Ugh... one bird too many. How screwed am I?

Can you expound on this. I believe what you are saying but just curious if there is any evidence or articles you could link. I believe the way flounder regulations have been recently handled is also political. If there were biological reasons to close recreational fishing they would have stopped commercial fishing in NC waters as well. Also VA and S.C. made no changes to their regulations that I am aware of.
You can google things as well as I. :D

I don't keep a list of articles at the ready but want I mentioned is true non the less.
 
If there were no limits on Foxes how long do you think it would be before there were none left?? And the reason for seasons is mainly to provide a degree of protection during their breeding seasons. But I'm sure you knew that......
What I know is in counties where people that run dogs (money) the restrictions are ridiculous. In the counties that do not have those type of political pressures, the are lax.
So if you really think its because they care about the “animal”, I got nothing for ya.
 
If there were no limits on Foxes how long do you think it would be before there were none left?? And the reason for seasons is mainly to provide a degree of protection during their breeding seasons. But I'm sure you knew that......
This is the same line of thinking that says the cops stand between the people and the devolution into savage anarchy at the hands of criminals. Its a facetious argument.

This thread is an example of why I, and more people by the day, have become disgusted with the legal system. Beastiality cops, just what the world needs.
 
This is the same line of thinking that says the cops stand between the people and the devolution into savage anarchy at the hands of criminals. Its a facetious argument.

This thread is an example of why I, and more people by the day, have become disgusted with the legal system. Beastiality cops, just what the world needs.

And opinions are like........well, you know.....
 
Game laws, IMO, are a prime example of good intentions being the mother of all evil. And, as it happens, a first world issue.

It has been my experience that places where they actually wish to conserve and manage their game effectively will have harsher, voluntary restrictions in some cases and turn a blind eye to the dumber aspects of illegal actions in other regards and they have the largest and healthiest herds of deer, flocks of dove and coveys of quail or whatever they are managing.

There have always been poachers and those that trophy hunt out of season, at night and any other violations of the laws you can think of. I would hazard a guess that the game wardens only manage to catch 1-5% of the people who don't care at all about the laws and take whatever they want whenever they want.

What they do manage to do, on a regular basis, is catch people who meant no harm but accidentally violate the law. Or catch folks who know the law and take a tiny step over the line. In essence they give out speeding tickets to fund the state to continue to hand out more speeding tickets.

I think that arguments like "All the deer will be harvested in 6 months if we didn't have seasons and limits" are about as valid as the "There will be blood in the streets if you allow everyone to carry a gun". The evidence just isn't there. We had decades in this country with no game laws and we didn't eliminate all the game in the land. And that during a time when a lot of the population didn't have meat on the table every night if they didn't kill it themselves.

Just my opinion and as valid or as right or wrong as anyone else's.
 
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"Accidentally violate the law" WTH is that? The state publishes the game laws on an annual basis, if your going to hunt (or fish) in this state it would behoove you to read and understand all of the 96 pages in the booklet. But if someone can't be bothered, or is incapable of reading 96 pages the changes from last year are highlighted in RED ink.
I doubt if your old enough to recall hunting in the 60's and 70's when a deer hunter could go all year and NOT see a single deer. No one shot at doves because there were so few and not a good use of a shell. Who was to blame?? The market hunters with Punt guns that could wipe out 1000 ducks with a single shot. Until the states began outlawing certain practices the game was far and few between. Since enforcement began the resources have more or less rebounded and are what we enjoy today.
And comparing managing a resource to speeding alludes me....
 
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"Accidentally violate the law" WTH is that? The state publishes the game laws on an annual basis, if your going to hunt (or fish) in this state it would behoove you to read and understand all of the 96 pages in the booklet. But if someone can't be bothered, or is incapable of reading 96 pages the changes from last year are highlighted in RED ink.
I doubt if your old enough to recall hunting in the 60's and 70's when a deer hunter could go all year and NOT see a single deer. No one shot at doves because there were so few and not a good use of a shell. Who was to blame?? The market hunters with Punt guns that could wipe out 1000 ducks with a single shot. Until the states began outlawing certain practices the game was far and few between. Since enforcement began the resources have more or less rebounded and are what we enjoy today.
And comparing managing a resource to speeding alludes me....
Ok, explain to me why you have to hunt a turkey with a shotgun with a very full choke, instead of just a small caliber rifle? :p
 
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I think that arguments like "All the deer will be harvested in 6 months if we didn't have seasons and limits" are about as valid as the "There will be blood in the streets if you allow everyone to carry a gun". The evidence just isn't there. We had decades in this country with no game laws and we didn't eliminate all the game in the land. And that during a time when a lot of the population didn't have meat on the table every night if they didn't kill it themselves.

