TTU police officer shot, killed at TTPD headquarters; SWAT team searching for suspect

Damn. Says they brought him in for a welfare check ( I guessing that they were checking on him like his mental health). Man prayers sent for the cops family and friends. Hope they find the kid soon before he hurts anyone else
 
Freshman student, sounds like drugs involved. TX passed concealed carry on campus a couple years ago, this will reignite that debate for sure.
 
Google says you must be 21 to cc in Texas unless you are in the military and then it's 18.
 
A freshman probably wouldn't be 21. What is the age for cc in Texas?
Great point, honestly didn’t think of that, plus he was probably under the influence.
 
Texas Tech officials tell us they did a welfare check on a student, found drugs and drug paraphernalia in his room and brought him in, once at the PD building, the student pulled a gun and shot the officer in the head, killing him. Then the student fled on foot.


Sounds like campus police officers had little to no experience with body search’s. You will get that with most colleges not wanting kids charged or treated mean. :rolleyes:
 
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Until this country sees the drug problem as the threat to national security that it really is and decides to abandon this fake "War on Drugs" and start a "Real war on drugs" using our military aviation assets in certain parts of the world, including south of the border, with no ROE..................... we will continue to deteriorate as a country.
 
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Kid is 19. Young people away from positive influences and not the best at rational decisions and mix in some dope makes a bad cocktail.

This is why I am personally against armed students.
 
Until this country sees the drug problem as the threat to national security that it really is and decides to abandon this fake "War on Drugs" and start a "Real war on drugs" using our military aviation assets in certain parts of the world, including south of the border, with no ROE..................... we will continue to deteriorate as a country.
What does that even mean? You admit that drugs are a problem and in the same sentence decry the war on drugs. You aren't making sense.
 
Tragic! Find it difficult to understand how a kid arrested and ostensibly searched produced a firearm. May God provide peace and comfort for the family of the slain officer and guidance and strength for the family of the killer. Ruining your life at 19 has devastating effects on a family. I have seen this far too close to home...
 
What does that even mean? You admit that drugs are a problem and in the same sentence decry the war on drugs. You aren't making sense.

Please allow me to explain it to you. The "war on drugs" that you are referring to, the same one that I referred to as "fake", is just that: a fake war. This current "war" on drugs doesn't involve any military action, at least any of serious consequence. Where do you think these drugs are coming from? I'm not referring to marijuana btw.

We have a huge drug problem in this country. In my opinion, we are way beyond eliminating or reducing the demand. It's now time to eliminate the supply, as much as we can anyway.

Set a few examples down south that we mean business, then maybe this crap will slow down so we can get a handle on it.

I'm not real clear on how you didn't understand my first post above, but it happens I guess.
 
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Damn. Says they brought him in for a welfare check ( I guessing that they were checking on him like his mental health). Man prayers sent for the cops family and friends. Hope they find the kid soon before he hurts anyone else

Health and welfare check...meaning they did a walkthrough of some rooms on campus and, in this particular case, found drugs/drug paraphernalia I his.
 
I'm not sure about TX but in a lot of states Campus Police are State Officers and I feel he probably violated a training protocol and unfortunately it cost him his life. Never, ever take custody of anyone until you have personally searched them, regardless of what their suspected of. Trying to be "nice" cost this man his life....
 
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Kid is 19. Young people away from positive influences and not the best at rational decisions and mix in some dope makes a bad cocktail.

This is why I am personally against armed students.

I'm for the 2nd amendment but! Some 21 year olds shouldn't be able to carry. How about Cowboys post about his mom being a freshman at 44? Could she be able to carry on campus? My wife went back to school at 50. She took some night classes and had to walk to the parking garage at UNCC in the dark. I guess you're glad she wasn't able to carry too?
 
I'm for the 2nd amendment but! Some 21 year olds shouldn't be able to carry.

Yes. No matter how you think things should be in your idealized world there are people who absolutely shouldn't have guns. There are venues where they shouldn't be allowed. By your logic prison inmates should have the same weapons as the guards because "shall not be infringed". You seem to forget the part in the most holy of holy amendments that requires the holders of these guns to be "well regulated".

Name any other of the B O R that is absolute and without exception.
 
