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Conor can take care of him. He's a shit fighter anyhow.
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Yep and yep.

But Conor's actions injured 2 other fighters and forced them out of their fights, wasting their training camps and costing them fight money.

The one thing I'll credit Conor for is his fight promotion persona is looking like less of a pure acting ploy; the guy seems to be a bit unhinged. Or maybe he's crazy like a fox, risking minor criminal charges to build up his "The Notorious" persona and increase future fight paydays.
 
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Crap!

Featherweight champion Max Holloway (19-3 MMA, 15-3 UFC) is going to be denied his shot at history in the headliner against Khabib Nurmagomedov (25-0 MMA, 9-0 UFC). Holloway today was declared medically unfit to fight, a promotion official told MMAjunkie at the UFC 223 weigh-ins in Brooklyn, N.Y. The New York State Athletic Commission later made a formal announcement.

“With much regret, and after careful review, a joint decision was made between the state athletic commission and the UFC,” Kim Sumbler, the executive director of the NYSAC, told reporters at the official weigh-ins. “We’ve deemed Mr. Holloway medically unfit to attend the scales (to weigh in). No further comments at this time. We apologize.”

Man, this card is cursed. 4 fights scrapped now, 2 from the main card, 2 from the prelims.
 
It should be important to note the Khabib, with his crew of Dagestani dirtbags, caught Artem when he was alone backstage and surrounded and harassed and maybe slapped him. So Mac likely not happy about that.
Not defending him but there was some context to his behavior and he’s well known for team loyalty.

Man, it would be so magnificent if Ragin Al knock out Khabib!
 
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It should be important to note the Khabib, with his crew of Dagestani dirtbags, caught Artem when he was alone backstage and surrounded and harassed and maybe slapped him. So Mac likely not happy about that.
Not defending him but there was some context to his behavior and he’s well known for team loyalty.

Man, it would be so magnificent if Ragin Al knock out Khabib!
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It wasn't backstage, it was at the hotel. And yes, Khabib did slap Artem. But there's context for that too, which was Artem talking crap about Khabib. Also, it doesn't look like Artem was alone, but who knows which guys were with which party.

Mac's team loyalty totally overshadowed a teammate's win when Mac ran into the ring and ended up knocking over a fighter who had been KO'ed seconds earlier. And now it cost Artem a fight, though it sounds like Artem was with the Mac crew, so he owns that bit of dumbassery.
 
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It wasn't backstage, it was at the hotel. And yes, Khabib did slap Artem. But there's context for that too, which was Artem talking crap about Khabib. Also, it doesn't look like Artem was alone, but who knows which guys were with which party.

Mac's team loyalty totally overshadowed a teammate's win when Mac ran into the ring and ended up knocking over a fighter who had been KO'ed seconds earlier. And now it cost Artem a fight, though it sounds like Artem was with the Mac crew, so he owns that bit of dumbassery.
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Backstage/hotel/wherever.

Just providing some context. He was surrounded by Khabib and his team. Didn’t look like anybody on Artemis team was there.
So slapping him for “talking shit” while he was alone (or with a couple random dudes) while you are surrounded with your team of eastern euro goons is a bad look. And, might lead to further discussion when Conor and team finds out.
Sheesh, even Diaz saw it that way.
 
Curious to see how this affects PPV purchases, with that many fights off of the card (over a third?), will people still tune in?(at least at the regular rate for a PPV ufc fight)
 
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Backstage/hotel/wherever.

Just providing some context. He was surrounded by Khabib and his team. Didn’t look like anybody on Artemis team was there.
So slapping him for “talking shit” while he was alone (or with a couple random dudes) while you are surrounded with your team of eastern euro goons is a bad look. And, might lead to further discussion when Conor and team finds out.
Sheesh, even Diaz saw it that way.
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Agreed that Khabib was out of line. But Conor's reaction wasn't in the heat of the moment. He had at least a day and a transatlantic flight to contemplate his plan of action, and the best he could come up with is one that results in fight-cancelling injuries to 2 other fighters and leaves Khabib laughing?

And of course Diaz saw it that way! I would expect nothing less of Nick or Nate.
 
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Curious to see how this affects PPV purchases, with that many fights off of the card (over a third?), will people still tune in?(at least at the regular rate for a PPV ufc fight)
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I think the PPV total will be lower, but not 50% lower.

I don't think the lower fights matter that much to people who aren't friends/family with the fighters involved - i.e., people may be interested in watching, but those fights aren't make/break on whether to buy the PPV.

Khabib v Ferguson was a huge fight, so you definitely lose some PPV buyers there. But some people will want to see Khabib fight anyone, just to see if this guy is gonna deliver another mauling (the look on Barboza's face when he was getting the business from Khabib was priceless). And the co-main event is a HUGE fight, IMHO. I'm as interested in the Rose v Joanna rematch as I was in Khabib v Ferguson.