Just my opinion and as valid or as right or wrong as anyone else's.

Yeah we didn't eliminate all the game. Just passenger pigeons, bison, eastern elk, and came very close with deer, turkeys, rocky mountain elk, ducks, etc.
 
Yeah we didn't eliminate all the game. Just passenger pigeons, bison, eastern elk, and came very close with deer, turkeys, rocky mountain elk, ducks, etc.
Then the vast, vast majority stopped hunting. And New Yorkers introduced starlings to replace passenger pigeons(Thanks, guys!). And life found a way. I don't see most people going back to hunting on their own. Different world/culture. Bison will probably be pretty far to back within 20 years.
 
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"Accidentally violate the law" WTH is that? The state publishes the game laws on an annual basis, if your going to hunt (or fish) in this state it would behoove you to read and understand all of the 96 pages in the booklet. But if someone can't be bothered, or is incapable of reading 96 pages the changes from last year are highlighted in RED ink.
I doubt if your old enough to recall hunting in the 60's and 70's when a deer hunter could go all year and NOT see a single deer. No one shot at doves because there were so few and not a good use of a shell. Who was to blame?? The market hunters with Punt guns that could wipe out 1000 ducks with a single shot. Until the states began outlawing certain practices the game was far and few between. Since enforcement began the resources have more or less rebounded and are what we enjoy today.
And comparing managing a resource to speeding alludes me....

I knew you and I wouldn’t agree on this and that’s fine. Not sure I can explain my analogy any clearer. I will only say this. If you have never, ever violated any game law then you will be the only Hunter I have ever met who hasn’t.

Never taken a shot 30 seconds (or 5 minutes) after “official” sundown or before “official” sunrise. Never hunted over bait where it isn’t legal (I swear that corn was for the squirrels).

Never hunted a property that is on a state or county line and taken a shot you thought was legal but when you get to the animal you realize it was actually standing 3 feet over the border (I’ve done this one on a farm that was on the MD/Delaware line. How did I know the deer was in Delaware when I retrieved it? By the 100 year old marker stone at the edge of the field that I couldn’t see from my stand.

Yes the laws are published. Yes I read them. Doesn’t mean accidents can’t happen. Or like I said you stretch it a little sometimes. Last day of the season and you haven’t taken a deer and a buck walks out as you’re packing up 3 minutes after officials sunset? I don’t know many that won’t take that shot.

Some of the laws are for conservation but a lot are simply impediments. And I have yet to meet a game warden who doesn’t rub their hands in glee trying to find a reason to write you up. Like the one who tried pounding an extra shell into my shotgun when I was dove hunting at 16 because he found out I used a wooden dowel because I could afford a plug.

It didn’t work and he grudgingly gave me back my gun once he’d bruised his damn hand.
 
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I knew you and I wouldn’t agree on this and that’s fine. Not sure I can explain my analogy any clearer. I will only say this. If you have never, ever violated any game law then you will be the only Hunter I have ever met who hasn’t.

Never taken a shot 30 seconds (or 5 minutes) after “official” sundown or before “official” sunrise. Never hunted over bait where it isn’t legal (I swear that corn was for the squirrels).

Never hunted a property that is on a state or county line and taken a shot you thought was legal but when you get to the animal you realize it was actually standing 3 feet over the border (I’ve done this one on a farm that was on the MD/Delaware line. How did I know the deer was in Delaware when I retrieved it? By the 100 year old marker stone at the edge of the field that I couldn’t see from my stand.

Yes the laws are published. Yes I read them. Doesn’t mean accidents can’t happen. Or like I said you stretch it a little sometimes. Last day of the season and you haven’t taken a deer and a buck walks out as you’re packing up 3 minutes after officials sunset? I don’t know many that won’t take that shot.

Some of the laws are for conservation but a lot are simply impediments. And I have yet to meet a game warden who doesn’t rub their hands in glee trying to find a reason to write you up. Like the one who tried pounding an extra shell into my shotgun when I was dove hunting at 16 because he found out I used a wooden dowel because I could afford a plug.

It didn’t work and he grudgingly gave me back my gun once he’d bruised his damn hand.


Wooden dowel??? What is wrong with that? My plugs have always been wooden dowels. Is there a reg against it?
 
