independent, or even Republican, as so many Latinos in the Rio Grande Valley have done. Most people outside Texas don't know this, but Governor Greg Abbott (R-Texas) won with a plurality of the Latino vote – and a slender majority (50%-49%) of Latino males. If we can duplicate that in the rest of the country, the Democratic Party is finished.


We didn't hire Trump to go to church with us. We hired him to clean house. This is the best chance to get it done.


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/art...i_in_a_brilliant_vise_grip.html#ixzz5d87YlC8K

BTW, I've been RIF'ed out a couple of times and both times the exit packages were pretty sweet. If you're going to get fired, it's the way to go. Last one was full benefits and pay for 8 weeks. One before that, I didn't get benefits, but was paid for 3 additional months and I had already taken another job. :D
 
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