US Virgin Islands sets dangerous precedent for gun seizure

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Just before Hurricane Irma last year, U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp issued a disturbing executive order authorizing the emergency seizure of guns and ammunition. The hurricane has been over nearly a year, but Mapp has continued to renew this order, apparently setting the precedent that Virgin Islands residents can lose their weapons at will. Now, some lawmakers are finally demanding answers about this executive order.

It also allowed them to seize any property it might need to respond to the disaster.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/us-virgin-islands-governor-renews-gun-ammunition-seizure-order/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/0...re-citizens-weapons-nra-threatens-to-sue.html

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/...ian-uses-hurricane-to-order-gun-confiscation/
 
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If Mapp reasoning for signing this was for the Guard to get guns and ammo for THEM to use. Then the territory needs to issue M16/M4 select fire weapons and ammunition to US Citizens. And why keep renewaling in 6 times since the hurricane??? Governor needs to be fired.

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If ya'll recall Bev Perdue used to issue that "Emergency Order" when the wind blew too hard. Finally it was over turned, just as she was in the following election.

I don't need a "court order" to overturn an unlawful "executive order" that violates my constitutional rights!!! I'm a reasonably educated man that won't follow your order, regardless of your reason for issuing it. As I've said before, "I'm willing to die for my cause, are you", because when you come for my guns it's a decision you'll need to make before you kick the door...
 
It makes perfect sense. Like Hank Johnson said about Guam, those islands are at risk of tipping over. If too much wind hits one all at once, it could flip it over, launching those dangerous guns up and scattering them around the rest of the islands and just any person, from child to criminal, could go pick them up.
 
Do they follow federal law, or recieve federal funds from teh USA?? Pretty sure after Katrina, Baby Bush signed
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006
that nullify seizing private firearms during a natural disaster.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr5013/text

in part states:

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`SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.

  • `(a) Prohibition on Confiscation of Firearms- No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of the uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer, employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, may--

    • `(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal, State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;

      `(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by Federal, State, or local law;

      "
 
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Ikarus1 said:
Do they follow federal law, or recieve federal funds from teh USA?? Pretty sure after Katrina, Baby Bush signed
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006
that nullify seizing private firearms during a natural disaster.


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr5013/text

in part states:

"
`SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.

  • `(a) Prohibition on Confiscation of Firearms- No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of the uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer, employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, may--

    • `(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal, State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;

      `(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by Federal, State, or local law;

      "
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How many times in the past have we seen someone "in power" issue an unlawful order, knowing that it was against the existing law?? Many times in my recollection and that's why I say I won't obey your unlawful "order"..... Chances are I may, or may not obey your lawful orders. I had enough orders for one lifetime.... Anybody want fries with that??
 
Bailey Boat said:
How many times in the past have we seen someone "in power" issue an unlawful order, knowing that it was against the existing law?? Many times in my recollection and that's why I say I won't obey your unlawful "order"..... Chances are I may, or may not obey your lawful orders. I had enough orders for one lifetime.... Anybody want fries with that??
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the difference here is that the law allows for the recovery of attorney's fees, damages, etc. so theoretically the NRA or someone big could make them pay pretty hard. Of course, with taxpayer funds.....


  • (c) Private Rights of Action-

  • `(1) IN GENERAL- Any individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may seek relief in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress against any person who subjects such individual, or causes such individual to be subjected, to the deprivation of any of the rights, privileges, or immunities secured by this section.

    `(2) REMEDIES- In addition to any existing remedy in law or equity, under any law, an individual aggrieved by the seizure or confiscation of a firearm in violation of this section may bring an action for return of such firearm in the United States district court in the district in which that individual resides or in which such firearm may be found.

    • (3) ATTORNEY FEES- In any action or proceeding to enforce this section, the court shall award

      the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs.'.
 
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Ikarus1 said:
the difference here is that the law allows for the recovery of attorney's fees, damages, etc. so theoretically the NRA or someone big could make them pay pretty hard. Of course, with taxpayer funds.....


  • (c) Private Rights of Action-

  • `(1) IN GENERAL- Any individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may seek relief in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress against any person who subjects such individual, or causes such individual to be subjected, to the deprivation of any of the rights, privileges, or immunities secured by this section.

    `(2) REMEDIES- In addition to any existing remedy in law or equity, under any law, an individual aggrieved by the seizure or confiscation of a firearm in violation of this section may bring an action for return of such firearm in the United States district court in the district in which that individual resides or in which such firearm may be found.

    • (3) ATTORNEY FEES- In any action or proceeding to enforce this section, the court shall award

      the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs.'.
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Again, wasted time and effort. It's easier for me to ignore the "order" than to fight it in the courts. And if our backs are against the wall in a time of emergency we won't have the luxury of time for a court battle..... I'll stand pat.....
 
Bailey Boat said:
Again, wasted time and effort. It's easier for me to ignore the "order" than to fight it in the courts. And if our backs are against the wall in a time of emergency we won't have the luxury of time for a court battle..... I'll stand pat.....
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I agree too with all of that. However while there's still rule of law, I will first attempt to stay within it until there's no other course. I'm not looking to be the next Steven and Arthur Bixby quite yet....
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
How do they know you have a firearm?
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De facto registration....NICS.

And yeah, I'd bet my life they're keeping a database of those transactions. Anyone who believes otherwise puts way too much faith / trust in Uncle Sugar and is naive.
 
In addition to keeping your guns yourself (Except maybe that backup hi-point [emoji3]) it’s always a good idea to hold the tyrant’s feet to the fire by any peaceful means possible in order to put off the shootouts when the police come for your guns.
 
That's a problem I see with a lot of folks on these forums, you haven't come to grips with the fact that all they do is take, take and then take some more but you never draw a line in the sand, you just keep giving and giving. It's almost like you're either afraid to draw a line or you don't know how to do it.
As for me, when someone/anyone orders something that violates my constitutional rights and/or beliefs, that's the line in the sand for me. I will not allow someone to take something from me without the worst fight they have ever experienced. Be in a court or on the ground, one of us ain't gonna like the outcome. If it's me that's okay, I'll live free or die.... Ya'll do whatever the hell you want.....
 
You don’t get it. Listen. Nobody is telling you to give anything up. We are just saying it would be a great idea for the NRA or some group to sue the USVI and hit them where it hurts.

Yes, they take take take. And to stop it short of shooting them, you have to create court precedents that make it harder for them to take.

Piling up sandbags and yelling “come and take them” may he satisfying for you but in the grand scheme of thing it is not enough, if it is even helpful at all.
 
Several years ago on a Sunday gathering some of our folks were complaining about the state of affairs. One man asked the entire crowd the hardest question ever asked here. He said...I hear all of this talk everywhere I go. Everybody is upset about things in the government...so, What Would Have To Happen For YOU To Do Something? It got real quiet. When I hear complaining I have the most respect for the people, who have at least decided for them, where the line is. So, as for me? I guess I'll decide when I see a completely overwhelming force rolling down my road towards the gates. BUT, overwhelming it had better be.
 
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De facto registration....NICS.

And yeah, I'd bet my life they're keeping a database of those transactions. Anyone who believes otherwise puts way too much faith / trust in Uncle Sugar and is naive.
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IIRC, all firearms on the US VI are registered with local law enforcement. At least that's the way it was when I looked at moving there a few years ago.
 
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