Wooden dowel??? What is wrong with that? My plugs have always been wooden dowels. Is there a reg against it?

No there isn’t. At least there wasn’t where I was.
His issue was he thought it was too thin a dowel and he claimed it would break easily making my gun super illegal since it would then hold 5 rounds instead of 3.

So he “proved this” by putting an extra round in the mag tube and pounding on it like a damn ape for 30 seconds.

He planned to fine the crap out of me if it broke.
 
Wooden dowel??? What is wrong with that? My plugs have always been wooden dowels. Is there a reg against it?

No but probably thought it would break and allow that fourth shell. I got stopped in ‘96 while dove hunting and the Warden commended me for using a pencil as my plug because I had forgotten it and had to figure a “fix” before dove hunting, so they are not all bad
 
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No but probably thought it would break and allow that fourth shell. I got stopped in ‘96 while dove hunting and the Warden commended me for using a pencil as my plug because I had forgotten it and had to figure a “fix” before dove hunting, so they are not all bad

I know they aren’t all bad. I really do. But I have apparently been unlucky as hell because every one of them I have ever dealt with has been a real SOB with a chip on their shoulder.
 
Oh here’s a good one. Driving to my buddy’s in MD to go hunting and I went a way I hadn’t been before so I ended up coming down his road from a different direction. It was night and I missed the turn into his house.

Not a problem. I knew a field road about 400 meters down. Turned in and backed back out and drove back to his house.

Just as I get out 4 DNR trucks whip in and some bad asses jump out and demand to know WTF I was doing. Uhh turning around.

Then they’re shouting at me and telling me I was spotlighting deer (I did see a couple). No I wasn’t. And even if I did it accidentally I don’t have a gun in the cab. They’re in cases in the bed.

This went on for about another 10 minutes. One of them trying to figure out how to charge me anyway.

Finally a smarter one showed up and called them off.
 
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Ok, explain to me why you have to hunt a turkey with a shotgun with a very full choke, instead of just a small caliber rifle? :p

So hunters have to get the animal closer instead of killing it at 200 yards, reduces the kill rate to allow the resource to flourish.

I knew you and I wouldn’t agree on this and that’s fine. Not sure I can explain my analogy any clearer. I will only say this. If you have never, ever violated any game law then you will be the only Hunter I have ever met who hasn’t.

Never taken a shot 30 seconds (or 5 minutes) after “official” sundown or before “official” sunrise. Never hunted over bait where it isn’t legal (I swear that corn was for the squirrels).

Never hunted a property that is on a state or county line and taken a shot you thought was legal but when you get to the animal you realize it was actually standing 3 feet over the border (I’ve done this one on a farm that was on the MD/Delaware line. How did I know the deer was in Delaware when I retrieved it? By the 100 year old marker stone at the edge of the field that I couldn’t see from my stand.

Yes the laws are published. Yes I read them. Doesn’t mean accidents can’t happen. Or like I said you stretch it a little sometimes. Last day of the season and you haven’t taken a deer and a buck walks out as you’re packing up 3 minutes after officials sunset? I don’t know many that won’t take that shot.

Some of the laws are for conservation but a lot are simply impediments. And I have yet to meet a game warden who doesn’t rub their hands in glee trying to find a reason to write you up. Like the one who tried pounding an extra shell into my shotgun when I was dove hunting at 16 because he found out I used a wooden dowel because I could afford a plug.

It didn’t work and he grudgingly gave me back my gun once he’d bruised his damn hand.

Then you'd love to meet me because I don't shoot before or after legal hours, and I know where I am at all times. I carry a sunrise/sunset table in a 3 ring binder along with the current booklet and if I have a question I look it up immediately. I do whatever I can to give the edge to the animal. If I can't take it in fair chase then I go home empty handed. I began hunting at about age 8 with my Grandfather and learned that killing an animal, any animal no matter what size was something to be taken seriously. So that gives me over 60 years in the field in numerous states, without a single violation.

Maybe the wardens "pick on you" because the attitude reaches them first and they sense a hostile encounter. First thing I do when I see a Warden coming my way is to lay my gun down, open or unloaded. I know we're not going to be doing anything but checking license so I have it ready, along with any "stamps" I may need to be hunting whatever I'm after that day. Make it easy on them and they'll make it easy on you.

When I lived in GA I was invited to a Dove shoot about 2 hours from where I lived. Drove the 2 hours, found out the field was baited and never even took my gun out of the case. Was sitting on the tailgate when Wardens emerged from several locations around the field and began writing tickets and confiscating guns. One came to me and asked why I wasn't hunting and when I said "the field is baited" he shook his head and walked on down the line. Be aware of your surroundings and pay attention.....
 
