What did you do in the reloading room today?

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  1. Michael458

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    Loading a few 50 B&M Alaskan rounds for the BatteryOaks shoot.........................

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    And in addition to that doing some Test Loads with 458 B&M and 500 MDM with Lehigh Penetrators and Defense Bullets............. These also get Terminal Tests...............

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    Working with the 458 B&M SA as well, two things, new loads with CFE Blk instead of AA 1680. AA 1680 Screams with a 250 Socom Raptor from CEB, and is just wicked in terminals, and animal tissue. We run 2650 fps + in the big Semi. But we get a Fire Ball about the size of a basketball. In recent work with 358 MGP we found excellent results with AA 1680, but with the huge Muzzle Blast, moving to CFE Blk gave us the same or better results, without the muzzle blast. I had hoped the same with 458 B&M SA. AA 1680 and CFE BLK are next to each other on the burn charts.

    Indeed CFE BLK came through, and running the 250 Socom at 2640 fps dead steady, NO MUZZLE BLAST........................ I Had hoped it would do well with the 225 and 250 Lehigh in .458, but they are not doing near as well even with larger charges. Using 65/CFE BLK with the 250 Socom Raptor. Lehigh's have done well in terminal tests, and at 25 yards in the bolt guns. I intend to stretch the range a bit to 50 yards to check accuracy in the bolt guns ASAP..............Had hoped they would do well in the Semi, but not so far.

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  3. Toprudder

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    Ran 100 rounds of 10mm from my Dillon 550. Was hoping to do 300, but kept having problems that took me a while to figure out what was going on. First, I was using BlueDot, which doesn't meter the best, and it took me a while to get consistent drops. Second, I had some cases that the belling was way too much, and others that didn't have enough. Narrowed the problem down to PPU cases having thinner walls than any other headstamp. The expander wasn't doing anything to the PPU cases, even though I had a undersize sizing die. I think I will throw out the PPU cases, or just separate them from the other headstamps and use those separately.
     
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    Not much... threw a super cheap box of bullets on the shelf.

    30cal 155 Amax 12.5c/ea
     
  5. Wolffy

    Wolffy Make ready. Charter Member

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    Working up some 9mm loads. Still not enough FPS. Next batch should get it though. Guessing some where around 7.3gr of autocomp will get it done.
     
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    Took the last test rounds and chrono'd. Looks like 7.5 gr of Autocomp will get it done. Made up 600 rounds with 125gr blues. 9 major is a whole different animal.
     
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    Was tired of looking at the bench with baggies of different brass. Some deprimed and others not. From 380 to 308. Today, I got around 75 once fired 6.5 CM cases and 20 once fired 308 cases from my range trip. Once I started with resizing the brass that came home with me today, I did not stop until there was nothing left on the bench. Did 308 first and went through 8 calibers. When I was cleaning up I found about 15 more 308 cases so I got the dies out again and resized those cases. All the once fired case also got trimmed.
    Lets see how long with will last.
     
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  8. TomGCherry

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    Got my Dillon XL750 set up last week. Loaded a few boxes. Shot them. They all functioned and went bang. Used my CZ S2 for the PLUNK test. Keep reading and also talking to folks. One of my BE shooters (also my coach that won his "division" with a 500X500 at Camp Perry this summer....so he ain't no slouch gun slinger) says that he uses LE Wilson gages to 100% INSPECT his match ammo. Kept reading. Debate about Dillon vs Wilson is worse than Trump or whomever is ahead in the Democratic polls. Bottom line.....SUPPOSEDLY the LE Wilson gages are made to the MINIMUM size....so if a cartridge works in it.....then it is GOOD to GO... Some professional shooters have used Dillon and had mishaps in matches. SO, if Wilson is good enough for my coach....good enough for me.

    Amazon delivered in two days. Got out some 9's and 45's that I THOUGHT were set or crimped correctly. They would ALMOST drop flush in the gage, but not quite. NOW, they were sampled and Plunk Tested in different barrels....so I KNOW they work and have shot up a BUNCH of different bullets weights with different powders for evaluation and NO MISFIRES.

    MY DILEMMA.... What to do about the XL750. So.....ran some uncharged ones. OPPS.....close but NOT like the Factory Blazer. Reset the sizing die to almost touching the shell holder. Dillon say 1/8 - 1/4.... Mine is now more like 1/16 and there is clearance....high powered LED shows that. OK....NOW....wonder about my old TC RCBS dies. Ran about 10 each of different Headstamps (Blazer and Starline in 9mm and Starline in 45....that is ALL that I shoot). BINGO. The RCBS dies work great. Cases drop in and then fall back out. SO....at least we know that there are NO issues with the sizer. Dillon was also tested with Blazer and Starline as it is only set up for 9mm. SAME RESULTS. Running down the sizing die DID make a difference ans SOME of the Dillon's cases would not fall totally into the gage. SO, minimum clearance between die and shell holder or plate is the TRICK.

    THEN ..... Looked at the flaring or belling. Dillon had said OK with 0.010 - 0.012. Adjusted that as I had a little too much on the Starlines. NOW at 0.010 and the bullets will "sit" in the cases....and not shave the plating or the jackets. INTERESTING.....the SAME setup on the Blazers will push the bell or flare to almost 0.015. The difference is the case length. BUT, since Starline is the PRIME 9mm case....leave it ALONE.