Yes. No matter how you think things should be in your idealized world there are people who absolutely shouldn't have guns. There are venues where they shouldn't be allowed. By your logic prison inmates should have the same weapons as the guards because "shall not be infringed". You seem to forget the part in the most holy of holy amendments that requires the holders of these guns to be "well regulated".

Name any other of the B O R that is absolute and without exception.

Ya kind of twisted that one JR, I think we all agree that there are some people that shouldn't have a gun, we see them at the range every time we go. Nobody said inmates should have guns like the guards, you made that one up, but when you mention venues where they shouldn't be allowed, aren't LEO's allowed to have their guns in those same venues?? So now you're better than we are???

And how would you propose we become "well regulated"??? Classes from existing LEO's?? Private instruction?? How?? What is your definition of "well regulated"??

JR, from what I've derived from some of your posts I think you have the opinion that only LEO's are "qualified enough" to possess guns in a general setting. We're okay at the range but not in public venues..
 
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And how would you propose we become "well regulated"??? Classes from existing LEO's?? Private instruction?? How?? What is your definition of "well regulated"??

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All those that wrote it meant proficient and drilled in the use of arms in a martial manner, as a regular army is proficient and drilled.

Basically, for militia to function as Regulars in military service.
 
Ya kind of twisted that one JR, I think we all agree that there are some people that shouldn't have a gun, we see them at the range every time we go. Nobody said inmates should have guns like the guards, you made that one up, but when you mention venues where they shouldn't be allowed, aren't LEO's allowed to have their guns in those same venues?? So now you're better than we are???

And how would you propose we become "well regulated"??? Classes from existing LEO's?? Private instruction?? How?? What is your definition of "well regulated"??

JR, from what I've derived from some of your posts I think you have the opinion that only LEO's are "qualified enough" to possess guns in a general setting. We're okay at the range but not in public venues..

"I think we all agree that there are some people that shouldn't have a gun"
You haven't been paying attention to the "shall not..." crowd because that's exactly what they say.

"Nobody said inmates should have guns like the guards, you made that one up"
True, I did but if you believe "shall not..." is inviolate, you have to allow this too.

"you mention venues where they shouldn't be allowed, aren't LEO's allowed to have their guns in those same venues?"
This is only true when they are functioning as LEO's, remember the cop who was loaned a gun by the country singer?

"So now you're better than we are???"
Well, still not a cop Mr. retired Trooper but I defy you to show where I have EVER said or even implied that they were better, you can't.

"And how would you propose we become "well regulated"???"
Since I didn't make the rule maybe you should ask someone else.

"JR, from what I've derived from some of your posts I think you have the opinion that only LEO's are "qualified enough" to possess guns in a general setting"
If that's what you derive you are reading what they say about me and not what I say as I have never said or implied that at all.
 
I keep seeing this "well regulated" crap.. and it is crap..

Context and time period. Words and phrases may change but the documents do not..


The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
 
I keep seeing this "well regulated" crap.. and it is crap..

Context and time period. Words and phrases may change but the documents do not..



http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
I've read this before. "Oh it was a common phrase at the time and means nothing to this amendment". That's BS and you know it, the writers of the constitution didn't put in a single word that didn't have a specific purpose.

But. do go on believing it as it helps you to ignore the truth that you'd rather deny.
 
I've read this before. "Oh it was a common phrase at the time and means nothing to this amendment". That's BS and you know it, the writers of the constitution didn't put in a single word that didn't have a specific purpose.

But. do go on believing it as it helps you to ignore the truth that you'd rather deny.


OK, whatever.. goodbye.
 
Yes, they absolutely meant "Well Regulated"...but it did not mean "regulations" as we define it today. "Well regulated" was a common phrase during hat time that referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was calibrated correctly and functioning as expected. It acknowledged that for a people to be able to form a proper and functioning militia that they would need free open access to the tools that it would require.
 
Kid is 19. Young people away from positive influences and not the best at rational decisions and mix in some dope makes a bad cocktail.

This is why I am personally against armed students.
You say that like that means all students on campus can carry concealed. You know conceal carry on campus only applies to those legally able to do so which is 21 and over amongst other qualifiers . Hardly "all students."

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Yes. No matter how you think things should be in your idealized world there are people who absolutely shouldn't have guns. There are venues where they shouldn't be allowed. By your logic prison inmates should have the same weapons as the guards because "shall not be infringed". You seem to forget the part in the most holy of holy amendments that requires the holders of these guns to be "well regulated".