So hunters have to get the animal closer instead of killing it at 200 yards, reduces the kill rate to allow the resource to flourish.
Knowledge is knowing that a AR is effective to 500 yards(or even 200). Wisdom is knowing most guys aren't gonna even try that with 223. :D

By that logic, are most deer in the Carolinas taken at 1000 yards? After all, deer rifles can do it. On paper.
 
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Some states have a fall turkey season that utilize rifles. I see no problem with that. The glory of hunting turkey in the spring is calling them in and defeating them on their own turf. Sometimes this act is impossible.
In the last 32 years killing deer for me has been more of an act of grocery shopping. I hunted them when I was a kid, as an adult, I kill them. No spiritual chants, no covering myself in ashes with a moment of silence. Just kill, gut, skin and eat.
And as far as giving the animal the edge, I do everything thing I can to keep my freezers full. I use certain products that help defeat the animals awareness of me. I don’t want to give them any “edge” because I’m not going home empty handed.
I’ve always thought paying someone money to sit in a field with a bunch of other guys shooting little birds was “retarded”. Where is the edge for the dove flying thru that war zone?

Some people think too highly of themselves. I am a meat hunter, so no fluff and eye shadow here.
Kill and eat.

I too have never had a game violation. But I also find game wardens to be on a power trip.
And that trip has nothing to do with saving the little defenseless animals.
 
It's become quite apparent that there are people here that don't share in the "fair chase" portion of hunting and that's your right to do so. But if you'll recall this whole thread was around someone being given a ticket for being over limit. So I digress to my original statement, "who's fault was that"??
so ya'll keep on keeping on and let the chips fall where they may......
 
It's become quite apparent that there are people here that don't share in the "fair chase" portion of hunting and that's your right to do so. But if you'll recall this whole thread was around someone being given a ticket for being over limit. So I digress to my original statement, "who's fault was that"??
so ya'll keep on keeping on and let the chips fall where they may......
Fair chase ... who said anything about not supporting it.
Just because people don’t hold the animals hoof while it passes on doesn’t mean it wasn’t fair chase.

The op’s situation sounds like an honest mistake.
 
I use to hunt several private duck imboundments near Lake Mattamuskeet. One trip I had dove hunted the day before duck hunting. We all got checked coming out of the blinds that day and I was given a ticket for using lead shot by the king's warden because he found an empty #7 lead shot hull in the bed of my truck that had rolled under my tool box. What a dick he was. He know it was BS and wrote the ticket anyway.
 
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Most of my interactions with GW have been while duck hunting, so its dealing with migratory birds and in specific areas. I also know from hunting the same areas with the same crew for decades now that there are people who really have no regard at all for bag limits, baiting, shooting hours, shell choice, capacity and so forth. Talk to most any guide worth his salt and he will have stories of the local outlaws in the area and of their exploits. From shooting over massive bait piles, to sneaking up on flocks at night, to whacking protected breeds. Duck hunting, from what I have seen, is also one of the easiest "hunts" to accidentally screw up. First light, hen mallard flies through...oops, black duck out of season. Birds wad up right when you squeeze off a round and an extra pin tail drops. As mentioned by pirate above, they have the silly "steel shot" requirements.

I also agree that they may only "stop" 5% of people who break the law. But I also feel that the knowledge that they are out there keeps the vast majority of people breaking the laws, many of which I feel actually make sense. Much like I feel that cops only stop 1% of people who speed, but they keep the vast majority of people from doing 100 in a 65. If we wished, we could start an entire thread on which of those laws make sense and which dont, but that can apply to pretty much every law on the books.
 
In the last 32 years killing deer for me has been more of an act of grocery shopping.
That's how I think of it too.

I have been wanting to hunt deer for a while now as I have been increasingly focused on self sufficiency and sustainability. I have jumped through the crown's hoops even though I find it absurd that I should have to pay for permission to hunt an animal on my property. Being my property I have a vested interest in seeing it sustained and maintained and that includes the wildlife. I would do so because it's in my interests, not because some politician of the crown has mandated a set of rules. As my interest is grocery shopping, and not sport to engage in some primitive competition with an animal, I would only harvest that which I can and will save and use, I really don't care about silly rules like being a minute or two past some arbitrarily declared clock time. My focus is on a humane kill.

