Two friends, one dead and a .387 wheel gun?

Still doesn't make sense. If you EMPTY a revolver, then by definition, it is clear. Second...WTH were they thinking?

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Well my first question is how can you be charged with possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime if it's involuntary. If I run a red light, get in a fender bender and have a gun in my car can I be charged with possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime?


Second question: duh der der duh der der der ehgfsdflldhsdsdf
 
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ONLY thing I can think of is that it was a Ruger Blackhawk or other Single Action revolver. He 'thought' he'd emptied all cylinders but failed to do so.
 
Tim said:
ONLY thing I can think of is that it was a Ruger Blackhawk or other Single Action revolver. He 'thought' he'd emptied all cylinders but failed to do so.
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Same here. I thought about that also.

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So much fail! :eek:
 
Just plain dumb. Ranks right up there with the .50 pistol and the book test.
 
jodyisaacs said:
Still doesn't make sense. If you EMPTY a revolver, then by definition, it is clear. Second...WTH were they thinking?

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They were thinking the bold part, which is incorrect. It's still loaded. It's always loaded.
 
Wow. My instructor at the range the day I qualified for my CHP did the same thing but with a loaded gun. Yeah I know sounds crazy but not really. He had a guy with a revolver load one round and stand at the one yard mark facing the target with his weapon holstered. He then stood back to back with him and told him to draw and fire as soon as he felt the instructor move. He did this a couple of times and without fail each time the shot went off the instructor was 25 yards away. It gives you a good idea of what will happen if someone with a knife in hand charges from less than 25 yards away.
 
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http://www.wfxg.com/2019/03/18/investigators-augusta-man-killed-while-testing-foot-rule/

And think on that one.
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Puh leaze, this is the worst excuse for first degree murder i have ever heard and they believed it. How can we take this seriously when he said a .387?

I have heard that almost all the "gun cleaning" deaths are people who want to commit suicide but don't want the family to lose any death benefits where suicide negates a pay out. You put bore cleaner and pouches liberally around you and then pop yourself in the noggin. We should believe everything we read and what the "official" cause of death is necessarily.

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Russian roulette with a twist.
 
Schattenreiter said:
Wow. My instructor at the range the day I qualified for my CHP did the same thing but with a loaded gun. Yeah I know sounds crazy but not really. He had a guy with a revolver load one round and stand at the one yard mark facing the target with his weapon holstered. He then stood back to back with him and told him to draw and fire as soon as he felt the instructor move. He did this a couple of times and without fail each time the shot went off the instructor was 25 yards away. It gives you a good idea of what will happen if someone with a knife in hand charges from less than 25 yards away.
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25 yards! He must have been really fast? :D
 
Tim said:
ONLY thing I can think of is that it was a Ruger Blackhawk or other Single Action revolver. He 'thought' he'd emptied all cylinders but failed to do so.
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They said he pulled the trigger twice so probably not.

Sometimes a case hangs up in a cylinder especially if he didn't use the ejector and just tipped the gun up and let the rounds fall out.

Just because the reporter wrote .387 doesn't mean that's what they were told.
 
The range we were on was only marked off to 25 yards and every time the instructor was passing the last marker when the shot went off. Fastest 100 yard dash was in 9.21 seconds. 25 yards is 1/4 of that. Figure in the fact that the instructor moved first and the shooter was arms at side and holster snapped and 25 yards is not all that impressive.
 
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Puh leaze, this is the worst excuse for first degree murder i have ever heard and they believed it. How can we take this seriously when he said a .387?

I have heard that almost all the "gun cleaning" deaths are people who want to commit suicide but don't want the family to lose any death benefits where suicide negates a pay out. You put bore cleaner and pouches liberally around you and then pop yourself in the noggin. We should believe everything we read and what the "official" cause of death is necessarily.

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Just for the record, life insurance pays for suicide after 2 years of policy being in force. Not trying to prompt anyone in here or anything.

If I wanted to commit suicide and beat the suicide clause, I would "develop an interest" in cold water fishing, turn over the boat by myself on the lake, and go out via hypothermia. They say it is actually pleasant. "To Build a Fire" short story by Jack London.
 
It says possession of a firearm during the commision of a crime! Duuhh he shot someone!!

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tanstaafl72555 said:
If I wanted to commit suicide and beat the suicide clause, I would "develop an interest" in cold water fishing, turn over the boat by myself on the lake, and go out via hypothermia. They say it is actually pleasant.
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Having once fallen through an ice covered lake in Michigan while carrying a full pack I will refute the assertion that it is a pleasant experience.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Just for the record, life insurance pays for suicide after 2 years of policy being in force. Not trying to prompt anyone in here or anything.

If I wanted to commit suicide and beat the suicide clause, I would "develop an interest" in cold water fishing, turn over the boat by myself on the lake, and go out via hypothermia. They say it is actually pleasant. "To Build a Fire" short story by Jack London.
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Who says? The dead people?:D
Actually, when the shivering stops and you begin to feel warm... you're near the end. Your body us shutting down. But, this is also accompanied with significant confusion.
 
