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Figured we might get a thread going instead of creating fight-specific threads that people may or may not see.

So . . . how about them women? Womens MMA is no joke. You have a killer at bantamweight in Amanda Nunes, a beast at featherweight in Cyborg, and a tiny girl with the sweetest smile in Thug Rose at strawweight.

If you missed Joanna Jedrzejczyk's title defense against Rose Namajunas, that is must-see. Joanna was a huge favorite to win b/c she's a killer and has been holding down the title for a couple of years. Nobody saw Rose winning, especially how she won that fight - straight thug!

Not sure what's next for Cyborg. Who wants a piece of that? Nobody. I'm sure some bantamweight woman would be willing to step up to get hammered for a payday, but there are no serious challengers at the moment. I think Holly retires - she's not gonna beat Nunes or Cyborg, so why bother sticking around at her age. I think she wants to have kids, so she better get started very soon. I'm sure Joanna will come back, mad as hell. I wonder if they'll make her fight a top contender before a rematch.

Then there's the men. GSP relinquished the middleweight belt, and I don't see him coming back for another fight at that weight - it was a helluva return to the octagon, but c'mon now. Looking forward to seeing him at welterweight - GSP v Woodley!

Mac - who knows. Dude is rich now after suckering people into that farce w/ Mayweather. Could be a while before he's back. And would he really want to come back against Ferguson or Khabib?

Talk of TJ Dillashaw dropping down to 125 to fight Mighty Mouse Johnson. Dunno how he'd manage - he looked ripped in the bantamweight title fight against Garbrandt. Gonna have to do one of those Macgregor style cuts. He'd be real dangerous for Johnson.

Ngannou vs Miocic coming up.

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UFC? I just want to know exactly W T F Dana White is thinking trying to become a boxing promoter? There were rumors that he was in talks with Mayweather about getting him in the octagon, but evidently he was asking advice on boxing promotions. He's obviously done really well with the UFC and could potentially fare ok in boxing, but why? Ego?

As far as the stuff you mentioned... Women's MMA is definitely on the up! Is it bad that I look forward to some women's fights more than I do most of the men's on the card? Rose definitely proved she's tough but I see Jedrzejczyk taking the title back in a rematch. I think you're right Holm will retire and Cyborg? I don't see anybody taking her title, unless she gets injured.
Not sure why GSP came back but I don't see him staying long.
I would love to see Mac fight Khabib!
Dillashaw, not sure he could handle the cut to fight Johnson.
 
Khabib. I wanna see him fight ferguson and Mac in one night. I think he can beat them both in one night like he said! Was in shock how easily he ragdolled barbosa and just walked through everything he threw.

Mighty vs Dillsahaw. I think DJ beats TJ.
TJ is one of very best we have seen. But DJ IS the best. The dude is a little bully. He doesn't just beat people, he beats them at their own game. When people think they are stronger, he shows them they are weaker. Can't wait to see this fight!

Miocic vs ngannou: gonna be awesome. Don't know how anybody could beat the African? That guys hands are solid gold. What a scary dude. But Stipe is a giant killer.

Not sure about Cyborg. The sport is still growing. It's gonna be awhile before we see more contenders. Brand new weight class too. I really enjoy the women.
Looking seeing rose and Joanna fight again!
 
Im not the fan I used to be. Dont have friends that are into it, we dont pool our money to buy the fights etc

I dont know all the players like I used to.

That said, I would love to see Mayweather get his butt beat in the octagon...but we all know that'll never happen.
 
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Not sure why GSP came back but I don't see him staying long.
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I dunno. He looked decent against Bisping. And he'd look even better at 170. In any case, he's out for a bit w/ medical issues. Classy move on his part to immediately relinquish the middleweight belt. He could have held on to it for months, like Macgregor did, until the UFC took it from him.

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Khabib. I wanna see him fight ferguson and Mac in one night. I think he can beat them both in one night like he said! Was in shock how easily he ragdolled barbosa and just walked through everything he threw.
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Yeah, that was a dominant performance. Mac is good at keeping/closing distance for his strikes - can Khabib walk through Mac's left landing on his chin? If so, Khabib can punish Mac. But I'd like to see it.

That said, having Mac as champion is great for the UFC (assuming he's actually going to come back and fight), and I'm not sure they are in a rush to throw him to Khabib and potentially have Khabib as champ. Mac is, well, Mac, and his shtick sells.

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Mighty vs Dillsahaw. I think DJ beats TJ.
TJ is one of very best we have seen. But DJ IS the best. The dude is a little bully. He doesn't just beat people, he beats them at their own game. When people think they are stronger, he shows them they are weaker. Can't wait to see this fight!
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If TJ can make the weight, it seems to me he'll be a big flyweight. Not sure DJ is gonna bully him. For sure, it's a compelling matchup. We'll get to find out if Mighty Mouse is as good as his record or if he, like Rousey, is just dominating a weaker division.