And after Conor's witting or unwitting antics, if Khabib wins, a Conor v Khabib fight for the LW title would be YUGE.
 
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Zabit v Bochniak was a really entertaining fight. The 145 division is getting to be full of taller guys. Zabit is 6'1", and there's Ortega and Holloway. Zabit is super smooth and explosive, but not a lot of power in anything he's throwing otherwise Bochniak wouldn't be dropping his hands and getting in his face so often.

Joanna has a real problem. Used to be that Rose was superior on the ground, and Joanna had the better standup, but now we've got two consecutive fights where Rose has beaten Joanna on her feet. Even if you dismiss the prior 1 round fight as a fluke, Rose beat Joanna standing in a 5 round match, taking 3 of the rounds. Thug Rose is the real deal.

While Khabib won, it was a very underwhelming victory. Credit to Iaquinta for going the distance in a 5 round fight against a much higher ranked opponent on 1 day's notice when he had only been training for a 3 round fight.

Ferguson must be so pissed at himself for tripping on some cables (from wearing sunglasses indoors?) and injuring his knee. And Holloway must be bummed that he couldn't successfully meet weight. And Conor is definitely going to come back soon, assuming he doesn't go to prison for a bit (one of the charges is a felony). Because Khabib looked far more beatable than he did against Barboza. Conor would knock Khabib's head off his shoulders if Khabib fought like he did last night. He's a bear on the ground, but he's a lousy striker, and he couldn't take Iaquinta down as easily later in the fight as he did in the first two rounds.
 
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Love Clint Smith's take on MMC. He says it's the best thing that ever happened to training. Famous quote to some of his folks about Rhonda R...Yeah, she may have lost a fight or 2, but she would knock YOUR head to Wyfuckinoming!
 
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Love Clint Smith's take on MMC. He says it's the best thing that ever happened to training. Famous quote to some of his folks about Rhonda R...Yeah, she may have lost a fight or 2, but she would knock YOUR head to Wyfuckinoming!
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IMHO, this is a silly argument: essentially, you should not be critical of anyone in any field unless you are at least that person's equal in that field.

Don't like a movie? Who are you to criticize? When is the last time you've directed a movie?

Don't like the way your kid's teacher does her job? What's your experience handling a classroom with 30 kids?

Don't like the decisions the President is making? Shut yer damn trap unless you've sat behind the desk in the Oval Office.

Think Rhonda Rousey was overhyped? Your opinion is invalid because she can armbar you!
 
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drypowder said:
IMHO, this is a silly argument: essentially, you should not be critical of anyone in any field unless you are at least that person's equal in that field.

Don't like a movie? Who are you to criticize? When is the last time you've directed a movie?

Don't like the way your kid's teacher does her job? What's your experience handling a classroom with 30 kids?

Don't like the decisions the President is making? Shut yer damn trap unless you've sat behind the desk in the Oval Office.

Think Rhonda Rousey was overhyped? Your opinion is invalid because she can armbar you!
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Man, I’d kick her ass so bad.
 
UFC just posted the video of the Rousey v Nunes fight mauling.

Not for those who think Holly's destruction of Rousey was a fluke, or who hold any hope that Rhonda will ever come back to the octagon.

 
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Nunes vs Rocky coming up. That should be a good fight. Rocky has hands unlike Rhonda.
 
Curtis Blaydes going through the rather thin heavyweight field. 4 wins in a row, with the last two against Hunt and Overeem. At the very least, he should get a rematch with Ngannou, and I think his wrestling is just too much for Ngannou, so as long as he avoids the big shot (and he's not going to stand and trade), he'll win that too.

I had unreasonably high expectations for Megan Anderson. She was thoroughly dominated by Holly, so the idea that she was going to pose a serious threat to Cyborg is pure fantasy. But she's young and inexperienced, so she can certainly get a lot better. It shows how thin the womens featherweight field is that she won her last 4 fights at Invicta and was Invicta's featherweight champ. So we're back to there being no serious challenger to Cyborg. Holly is second best at featherweight and even she's not a serious threat to Cyborg. Sounds like Holly is going back to 135, which makes sense - she can make and perform well at that weight, and there is no path for her at 145.

Romero got robbed. He rocked Whittaker multiple times and Whittaker never really phased him. As Rogan put it, the most significant strike by Whittaker was a headkick that Romero "ate like a tic-tac". Whittaker does have a ton of heart though - he recovered from multiple bell ringers that could have put a lot of guys out. But if this is how they're going to score Romero's fights, then his only option is to win by KO/TKO. There should be a rematch - not that Whittaker would want that, given the number of times his brain got bounced around in his skull.
 
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Romero missed weight again. I'm glad he lost, heh.
 
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Romero missed weight again. I'm glad he lost, heh.
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He didn't lose. He got pummeled by the judges.