Everyone is missing the obvious. He didn't get to him before he got shot. And two trigger pulls to boot. If you are going to prove the 21 foot rule make sure you can cover 21 feet fast enough to not get shot.
 
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Who says? The dead people?:D
Actually, when the shivering stops and you begin to feel warm... you're near the end. Your body us shutting down. But, this is also accompanied with significant confusion.
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This sounds like an alternative to lethal injection for a capital sentence. Put the convict in a chilled tub, no muss no fuss.
 
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Everyone is missing the obvious. He didn't get to him before he got shot. And two trigger pulls to boot. If you are going to prove the 21 foot rule make sure you can cover 21 feet fast enough to not get shot.
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That's one reason I question the story. Not to mention the whole gun thing. The guy should have made contact before or right at the time the gun was brought to bear. Of course, we don't know the details of the exercise, if there really was one, like was the gun in a holster, did the shooter cheat, etc. etc.
Those of us that have experienced the exercise know this is very doable if not always doable. My personal first experience was with at Gunsite instructor. I was facing a target at 10ft. Jack Furr was 21ft. behind me at an angle. The challenge was, at the signal, draw and fire on the target as quickly as possible. At the same signal, Jack would start running toward me and tap me on the shoulder as he went by. I never got a round off before the tapped me on the shoulder, despite multiple tries. Not even close. We also timed my draw that day, 1.47 for two rounds on target. Subtract .25 to. 5 or so for the split of the second round and we're talking 1 to 1 1/4 second draw to round on target. I also use a shot timer app to demonstrate this. I had the developer modify his program for me. I have a 1.5sec start and stop alert. See how far you can run in 1.5sec. You'd be surprised.
When I teach knife, I up the ante. We don't really engage people at 21ft. By engage, I mean interact or communicate. We communicate at much closer distances, even with strangers. If a bad guy has you as his target, he does not show his hand (pun intended) that far away. He wants to take you by surprise and doesn't show a gun or knife until he's close. So, let's move the line to 10ft. If you can't effectively employ a gun at 21ft, how are you going to do it in 10ft? That's why a knife can be so deadly and why I shake my head every time someone says, "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight." :rolleyes: Every step I make closer to you from the 21ft. mark gives me the edge. (another pun intended) I'm already inside your reaction time. ;)
 
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Button Pusher said:
This sounds like an alternative to lethal injection for a capital sentence. Put the convict in a chilled tub, no muss no fuss.
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Except the path there isn't a pleasant one and then there's the problem sometimes with the body basically going to stasis. No measurable heartbeat or respiration. and the person appears dead. Until you warm them up. There's a saying the emergency medical world, "They're not dead until they're warm and dead." :D
It is a thought though.
 
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That was either the world's fastest runner OR the world's Slowest shooter.
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Shooter was slow but the instructor admitted he wasn't all that fast either. He told the guy to have the gun in the condition that he would actually carry it in. That includes covered, holstered with holster strap snapped. So if you figure in an inexperienced shooter having to uncover and unsnap then draw and get on target and fire it is going to take a few seconds for all that to happen. Plus he can't move till the instructor did. He was behind the curve. Saw him do it at least twice with this same guy. Both times he was at the 25 yard mark.
 
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The range we were on was only marked off to 25 yards and every time the instructor was passing the last marker when the shot went off. Fastest 100 yard dash was in 9.21 seconds. 25 yards is 1/4 of that. Figure in the fact that the instructor moved first and the shooter was arms at side and holster snapped and 25 yards is not all that impressive.
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I still think you really mean 25 feet. That's why it is called the 21 foot rule, not the 21 yard rule.
 
The 21 foot rule is widely misunderstood, just because a guy with a knife can get to you before you shoot them doesn't mean they aren't getting shot. It just means you are getting cut or stabbed too.
 
I’ve taught the 21 foot rule. On a VR range, with the guy looking at you with knife in hand and you standing there with gun in hand knowing he’s coming, only about 20% of people get a shot off. Only 5 actually hit the guy. And that was with practice. I wondered how many of those were luck? 21 feet or less and it usually goes to the knife. Just my experience.
 
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Tim said:
ONLY thing I can think of is that it was a Ruger Blackhawk or other Single Action revolver. He 'thought' he'd emptied all cylinders but failed to do so.
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My thought too until I read he squeezed the trigger twice.


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SPST said:
I still think you really mean 25 feet. That's why it is called the 21 foot rule, not the 21 yard rule.
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He really means 25 yards. An average runner can cover that distance in 3 seconds. At my best I could only draw and fire in about 2.5 seconds, and that's with an open holster unconcealed.

I thought I was a lot faster on the draw before I got a shot timer. I got a wakeup call after.
 
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