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I broke down and bought this (DPMS Panther Oracle 20+1 7.62 NATO/.308 Win 16"). I've been on the fence for a long time about an AR-10 and have been nothing but pleased with my DPMS Panther Oracle in 5.56/.223.
I need to pick up a few mags to have loaded up for when it arrives and decide on an optic. Not sure how long distance I'll be shooting it.
Anybody else running this one? Read good review online about it too.
 
It needed a trigger badly, but other than that....mostly good.
It is severely over gassed and i havent got it where it needs to be yet.....but it works and shoots well.
With PMC 147 grain it was around 1520 fps. I havent tried any other ammo or loads yet, but i expect i could get a 150 grain bullet around 2600 fps or so.
 
JBoyette said:
Shooting 155's I have taken mine to 900yds and it keeps kept 2 MOA solid. Up to 700yds its 1 MOA mostly.

You just need a 20 MOA base and a hell of a lot of elevation travel built in the optic. :)
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Thank you that's a bit better than I really expected.

I've never owned a .308 which is what promped the question.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
Thank you that's a bit better than I really expected.

I've never owned a .308 which is what promped the question.
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Its the gold standard all long range is based off of, performance wise. Some are better, some are worse but if you can run a .308win to 1100yds you can run anything at distance.
 
Y'all are convincing me I need to try it. I've never tried over 600 on a measured range.

Well, an M2 and an M134 from aircraft have been further. But that doesn't count.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
Thank you that's a bit better than I really expected.

I've never owned a .308 which is what promped the question.
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Remember, the military went from the .30-06 to the .308 early on and never looked back until recently in some cases. I say "some cases" because it is still very much a well-used round for the US military sniper. There are some rounds that are as-good-or-better (.338 Lapua, 300 WINMAG, 6.5, etc.) but the .308 is still the gold standard.
 
Chuckman said:
Remember, the military went from the .30-06 to the .308 early on and never looked back until recently in some cases. I say "some cases" because it is still very much a well-used round for the US military sniper. There are some rounds that are as-good-or-better (.338 Lapua, 300 WINMAG, 6.5, etc.) but the .308 is still the gold standard.
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I've seen a bunch of em but have never had the opportunity to fire or own one. I am pretty much going to spend more on a piece of adequate glass than the rifle huh?
 
Ben Jefferson said:
I've seen a bunch of em but have never had the opportunity to fire or own one. I am pretty much going to spend more on a piece of adequate glass than the rifle huh?
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Only if you buy into marketing.

The best optic in the market still to this day is the Super Sniper 10x. https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html?___SID=U
I bought my first one is 2002 for $299.95 then too. I have owned two more. Still run them all.

Shot out to 1300yds with one on .308win, went to the NC LE Sniper School in 2013 with one and graduated.

So its up to you.
 
I need to get out and shoot my .308s at distance again. Building the house has consumed my free time.
 
Loving the conversation on .308 this kicked off and the idea of the SWFA SS 10x. I was just starting some optic searches too!
 
DarrenC said:
Loving the conversation on .308 this kicked off and the idea of the SWFA SS 10x. I was just starting some optic searches too!
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Is your rifle like this one?
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What base/rings are you guys running with the SWFA? 20 MOA are pricey!
 
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DarrenC said:
What base/rings are you guys running with the SWFA? 20 MOA are pricey!
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Honestly,

You would need to do some investment on that rifle to make the value of a Super Sniper worth the cost. This is a slippery slope that many to include myself go down. I can find a single part and justify building a whole gun around it.

I would buy a 3.5x Prism optic with the proper BDC in 5.56 or .308 and enjoy that rifle
 
DarrenC said:
What base/rings are you guys running with the SWFA? 20 MOA are pricey!
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They start at around $30 for a 20 moa rail. I spend more than that eating out on a weekend. I just bought a Timney for around $60 for a low grade 700 build. Guns are not cheap.
 
I have used Nightforce and Badger Ordinance on the high end, > $120, and I've used SSALT mounts equally. It is indeed a slippery slope.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
What distance is a .308 with a 16" barrel good to?
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Probably real similar to an 18inch barrel and I smack steel without any effort out to 500 yards using a crossfire ii 2-7x32. I'm willing to bet it will 900ish is within the realm of possibility with the correct load
 
Interesting, I was asking because the new Barrett MRAD pushes .308 barrels out as far as 27 inches. That made a bunch of sense to me.
 
Ben Jefferson said:
Interesting, I was asking because the new Barrett MRAD pushes .308 barrels out as far as 27 inches. That made a bunch of sense to me.
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You will find enough articles to prove whichever argument you like, that longer barrels are more (or less) accurate than shorter barrels. I prefer 20"-24" barrels, but I have shot 16" .308 to 700, 750 yards with nary an issue. With the right load and optic I imagine a 16" rifle can hit steel at 1,000 yards, but I haven't done it.
 
Length has nothing to do with accuracy. Length is 100% based on consumption of gun powder. The consumption of gun powder directly leads to speed.

Ceteris paribus
short barrel = slower
Long barrel = faster

the question is whats the bullet performance at X speed range

Notice my first post i listed 155grn bullets. Thats not by accident

The dance is the question of speed. I choose lighter bullets in shorter barrels. They perform equally as heaver bullets in longer barrels. This is my choice because I am use to 168/175 SMK on a 1/10 RHT 24" BBL dope. Its burned in my brain. The 155SMK Palma out of a 16" gas gun has damn near the same dope as a 175smk out of a 24" out to about 650. Then all hell breaks loose on the 155's
 
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Chuckman said:
You will find enough articles to prove whichever argument you like, that longer barrels are more (or less) accurate than shorter barrels. I prefer 20"-24" barrels, but I have shot 16" .308 to 700, 750 yards with nary an issue. With the right load and optic I imagine a 16" rifle can hit steel at 1,000 yards, but I haven't done it.
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I've shot 1.25" groups at 550 with a 16.5" HK MR762 with a Geissele trigger. It's the most accurate semi-auto I've ever shot.
 
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