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Looks like an SBR to me too. Doesn't look like a brace at all to me, but I never handled one. Could be different in person?
 
I thought the brace wasn’t the issue, overall length under 26” was.
 
Here’s a link to the letter he ATF sent Q ...

https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f...5cd2/Q_LLC_6_02_02814_Cease_Desist_Letter.pdf

It’s seems the ATF believes the “design” and/or “intent” of it is to be fired from the shoulder so the ATF is pulling the plug. The real worry here is SD Braces are used by Q ... how long before home built AR pistols with braces are considered designed or built by a citizen to be fired from the shoulder? Like DCG reminds us ... remember bump stocks?
 
Here’s a link to the letter he ATF sent Q ...

https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f...5cd2/Q_LLC_6_02_02814_Cease_Desist_Letter.pdf

It’s seems the ATF believes the “design” and/or “intent” of it is to be fired from the shoulder so the ATF is pulling the plug. The real worry here is SD Braces are used by Q ... how long before home built AR pistols with braces are considered designed or built by a citizen to be fired from the shoulder? Like DCG reminds us ... remember bump stocks?

The writer of that letter, Kelly Brady, was a police officer in Raleigh between 1995 and 2001. Also a NC State grad in 1994.
 
Again, I think the brace telescopes. Obviously to make it shoulderable.
No, it is to move the brace to the best arm position for comfort and bracing, and to accommodate different size and length arms.

This is the problem. We as gun owners have to unite around this. Shouldering is not the point, it's the inconsistency in the ATF, and by inconsistency I mean their existence.
 
next up is anybody with a sigbrace A3/A4 because they're basically the same thing
I'm wondering if ATF will change their opinion on the gearheadworks tailhook braces, because the mod2 is adjustable and required special review just to go to market, and it's basically the same dang thing.

good thing I don't have any braced AR pistols anymore!
 
So will it come down to ...

This one is legal ...
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and this one is illegal
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basically because of that little piece of plastic on the buffer tube?

I’ll admit I had a rubber cane tip on my AR pistol lower buffer tube before the “brace race” started. In fact I think it’s in one of my parts take off bins from years back.
 
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So will it come down to ...

This one is legal ...
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and this one is illegal
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basically because of that little piece of plastic on the buffer tube?

I’ll admit I had a rubber cane tip on my AR pistol lower buffer tube before the “brace race” started. In fact I think it’s in one of my parts take off bins from years back.

This is what would happen, the buffer tubes will change and then they will ban the whole lower.
 
These ain't bump stocks folks. These types of braces are so prevalent and ubiquitous it would be completely bat shit to try to ban them AND enforce the ban. Having said that, they will likely try.

So again, we as gun owners have got to stay united and aligned with both our narrative and persistence.

I'll be drafting my letters to my government officials tomorrow and they will be both emailed and physically mailed in.
 
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These ain't bump stocks folks. These types of braces are almost as prevalent and ubiquitous it would be completely bat shit to try to ban them AND enforce the ban. Having said that, they will likely try.

So again, we as gun owners have got to stay united and aligned with both our narrative and persistence.

I'll be drafting my letters to my government officials tomorrow and they will be both emailed and physically mailed in.
Wish in one hand crap in the other.........
They don’t care what the Plebs think.
 
Glad mine all went down in the great boating accident of 2018.....................











no seriously atf it did... how long do we put up with garbage, how many ar pistols was used in crime sprees? How many killed by a ar pistol? My money is riding on big gov is getting scared of all these gun sales and we won’t be easily pushed around....tin foil hat on tight????? or chipping at our rights? My trailer hitch has hurt a lot more people than any gun I used to own(remember the boating accident)....
 
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Still can’t figure out what “shall not be infringe “ means....I mean, well I thought it meant “ shall not be broken or changed”...maybe someone smarter than me can show me where I was misguided (maybe in the camps where they re-educate us when joe wins?)
 
IF Biden wins ... that will be even more leverage for the ATF to renege on the previous “rulings”. New leadership with new marching orders ... Slo Joe and the Ho both have said firearms will be a matter they will address.