Romero visibly hurt Whittaker so many times I lost count. Whittaker didn't put Romero in danger even once. The scoring was a travesty.

If you show the average guy that fight, he will say Romero whooped Whittaker. It reminds me of the NFL's byzantine catch rule, where what most people consider a catch may not be a catch under the NFL's silly rules. Same with this fight.

Agree on the missing weight. For a "soldier of God", his discipline sucks.
 
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For those who haven't seen the fight, this video captures most of the action. Watch this and tell me who got beat up.



Again, much respect to Whittaker for recovering from shots that could have led to finishes on other fighters. But he got rocked and Romero didn't.
 
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drypowder said:
He didn't lose. He got pummeled by the judges.

Romero visibly hurt Whittaker so many times I lost count. Whittaker didn't put Romero in danger even once. The scoring was a travesty.

If you show the average guy that fight, he will say Romero whooped Whittaker. It reminds me of the NFL's byzantine catch rule, where what most people consider a catch may not be a catch under the NFL's silly rules. Same with this fight.

Agree on the missing weight. For a "soldier of God", his discipline sucks.
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It only matters who scored the most points in the most rounds, or who gets KO'd or submitted. Romero clearly won two rounds, but he didn't win them all. Whittaker retained the title no matter what anyway, and had every right to completely refuse the fight, because for the second time, Romero couldn't manage to make weight as all professionals are required to do. Second title fight in a row he's missed weight. IMO, he should be required to go up a weight division. So, the title was never on the line.

I watched the whole fight. I thought it was a very close amazing fight, and I think Bobby Knuckles clearly retained the belt and won 3 rounds, especially considering he fought 4 rounds with a broken hand! Just my opinion. He landed far more shots and Romeros face showed it.

Romero is a beast and he's awesome, he fought a GREAT fight, but he needs to make weight or go up.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/06cd9812e2b9b747
 
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It only matters who scored the most points in the most rounds, or who gets KO'd or submitted. Romero clearly won two rounds, but he didn't win them all. Whittaker retained the title no matter what anyway, and had every right to completely refuse the fight, because for the second time, Romero couldn't manage to make weight as all professionals are required to do. Second title fight in a row he's missed weight. IMO, he should be required to go up a weight division. So, the title was never on the line.

I watched the whole fight. I thought it was a very close amazing fight, and I think Bobby Knuckles clearly retained the belt and won 3 rounds, especially considering he fought 4 rounds with a broken hand! Just my opinion. He landed far more shots and Romeros face showed it.

Romero is a beast and he's awesome, he fought a GREAT fight, but he needs to make weight or go up.

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I understand the rules. My point is the rules don't jive with how most guys think of fights, just like the NFL's catch rule doesn't jive with how most guys think of catches. In other words, the scoring rules suck.

But if we're talking about the scoring by the current rules, how does Romero not win rounds 3 and 5 by 10-8? I'd also argue that he should have gotten round 4 by 10-9 or a draw on that round if that's even possible w/in the rules.

None of this other stuff should matter as it relates to scoring: that Romero didn't make weight, that Whittaker could have refused the fight, that the title wasn't on the line, or that Whittaker broke his hand. I give Whittaker a lot of credit for putting up with this BS, but it shouldn't have any effect on scoring the actual fight.

I think the fact that this wasn't a title fight put pressure on the UFC to ensure that Whittaker got the win (if they could barely plausibly give it to him) to avoid the spectacle of having a champion who lost the fight but retained the belt.

Yes, Whittaker landed more shots. But anyone watching these guys fight and not thinking in terms of scoring rules, but in terms of who beat up who, is going to say Romero won. Again, he HURT Whittaker multiple times - i.e., put him in danger. Whittaker didn't hurt Romero once. If they are going to keep these rules, they should change their name to USC - Ultimate Scoring Championship.
 
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drypowder said:
I understand the rules. My point is the rules don't jive with how most guys think of fights, just like the NFL's catch rule doesn't jive with how most guys think of catches.

But if we're talking about the scoring, how does Romero not win rounds 3 and 5 by 10-8? I'd argue that he should have gotten round 4 by 10-9.

None of this other stuff should matter as it relates to scoring: that Romero didn't make weight, that Whittaker could have refused the fight, that the title wasn't on the line, or that Whittaker broke his hand.

I think the fact that this wasn't a title fight put pressure on the UFC to ensure that Whittaker got the win (if they could barely plausibly give it to him) to avoid the spectacle of having a champion who lost the fight but retained the belt.

Yes, Whittaker landed more shots. But anyone watching these guys fight and not thinking in terms of scoring rules, but in terms of who beat up who, is going to say Romero won. Again, he HURT Whittaker multiple times - i.e., put him in danger. Whittaker didn't hurt Romero once.