But let's see if TJ can make the weight. He looked pretty ripped for his last fight.
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Was on the UFC rankings page and just noticed that they started up the women's flyweight division: http://www.ufc.com/rankings?id=
Sweet!

I'd like to see Shevchenko drop down to flyweight - she might be a monster in that division. She seems a bit undersized for bantamweight compared to the likes of Nunes, Holm, etc. Not that she can't compete at bantamweight, but why swim uphill when she might be able to swim downhill at flyweight.
 
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Yeah, that was a dominant performance. Mac is good at keeping/closing distance for his strikes - can Khabib walk through Mac's left landing on his chin? If so, Khabib can punish Mac. But I'd like to see it.

That said, having Mac as champion is great for the UFC (assuming he's actually going to come back and fight), and I'm not sure they are in a rush to throw him to Khabib and potentially have Khabib as champ. Mac is, well, Mac, and his shtick sells.

If TJ can make the weight, it seems to me he'll be a big flyweight. Not sure DJ is gonna bully him. For sure, it's a compelling matchup. We'll get to find out if Mighty Mouse is as good as his record or if he, like Rousey, is just dominating a weaker division.

But let's see if TJ can make the weight. He looked pretty ripped for his last fight.
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Reis, Borg, Cajudo: all bigger guys that were not supposed to get bullied.
Cajudo: Olympic gold medal wrestler.
After MM tap dances on their faces he just walks up, clinches them, man handles them to the ground and either submits them or KOs them.
But TJ is on another level. I believe he's top 5 pound for pound and maybe #2 behind MM.

But I don't know, MM has wrecked so many guys and been completely unhurt. Like he just got done taking his wife to dinner!

That "weaker division" is such crap. Joseph Benivedez, for example, is one of the best fighters we have ever seen. I don't know how anybody could watch MM and not recognize GOAT greatness. Some just don't like watches my lighter divisions. That's fine. It's just my opinion of him.

Macs left hook is legit. He's legit. But a Barbosa kick to the dome is legit, too! Those barbosa body kicks didn't seem to phase Khabib at all.
Better land that left, because once Khabib gets too control, it's curtains for Mac!
 
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That "weaker division" is such crap.
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Many would have said exactly the same thing about womens bantamweight right up until Holly DESTROYED the reigning, defending, utterly undisputed champ. After the belt bounced around after the headkick seen around the world, and eventually ended up on Nunes waist, is there anyone who doesn't acknowledge that women's bantamweight is now a much better division than it was during Rousey's reign?
 
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I have not watched one in ages..for the same reasons HMP listed. Too costly for one person to buy and watch.

On that note...GSP may never be back..ulcerative colitis is no joke and the medications for such usually involve steroids...so he may decide it is just not worth it.

The hw division got save with Ngannou (sp) ...before him it was retread after retread...now we have a legitimate challenge that could lead to a couple fights at least.

Demtrious Johnson is gonna have to move up in weight...he is just too dominant at his weight.

Khabib may be a scum for being sponsored with a warlord and criminal...but he can fight....he needs a shot and needs to keep healthy long enough to actually fight.

I also see there is an event coming up in Charlotte..Brunson is from NC so hopefully he will have a good turnout and put on a show. He has real potential.
 
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Many would have said exactly the same thing about womens bantamweight right up until Holly DESTROYED the reigning, defending, utterly undisputed champ. After the belt bounced around after the headkick seen around the world, and eventually ended up on Nunes waist, is there anyone who doesn't acknowledge that women's bantamweight is now a much better division than it was during Rousey's reign?
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Only to get choked out by Meisha in her next fight (who Rhonda tapped twice) and lose 3 of her next four.
That's the rest of the story. Rhonda was no fluke!
But I agree division is stronger and better, but discounting Rhonda as some kind of fluke or overrated is bs, imo.
 
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I have not watched one in ages..for the same reasons HMP listed. Too costly for one person to buy and watch.
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To add to this, and my original post - one reason that we (my friends and I) stopped doing the fights is they became far more frequent.
15 years ago it seemed like it was one every 6-8 weeks
Now it seems there is a dang PPV each month!
 
Rhonda was not a fluke...but she benefitted from the talent level being thin. Much like the early UFC there simply were not enough quality fighters to create real depth.

Too bad she had a horrible trainer and never expanded her game.
 
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Only to get choked out by Meisha in her next fight (who Rhonda tapped twice) and lose 3 of her next four.
That's the rest of the story. Rhonda was no fluke!
But I agree division is stronger and better, but discounting Rhonda as some kind of fluke or overrated is bs, imo.
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I'm not saying Rhonda is a fluke. I'm saying her stature is a fluke of history.

If Rhonda came into MMA today, would she be destroying the competition the way she did, taking out most opponents in the first round?

Same argument could be made for the Gracies - some of those guys were fighting much larger men. Could they do that today?

To be sure, Rousey helped make womens MMA what it is today, but the reality is that the level of competition is a lot better than when she was queen bee.

Same thing happens in all sports as they grow in popularity and money, and thus attract more talent, better techniques, better training, etc.
 
