VPN article: 30% of the world’s top VPN providers are secretly owned by 6 Chinese companies

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  1. Exile_D

    Exile_D benevolent tyrant Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    JimP42 Mostly harmless Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I didn't see anything bad about NordVPN in there. That's what I use.
    It can be used together with a privacy browser, and Tor if you want, as part of a solution to obscure what you are doing and where you go on the web.
    It isn't foolproof, but it is can be very effective against marketing data gathering.
    If a .gov wants to find out, they probably can, but they'll have to work at it. It won't (for example) just be sitting there in the Utah NSA data warehouse.
     
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    There is a misunderstanding of just what a VPN does, at least in some circles. If you connect to any website, that website can and normally does log what you do. What they do with the data is up to them. If you search on Google via vpn, Google has that search info. Vpns protect your data in transit. I can't sit in between somewhere and monitor your traffic.

    It protects your data against 3rd party monitoring, that is all.
     
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    What about the potential for the information that is transiting a VPN to be monitored by the VPN provider?

    It seems to me that is the real issue here. China has a bad reputation for industrial espionage. If Chinese VPN providers are able to gain intelligence from the information flowing through the VPN service that would not be good.
     
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    Particularly since the users would have the (false) idea that they were protected...
     
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    JimP42 Mostly harmless Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    A VPN is part of the solution. First, your ISP is collecting and selling marketing data about everything you do online, so that has value right there.

    I use OpenDNS set up to completely block a lot of ad domains.

    I also have all the known Facebook and Twitter servers completely blocked by name resolution on my primary computer. Nothing from those servers gets in - badges, cookies, etc... also, never used Facebook. (Not that that stops them from trying.) I have only ever seen screenshots of twitter. None of the embedded links to twitter that people post work on my home network at all. I do without. Same for FB.

    Use private browsing that throws out cookies when shut down. Then there is no session to session tracking. And use ad blockers that block cookies from known ad domains. Ublock Origin is pretty good.

    The VPN obscures your IP by making it look like you come from the VPN‘s IP, which can be in nearly any country with NordVPN.

    Yes, Amazon and eBay have quite a history on me. But I can browse without exposing those cookies and linking what I do to that identity when I want to.

    For example, if I want to do some research on a medical condition, whether mine or family or friend - full precautions and anonymity. No upside to having that associated with me that I can think of.

    I know it isn’t foolproof and that stuff leaks out. But much slower than for most I bet.

    Next step will be to use Tor browser.


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    Point to consider.
    The Chinese Gov't copies every bit of data that goes through any Chinese owned company or Chinese company hardware.
    This came out with Huawei.
    Huawei claimed the "right" to store and keep all data that passed through a Huawei phone or base station.

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    What is sad is that I trust the utterly unethical Chinese more than the intel agencies of the USA.
     
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