I also see things like using corn as a means to train the deer to go to a location where I can get a reliable shot in a safe direction. Quite frankly, there is so much power trip political BS involved that I plan to only hunt on my property and I would really like to get where I can process a deer myself so as to keep the process private.

I agree, the OP's situation sounds like an honest mistake, and now he's going to face a stupid legal system whose biggest function is extorting money from the honest people for making stupid mistakes by claiming they owe a debt to "society" and it's just a convenience that the funds go to the politician's coffers.

Duck hunting, from what I have seen, is also one of the easiest "hunts" to accidentally screw up.
I had a coworker, who is now retired, who liked to duck hunt. He told a story about accidentally getting one too many as he hit multiple ones with one shot. He said he was carrying that extra one down low, with one finger and if he saw the GW it was simply going to get dropped. Accidents happen. The govt getting to declare you owe it money because of it, is absurd. As to your speeding analogy on my way to the office this morning, I spotted a cop tucked away in the trees fuzzing traffic. They like to argue that it's about safety, but if the goal is to slow people down, being out in the open will have a much greater impact than hiding in the trees and socking one pour soul for $250 payable to the govt.
 
I had a coworker, who is now retired, who liked to duck hunt. He told a story about accidentally getting one too many as he hit multiple ones with one shot. He said he was carrying that extra one down low, with one finger and if he saw the GW it was simply going to get dropped. Accidents happen. The govt getting to declare you owe it money because of it, is absurd. As to your speeding analogy on my way to the office this morning, I spotted a cop tucked away in the trees fuzzing traffic. They like to argue that it's about safety, but if the goal is to slow people down, being out in the open will have a much greater impact than hiding in the trees and socking one pour soul for $250 payable to the govt.

Yes, accidents happen. A lot of birds get stomped into the marsh or just left to float, and it is stupid. But so is "I'll go ahead and drop this second pintail and Ill just tell the GW it was an oopsie and he will let me go." multiplied by thousands of hunters over a season of days. So while it is easy to shoot an extra, its also extremely easy not to be caught with one. I only recall one time where a GW busted someone on the spot for a limit violation, and that was someone who whacked a swan, the GW saw it, pulled up and they didn't have the permit for it and claimed they thought it was a snow goose. (Swans are extremely large...there is no mistaking it for anything else, except perhaps a single engine Cessna or something, and you can see them for miles across the marsh and can hear them from even further.)

I also dont disagree that much of the speed trap garbage is about making money and it SHOULD be that they are present, visible, and obvious so people slow down. I do, personally, think speed limits are a good thing. How they are enforced irritates me to no end.
 
That's how I think of it too.

I have been wanting to hunt deer for a while now as I have been increasingly focused on self sufficiency and sustainability. I have jumped through the crown's hoops even though I find it absurd that I should have to pay for permission to hunt an animal on my property. Being my property I have a vested interest in seeing it sustained and maintained and that includes the wildlife. I would do so because it's in my interests, not because some politician of the crown has mandated a set of rules. As my interest is grocery shopping, and not sport to engage in some primitive competition with an animal, I would only harvest that which I can and will save and use, I really don't care about silly rules like being a minute or two past some arbitrarily declared clock time. My focus is on a humane kill.

I also see things like using corn as a means to train the deer to go to a location where I can get a reliable shot in a safe direction. Quite frankly, there is so much power trip political BS involved that I plan to only hunt on my property and I would really like to get where I can process a deer myself so as to keep the process private.

I agree, the OP's situation sounds like an honest mistake, and now he's going to face a stupid legal system whose biggest function is extorting money from the honest people for making stupid mistakes by claiming they owe a debt to "society" and it's just a convenience that the funds go to the politician's coffers.


I had a coworker, who is now retired, who liked to duck hunt. He told a story about accidentally getting one too many as he hit multiple ones with one shot. He said he was carrying that extra one down low, with one finger and if he saw the GW it was simply going to get dropped. Accidents happen. The govt getting to declare you owe it money because of it, is absurd. As to your speeding analogy on my way to the office this morning, I spotted a cop tucked away in the trees fuzzing traffic. They like to argue that it's about safety, but if the goal is to slow people down, being out in the open will have a much greater impact than hiding in the trees and socking one pour soul for $250 payable to the govt.
You can get tags for hunting on your property at no charge to you. Except the fee the place charges to print them. Like a 2.00 transaction fee or some bs.
Also corn is legal to bait with unless there is some arbitrary law in your county.

Enjoy that land and the bounty it provides.
 