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I thougth the first girl to really get MMA recognition for women was the Gina Gurrano girl.
 
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I'm not saying Rhonda is a fluke. I'm saying her stature is a fluke of history.

If Rhonda came into MMA today, would she be destroying the competition the way she did, taking out most opponents in the first round?

Same argument could be made for the Gracies - some of those guys were fighting much larger men. Could they do that today?

To be sure, Rousey helped make womens MMA what it is today, but the reality is that the level of competition is a lot better than when she was queen bee.

Same thing happens in all sports as they grow in popularity and money, and thus attract more talent, better techniques, better training, etc.
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If Jimi Hendrix came out to day nobody would know who he is.
Ok. Still great.
 
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Paige VanZant broke her arm in yesterday's fight when her spinning back fist landed her forearm against opponent's head: http://www.mmaweekly.com/paige-vanz...red-in-first-round-against-jessica-rose-clark

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Paige got thrown to the wolves and IMO has shown her toughness in amazing fights. Lost 3 of her last 4 (one loss to current champion). So it doesn't look good on paper, but she's young and fought her ass of in those losses.

I'm a big fan. Hope she comes back stronger!
 
Heavyweight Title fight coming up!

Ngannou vs. Miocic.

Ngannou likely strongest/toughest dude named Francis ever in the history of man. I am hopin to see Stipe give him hell.
 
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Paige got thrown to the wolves and IMO has shown her toughness in amazing fights. Lost 3 of her last 4 (one loss to current champion). So it doesn't look good on paper, but she's young and fought her ass of in those losses.

I'm a big fan. Hope she comes back stronger!
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I'm a big fan of hers as well. She's definitely a tough cookie to be so cute!
 
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Been a bit since I’ve watched a match.

Cost and time (being dad takes most of my time).

I try to keep up though. Sorry I missed the tag in the thread from the start
 
Stipe vs Francis: we should be discussing this!

I want to say Francis is gonna KO Stipe.
But Stipe ain't no joke!
 
DC totally outclassed Volkan. Beat him standing up, and demolished him on the ground. Volkan isn't in the same league. Rogan and Cruz were talking about DC possibly going up to heavyweight. I don't get it. I know he's fought at heavyweight before, but it seems to me that if UFC had a 195 class (and they should), DC should go down to it. At 205, he's carrying quite a bit of fat, so it should be easy for him to get to 195. And he would dominate there because he wouldn't be dealing with as much of a height/length disadvantage as he is at 205, nevermind 225+. Obviously the length disadvantage isn't a big deal with someone of a lower skill level like Volkan, but it's a huge deal against someone highly skilled, like Jon Jones.

Ngannou is a freak of nature. Big, strong, and scary explosive - those punches are concussion-makers. Stipe proved to be a giant killer once again. But even in the 2nd and 3rd rounds when Ngannou was gassed and his punches considerably slower, he still hit Stipe hard enough to remind Stipe that he needed to take this to ground immediately and not dance with this giant - not that Stipe wasn't able to hold his own standing up, but Ngannou's punches are huge threats for a one-punch KO. Ngannou's MMA skills are very underdeveloped, so he can only get better - better kicks, better takedown defense, better ground game, and better cardio. As he gets better, he will be a nightmare in the heavyweight division.

Edit: Speaking of divisions, in addition to a 195 weight class, they really need to break heavyweight up into at least 2 weight classes. Maybe 225 and 245. Ngannou looked humongous relative to Stipe. I'm sure UFC will do this (and even move to 10-15lb increments above middleweight) as the talent fills out to support multiple weight classes.
 
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Ngannou has strongest punch ever measured of all UFC fighters.
He's a freak of nature!
 
15lb seems a bit extreme of a spread. 195 vs 180 is getting to be a bit extreme, but it’s up the smaller one to gain weight.
 
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15lb seems a bit extreme of a spread. 195 vs 180 is getting to be a bit extreme, but it’s up the smaller one to gain weight.
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Up to 155, the jumps are 10lbs; after 155, the jumps are 15-20lbs: 155 > 170 > 185 > 205 > anything goes (265 max IIRC)

As the talent pool gets deeper, they'll add more weight classes and bring these gaps down. There just isn't enough talent in the heavyweight division to break it into 2 or 3 weight classes. You'll know there's enough talent when it becomes impossible for a guy who gives up as much size as Stipe did to Ngannou to pull off a win. And when there's enough talent, it won't be in the realm of possibility for someone DC's size to beat someone who is lean at 225.

Similar thing happened w/ womens - they had 115 and 135 and as the talent pool grew, they finally created a 125 division (which I'd love to see Shevchenko drop down to).
 
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I could see that.
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To take it one step further - when the bigger divisions get more competitive, a guy DC's size won't be able to (mostly) dominate the light heavyweight (205) division (nevermind competing successfully at heavyweight, which DC did). You don't see anyone in the lightweight or smaller divisions weigh in with as high a bodyfat % as DC - they can't, competition is too good to be giving up so much size (muscle mass and length) to a competitor.
 
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