FWIW...Had a set of those but never got to wear them. Lost some weight and they fit big anyway. They are substantial feeling but I'm leery of the the price to performance ratio. Gave them to charity. Had a co-worker who was or is a big outdoorsman. Been to Alaska several times hunting and fishing. Several Colorado and New Mexico hunting trips in altitude. Hunts deer season here like his life depended on it. He's owned and tested a lot of gear and says that none of the membrane type gear (gore tex, etc.) will ultimately keep you dry in a continuous down pour. He said the only things that work are PVC and rubber like the Deadliest Catch fishermen wear. Been thinking about buying a Carhartt set of PVC bibs and rain coat.