Whittaker may never be the same fighter after having his brain bounced around so many times in one fight. There's a reason for the NFL's concussion protocol. Whittaker suffered some cumulative trauma by fighting through those bell ringers.
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You are right none of that should matter, but it needs to be said if you feel this is some sort of robbery. He didn't even deserve to be in the ring because he could not meet the basic agreed upon weight for the fight. In many organizations, they penalize by actually taking points in the fight itself. So it certainly bears remembering, because those points would have made this a loss still.

He didn't hurt Romero once? Look at the dudes face!! Yes he hurt him. And Romero certainly hurt Whittaker. Those knockdowns won him rounds, but they didn't win him the fight.

You don't have to agree with the decision (many people agree with you), but I hope you at least agree that many educated fans and a lot of pros had Whittaker winning. Many scored it a draw, with one equal round and two each. This is the nature of decisions, and this was a close fight.

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Whittaker may never be the same fighter after having his brain bounced around so many times in one fight. There's a reason for the NFL's concussion protocol. Whittaker suffered some cumulative trauma by fighting through those bell ringers.

And how about Romero - 41 years old! In his prior fight, Rockhold said that hitting Romero was like hitting a brick wall, and in this fight, Whittaker said Romero hits like a truck (plus his hand injury gives credence to Rockhold's comment).

Imagine Romero started MMA much younger. He would dominate - assuming he could make weight.

What I don't understand about him is how an Olympic wrestler relies so much on standup instead of using more ground and pound?
 
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You are right none of that should matter, but it needs to be said if you feel this is some sort of robbery. He didn't even deserve to be in the ring because he could not meet the basic agreed upon weight for the fight. In many organizations, they penalize by actually taking points in the fight itself. So it certainly bears remembering, because those points would have made this a loss still.
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Good point.

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He didn't hurt Romero once? Look at the dudes face!! Yes he hurt him.
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He never put Romero in danger - that's what I mean by "hurt". Yeah, he tagged him many times with that left, but Romero was never on the verge of getting KO/TKO'ed. Whittaker was, multiple times.

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You don't have to agree with the decision (many people agree with you), but I hope you at least agree that many educated fans and a lot of pros had Whittaker winning. Many scored it a draw, with one equal round and two each. This is the nature of decisions, and this was a close fight.
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For sure, it was a close fight by the scoring rules, so by definition, I can see how some had Whittaker winning by those rules.

I think this fight was a good case for why the rules should be changed. Again, UFC or USC.
 
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Good point.

He never put Romero in danger - that's what I mean by "hurt". Yeah, he tagged him many times with that left, but Romero was never on the verge of getting KO/TKO'ed. Whittaker was, multiple times.

For sure, it was a close fight by the scoring rules, so by definition, I can see how some had Whittaker winning by those rules.

I think this fight was a good case for why the rules should be changed. Again, UFC or USC.
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Well, I would have been satisfied either way, and even with a draw. It was an epic fight and one of the best I can remember!

Dudes are both badass.
 
How about that stacked UFC 226 fight card.

DC v Stipe for the heavyweight title
Ortega v Holloway for the featherweight title
Derrick Lewis v Ngannou
 
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Definitely get on Derrick Lewis on instagram. Dudes funny.

I hope the Black Beast can win. But Ngannou is freakish.
 
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Holloway is out. https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/7/...26-featherweight-title-bout-with-brian-ortega

Max’s team and UFC staff noticed Max was not normal since late last week. This became obvious to many watching his interviews and public appearances the past few days.

He was showing concussion like symptoms before he even started his weight cut and was rushed to the ER on Monday where they admitted him over night. Initial scans seemed okay and he was released Tuesday afternoon but symptoms still continued.

Max fought with his team to continue with the fight. He showed some improvement over the next day but was still showing obvious symptoms. After open workouts he crashed and was very hard to wake up, when he did he had flashing vision and slurred speech.

Wow. I wonder if he suffered a concussion during training or if this is the effect of cumulative hits to the head.
 
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Holloway is out. https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/7/...26-featherweight-title-bout-with-brian-ortega

Max’s team and UFC staff noticed Max was not normal since late last week. This became obvious to many watching his interviews and public appearances the past few days.

He was showing concussion like symptoms before he even started his weight cut and was rushed to the ER on Monday where they admitted him over night. Initial scans seemed okay and he was released Tuesday afternoon but symptoms still continued.

Max fought with his team to continue with the fight. He showed some improvement over the next day but was still showing obvious symptoms. After open workouts he crashed and was very hard to wake up, when he did he had flashing vision and slurred speech.

Wow. I wonder if he suffered a concussion during training or if this is the effect of cumulative hits to the head.
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Some of these fighters are too tough for their own good. These Hawaiins seem to pride themselves on their ability to block punches and kicks with their faces.
Heh.

But seriously.
 
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