That's how I think of it too.

I have been wanting to hunt deer for a while now as I have been increasingly focused on self sufficiency and sustainability. I have jumped through the crown's hoops even though I find it absurd that I should have to pay for permission to hunt an animal on my property. Being my property I have a vested interest in seeing it sustained and maintained and that includes the wildlife. I would do so because it's in my interests, not because some politician of the crown has mandated a set of rules. As my interest is grocery shopping, and not sport to engage in some primitive competition with an animal, I would only harvest that which I can and will save and use, I really don't care about silly rules like being a minute or two past some arbitrarily declared clock time. My focus is on a humane kill.

I also see things like using corn as a means to train the deer to go to a location where I can get a reliable shot in a safe direction. Quite frankly, there is so much power trip political BS involved that I plan to only hunt on my property and I would really like to get where I can process a deer myself so as to keep the process private.

I agree, the OP's situation sounds like an honest mistake, and now he's going to face a stupid legal system whose biggest function is extorting money from the honest people for making stupid mistakes by claiming they owe a debt to "society" and it's just a convenience that the funds go to the politician's coffers.


I had a coworker, who is now retired, who liked to duck hunt. He told a story about accidentally getting one too many as he hit multiple ones with one shot. He said he was carrying that extra one down low, with one finger and if he saw the GW it was simply going to get dropped. Accidents happen. The govt getting to declare you owe it money because of it, is absurd. As to your speeding analogy on my way to the office this morning, I spotted a cop tucked away in the trees fuzzing traffic. They like to argue that it's about safety, but if the goal is to slow people down, being out in the open will have a much greater impact than hiding in the trees and socking one pour soul for $250 payable to the govt.

Let me know when you think you’ll get your first one and I’ll come teach you how to field dress and butcher. It’s not that hard and when you do it once you’ll be able to do it anytime.
 
I’ve had many checks by game wardens across different states. I have not had a violation but it seems like I can’t ever get away from them. All my hunting has been duck, dove, and quail. Game wardens seem to come from everywhere during duck hunting. Duck regulations are harsh. It’s almost impossible to identify species at 70 miles per hour in dim skies, and flapping wings. If I accidentally shoot a black duck instead of a female mallard or a pintail female you can bet it gets thrown in the sawgrass for scavengers. Not taking any chance with federal rules.

I wish the OP the best. Maybe get an attorney in the area who does cocaine on the weekends with one of the judges so he can arrange the court date on his bench day. Works here just fine.
 
Maybe get an attorney in the area who does cocaine on the weekends with one of the judges so he can arrange the court date on his bench day. Works here just fine.

LOL. This will literally be how I pick my attorney when I make calls tomorrow.
 
LOL. This will literally be how I pick my attorney when I make calls tomorrow.
Me also. My attorney neighbor has a plaque on his desk: Good attorneys do great things. Great attorneys know the judges.

Great attorneys have a 2 million dollar mountain retreat that‘s used by court employees on weekends stocking the frig and booze cabinet. That’s how all your cases are done on two days a week and the attorney has no meetings with the clients. Just stand up on Tuesday and yell in the gallery at 9:15am for everyone for ———— attorney you can go home. One day 19 people got up and left. No trials, no explanation, just empty wallet.
 
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To the guys saying no regulation would be just fine for the animals, I’d say to think of buffalo and the other herds that we’re decimated in the west once we started pushing out there.

I know too many guys that would absolutely hunt until they ran out of ammo.

I don’t like regulation either. But there is unfortunately no other answer. Asking everyone to act responsibly is set up for failure on two fronts:
1. A lot of people just can’t or don’t know how to.
2. There’s a very wide divide between what one person thinks is responsible and what another thinks.
 
One of the most inane and bizarre interactions I've ever had involved two bunny sheriffs at the lake. We were fishing off a bank at night when they tried to creep up behind us in the dark. They talked and tromped loudly through the brush (outdoorsmen, indeed) the whole way up until within 15 feet of us and proceeded to "hide" behind a couple 8" trees; neither were small enough to pull the stunt off. We saw them, told them we had our licenses, and that they could come on over and we would show them. They continued to hide behind the trees and gesticulate wildly at each other. The parking lot lights were behind them, so we saw the whole thing. After a few more minutes of this nonsense and us telling them numerous times we saw them, they finally walked over with the "How's it going tonight, gentlemen" BS like we hadn't been talking to them the whole time.

On the other hand, I've actually had one sit down and eat wild caught crawdads with us.
 
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