ETA ... those people who won’t vote for Trump but hate Biden need to think about holding their nose and marking Trump for crap like this.
 
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I don't understand why the ATF gets to create law, interpret law and enforce law at the same time.

Simple, because no one will stop them. If you don't agree, they'll just use some force against you (by proxy, I'm sure they can get some of those friendly soldiers of the crown to do their dirty work for them).

But by all means, vote because this dbag is better than the other dbag.

I'm just glad I'll be dead before the whole place turns into california/ny/chicago.
 
Simple, because no one will stop them. If you don't agree, they'll just use some force against you (by proxy, I'm sure they can get some of those friendly soldiers of the crown to do their dirty work for them).

But by all means, vote because this dbag is better than the other dbag.

I'm just glad I'll be dead before the whole place turns into california/ny/chicago.
Don’t bet on it ... if Biden does win think what 1 month of Slo Joe & 3 years 11 months of The Ho will turn the US into.
 
Don’t bet on it ... if Biden does win think what 1 month of Slo Joe & 3 years 11 months of The Ho will turn the US into.
Yeah - you would think the ATF would be pro gun - because when Harris is prez and bans pretty much everything that's not a muzzle loader - guess who's not needed any more? lol
 
Yeah - you would think the ATF would be pro gun - because when Harris is prez and bans pretty much everything that's not a muzzle loader - guess who's not needed any more? lol
You're forgetting the "alcohol" and "tobacco" part of ATF.

And goddammit if we won't need more alcohol if the Dems win.
 
Congress gave that responsibility to the executive branch.
For all departments or just the ATF? Can any department (FBI etc.) just change the law/interpret the law to fit the requirement for their current need?

You're forgetting the "alcohol" and "tobacco" part of ATF.

And goddammit if we won't need more alcohol if the Dems win.
Agreed - but if they just become the AT, that's got to drop a considerable amount of required employees. Having said that it's government, and seems like they just do whatever the hell they want anyway so...

Might as well just move back to the UK. :(
 
For all departments or just the ATF? Can any department (FBI etc.) just change the law/interpret the law to fit the requirement for their current need?


Agreed - but if they just become the AT, that's got to drop a considerable amount of required employees. Having said that it's government, and seems like they just do whatever the hell they want anyway so...

Might as well just move back to the UK. :(
Any regulatory agency. It keeps congressmen’s hands clean. If you don’t like a law don’t blame me the EPA ATF et al passed it not congress. Congress tied their own hands on purpose for reelection.
 
Wow what?

Ill say wow back acha

All this ‘stick together and abolish the ATF’ stuff is nice but it has zeeero to do with the topic. The company who made this SBR and marketed it as a pistol is not waving that banner, they’re playing the ATFs game. I hope they win.

Now ya’ll get back to your fantasies
 
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Wow guys.

It's clear from what the ATF wrote that if the intent is for it to be shouldered then it is an SBR. I'm just saying they went too the edge. Im certainly not saying it's not total BS on the part of the ATF. I have a pistol and no one is going to get it and i'm going to continue to shoot it.
 
It's clear from what the ATF wrote that if the intent is for it to be shouldered then it is an SBR. I'm just saying they went too the edge. Im certainly not saying it's not total BS on the part of the ATF. I have a pistol and no one is going to get it and i'm going to continue to shoot it.

if I turn a fork sideways and cut something with it, is the fork now a knife?


I guess if the ATF said it then we should bow to our new overlords. Same agency that declared a shoestring a machine gun. Makes perfect sense

Wow what?

Ill say wow back acha

All this ‘stick together and abolish the ATF’ stuff is nice but it has zeeero to do with the topic. The company who made this SBR and marketed it as a pistol is not waving that banner, they’re playing the ATFs game. I hope they win.

Now ya’ll get back to your fantasies

you made the assumption about it by looking at the picture of it having not handled it in person. Guess that’s what the ATF did also


Gun owners selling eachother out over this just like the bump stocks
 
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