Unorthodox Position Course

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Not all self defense situations play out in typical shooting positions. This course focuses on making the uncomfortable manageable and accurate.

Location: All classes are held at Woody's Rifle and Hunting Club.

This training is 3 hours long and limited to 6 total students per-class. Due to the complexity of the topic.

Firearms for this course are carbines or braced pistols in rifle or pistol caliber. as a example a Braced AR-15 pistol in 5.56mm and a MPX in 9mm would both be great guns for this training.
 

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This class is slow to fill.

Is this a course no one has a interest in? Or am i not explaining its value to you?

Please let me know
 
JBoyette said:
This class is slow to fill.

Is this a course no one has a interest in? Or am i not explaining its value to you?

Please let me know
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I'd take in, but I'm not really advanced enough in my shooting yet! (And you're kind of far away.)
Plus I don't have the proper kind of firearm. I only have plain old handguns....but I'm interested, definitely.
 
I think the linked video is doing you a serious disservice. If I wanted to see how a slow methodical trainee (like I would most definitely be) shoot from the VTAC, I'd video myself. If I'm picking a trainer, I want to see the polished end result advertised.

In all fairness, I imagine it's very hard in your business to strike a balance between coming off like a Tactical Teddy Internet Super Ninja vs. a competent, serious, instructor.
 
Thanks to the three of you who replied so far. I wanted to highlight parts of the quotes and see if I can expand on them and you can help me out more.

Millie said:
but I'm not really advanced enough in my shooting yet!
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Millie,
My response is not to you per-say more to the idea I quoted above.

The whole idea of attending a class is to become educated. It’s the way to advance forward quicker then learning on one's own. No one is ever “advanced enough” because a person attends to gain the information.

Tim said:
I think the linked video is doing you a serious disservice. If I wanted to see how a slow methodical trainee (like I would most definitely be) shoot from the VTAC, I'd video myself. If I'm picking a trainer, I want to see the polished end result advertised.

In all fairness, I imagine it's very hard in your business to strike a balance between coming off like a Tactical Teddy Internet Super Ninja vs. a competent, serious, instructor.
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Tim,
Thanks for the response. I think you nailed a great point and I struggle with this very image, truth be told I am not like that at all. But how to I convey who I am and defeat preconceived stereotypes? If I understand your post I should not show the training, but show how its used as a side by side comparison? As a example the low ports of the VTAC and shooting under a car. The kneeling ports of the VTAC and shooting over a knee high wall. Is that what you are talking about? How would you market a class like this or any other class? Please share your info I would love to learn from it.

Thanks for any and all input. I am not a marketing guy, but I must learn it and want to learn how to better engage with my customer base to move classes and to educate you all.

Thanks
 
JBoyette said:
How would you market a class like this or any other class?
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Completely off the top of my head...maybe a video where the student is shooting, and you're giving a quick instruction...

<student at VTAC, instructor at the shoulder>
"OK...when your rifle is canted like this, make that adjustment"
<BANG>
<CLANG>
"OH YEAH! That's how you do it!"
<turn to camera...>
"If you'd like to learn to shoot from barricades or awkward positions, like Bill here, we can help! Give us a call..."

no more than 30-60 seconds.

Show some energy, a quick result, a little snippet of information that let's the audience know they'll learn something.
 
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Tim said:
Completely off the top of my head...maybe a video where the student is shooting, and you're giving a quick instruction...

<student at VTAC, instructor at the shoulder>
"OK...when your rifle is canted like this, make that adjustment"
<BANG>
<CLANG>
"OH YEAH! That's how you do it!"
<turn to camera...>
"If you'd like to learn to shoot from barricades or awkward positions, like Bill here, we can help! Give us a call..."

no more than 30-60 seconds.

Show some energy, a quick result, a little snippet of information that let's the audience know they'll learn something.
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Got it.

Let me work on that and get some drafts rolling.
 
I'd love to be able to get into some of the positions shown in the video, but I'm just too fat and old. If I get that close to the ground, someone will have to help me get upright again. (And probably help me get that far down, as well. Lol.)
I am steadily losing weight, but am just not agile/flexible enough at the moment to do this kind of thing. But still interested in the class!
 
Millie said:
I'd love to be able to get into some of the positions shown in the video, but I'm just too fat and old. If I get that close to the ground, someone will have to help me get upright again. (And probably help me get that far down, as well. Lol.)
I am steadily losing weight, but am just not agile/flexible enough at the moment to do this kind of thing. But still interested in the class!
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Side note, you just nailed the heart of this course. I am not trying to push you to this class, but your response has a deeper meaning to me and others reading these posts. The learning in a class like this is the engagement from the position not the movement into them. At the heart of any quality self defense training is a goal for the student to have exposure before the experience.

As an example:
If I fell down while being attacked, or I tripped running away, knowing what to do from that down position should not be figured out in the fight. That's too late! I want the tools "education | experience" in place before I need it, so I can keep the fight or move the fight to my advantage.

Great post Millie!
 
I agree with Tim, if the video is meant to be advertising for a class, I would be less likely to want to attend by watching those less skilled shooters rolling around with their rifles. Im not in advertising but much of my life has been spent working in small retail businesses and as such Ive had to learn and design some marketing stuff. A video for your classes would be great, but needs to be much shorter, get off to a fast start, give enough info but in a vague enough way to make the audience want to contact you to learn more about what you are offering. Good luck, hope you do well.
 
And don't make people read 24 seconds of disclaimer before getting to the action. If you feel that text is necessary, put it at the end. After you have someone edit/proof it.
 
Not sure how high tech you are with editing videos but just a thought...when you’ve got footage of people shooting you can cut from this person shooting this way and start a new clip of another person shooting a different way to make the video move faster. Maybe edit out the part of them getting back up off the ground. May seem more exciting and fast pace. Good luck and be sure to post the new video(s).
 
JBoyette said:
Side note, you just nailed the heart of this course. I am not trying to push you to this class, but your response has a deeper meaning to me and others reading these posts. The learning in a class like this is the engagement from the position not the movement into them. At the heart of any quality self defense training is a goal for the student to have exposure before the experience.

As an example:
If I fell down while being attacked, or I tripped running away, knowing what to do from that down position should not be figured out in the fight. That's too late! I want the tools "education | experience" in place before I need it, so I can keep the fight or move the fight to my advantage.

Great post Millie!
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Well, then, I'll take the class one of these days. I'd take it if it's offered next winter, as it's getting way too hot for me these days! Lol. Right now, I'm still inside doing stuff, covering mostly the basics, though we have been shooting "around corners" and seated as if in a car, and sending the targets out to 45 feet, with off-hand shooting happening. So by the time it gets cold again, I might be ready for this very interesting class.
 
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