Name any other of the B O R that is absolute and without exception.
O please! Nobody said absolute. There are restrictions on prisoners and felons and mentally disturbed folks and illegal drug users. Nobody's arguing that.

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O please! Nobody said absolute. There are restrictions on prisoners and felons and mentally disturbed folks and illegal drug users. Nobody's arguing that.
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What do you think they mean when they keep repeating"...shall not be infringed"? Shall not be ... except for...?

Then you must be one of those "I'm for the 2nd A but", types.
 
I've got a feeling you have a hard time driving a straight line and instead drive from curb to curb. You're thinking is wildly from one side to the other.

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I've got a feeling you have a hard time driving a straight line and instead drive from curb to curb. You're thinking is wildly from one side to the other.

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Sarcasm, you can look it up.
 
Tragic! Find it difficult to understand how a kid arrested and ostensibly searched produced a firearm. May God provide peace and comfort for the family of the slain officer and guidance and strength for the family of the killer. Ruining your life at 19 has devastating effects on a family. I have seen this far too close to home...

I guarantee this kid wasn't placed under arrest and therefore was not searched at all. Campus Police face all sorts of internal restrictions on arrests, many times they "cite" students that commit criminal acts to simply attend "Student or Campus Court" where they appear to await various administrative sanctions. Students are diverted from criminal charges constantly. Campus Police are generally treated more like Security Guards with very strict limits on their enforcement ability. Very likely this kid was brought to the PD without handcuffs and repeatedly advised "understand now you aren't under arrest".

Tragic but I bet TTU does nothing to alter their policy but issue a state bemoaning the Officer's death and don some black ribbons or something on their lapels.
 
Please allow me to explain it to you. The "war on drugs" that you are referring to, the same one that I referred to as "fake", is just that: a fake war. This current "war" on drugs doesn't involve any military action, at least any of serious consequence. Where do you think these drugs are coming from? I'm not referring to marijuana btw.

We have a huge drug problem in this country. In my opinion, we are way beyond eliminating or reducing the demand. It's now time to eliminate the supply, as much as we can anyway.

Set a few examples down south that we mean business, then maybe this crap will slow down so we can get a handle on it.

I'm not real clear on how you didn't understand my first post above, but it happens I guess.


Because that worked so well at preventing drinking during Prohibition?
 
Because that worked so well at preventing drinking during Prohibition?

I see and understand your point. However, I don't recall in the history books stories of massive bombing campaigns against distilleries. There are foreign governments profiting off of the drug problem in this country. In my opinion, it's time someone is held accountable.
 
Because that worked so well at preventing drinking during Prohibition?

If they would have used warplanes to bomb and murder people in Canada, where some of the liquor was coming from, we would have won the war on the sauce!
 
Yes. No matter how you think things should be in your idealized world there are people who absolutely shouldn't have guns. There are venues where they shouldn't be allowed. By your logic prison inmates should have the same weapons as the guards because "shall not be infringed". You seem to forget the part in the most holy of holy amendments that requires the holders of these guns to be "well regulated".

Name any other of the B O R that is absolute and without exception.

Yeah, right. Where did I ever say prisoners and felons should have guns? And why should a woman, like my wife, have to be disarmed when taking night classes and parking in parking garages on campus? We also had better change the military age to 25 or more since none of these kids can be trusted with a firearm.
 
Yeah, right. Where did I ever say prisoners and felons should have guns? And why should a woman, like my wife, have to be disarmed when taking night classes and parking in parking garages on campus? We also had better change the military age to 25 or more since none of these kids can be trusted with a firearm.
You don't think prisoners or felons should have guns? That sounds like "I'm for 2 A but..."

Those soldiers are not trusted outside of the front lines and are disarmed whenever they are back home, on base or off duty so what's your point?
 
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Just to clarify my post/response above. I wouldn't have agreed with Prohibition had I been alive during that era. The drug problem, like everything else, is about money. If we can severely reduce the profit aspect of it then quite a few problems will be be reduced, not eliminated, but reduced. How we do that peacefully with all of the corruption involved is the million dollar question.

That's why I posted what I did above concerning military options. In my opinion, I don't see any other solution. Legalization would do it. However, that takes me back to the corruption. I don't think legalization would ever happen because there are too many pockets being stuffed, in this country and abroad.
 
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