    Bullet seating is two stage....so that is NOT a big deal. CRIMP. OPPS....that MAY be the issue. By cutting back on the flaring or belling, I thought that the crimp would fix itself. NOPE. The test duds were NOT dropping into the gage. Intuitively, I THOUGHT that I might be bulging, so did some magnification looking and measuring. Even THOUGH I thought that I had too much crimp, the case gage said NO or NoGo. SO.....run down the crimper about half turn. CLOSE....very close. They NOW drop to almost flush with the top of gage. Added a 1/8" rundown and locked it in. BINGO....they work fine.

    NOW....what about the LONGER Blazers with the increased flare. PURE mechanics or FORCE. The Blazers are crimped and they fall in and out....a little better than the Starlines. I had tried OEM Blazer ammo and the bullets (cartridges) dropped flush and when you inverted the gage, they fell out. NOW, the Dillon will do that or come close to falling back out. They DO drop down FLUSH....which is the criteria.

    Bottom line....ready to start cranking. I ordered a "super deluxe tricked out" XL750 with case feeder and all the upgrades and goodies and the 45 ACP conversion. Twas NOT cheap. BUT, the proof was in the product. With the LE Wilson case gage, NOW everything is set properly. BTW....I was loading Berry Cu Plated 147's..... The finished loads NOW have that classic "Southern Genteel Lady's Hour Glass Figure"....without the taudry Dolly Parton bulges.

    Happy Camper (reloader) am I. The cost of the gages compared to what I spent for the loader are trivial and NOW I don't need to tear down guns and use barrels for gages....

    Tomorrow....try out the feeder and do some SERIOUS cranking of the Ergo Handle and get that puppy pumping.

    NOTE....I put in the aftermarket baffles (Amazon) in the powder measure. Used VV N-330 and the charges are so consistent, one would think they were weighed. I am using my gold standard balance beam scale (zeroed and strapped down) at eye level. Less than 0.05 Gr spread and most would be called ZERO. The powder measure and design is the NUTS. Also have the POWDER Alarm. Beeps if Double and also if NONE.....
     
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  9. Toprudder

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    Lets see... I wet tumbled about 1400 9mm cases for a friend that always brings me other stuff for trade. He like to scrounge for brass and always brings me something I can use. Then I wet tumbled about 1000 .40S&W cases. But then I had the chance to pick up a nice work bench, with the really thick laminated bench surface, so I moved out the old rickety work bench I had and moved in the new bench. I am seriously thinking about getting the bench mounting plate system from Inline Fabrication so I can mount one of my presses, or bench vise, or whatever I want, but still have a clear working surface whenever I need one.

    I still need to get out there and put things back in place so that I have room to do some serious loading before my trip down to Battery Oaks this weekend. :)
     
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    Didn’t load anything this weekend. I did sort another coffee can full of 9mm, looking for the evil stepped brass.
     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    As you know I have been using the bench mounting from inline. Just installed the rail system in the new reloading room. I would give it 4 out of 5 stars. The only reason I dropped the 5th star is because I feel it is not heavy-duty enough for a T7 press to hang on. I have a 2x6 behind wall and with the largest lag bolts screwed in all the holes, there is still more movement then I want. Still made it work for Lee press and die setups I have. Quick change mounting for inline works great.
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    The bench I just moved in is HEAVY. It has a 36" x 72" top, with really sold legs. I am hoping that I won't have to lag it to the wall.
     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    Sure would be nice to have photos
     
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    currently running or "starting to run" an XL750. it is on a lightweight, temporary work surface. There is a piece of 1/2" plywood and a 5/8" thickness of particle board on the top. Was NEVER meant for HD reloading.....but it is convenient. It has a 2x2 frame and shelf supports. Was mean for "banker box" storage. BUT, the top is screwed securely to a backsplash 2x4.....and that is lagged to the studs in the attic. The Dillon is mounted very securely.....

    Just running a few boxes tells me that if I were going to keep this surface, I would add a 3/4" plywood top and some front 2x4 braces.....you can feel the fore and aft movement.

    Will be interesting to see if you gorilla workbench works.....if on carpet, I'll give you good odds it won't. All the blogs and such and Dillon's tech support say that the force required for running the press "consistently" to get uniform powder charges on even a battleship bench is not gonna be satisfactory, unless it is on Hardwood and that might be marginal.

    Will be interesting....
     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    I ran 2 650s on a Sam's work bench on carpet for years. Had zero trouble and a SD of less than 3 on 9mm and 45 acp. 20150118_215157.jpg
     
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    With your credentials, I can't argue.....Results often outweigh technical support and also consensus of opinions.

    My workbench or more appropriately "work station cabinet" will be lagged to the wall per Dillon's advice...

    Curiosity, When you say SD of 3, what do you mean. Typically, my SD for my RCBS Uniflo are under 0.05....and technically, from an engineering and statistical perspective or calculation standpoint...that is as low and as accurate as you can get since it is impossible to read a beam balance scale to < 0.05 Gr. That is....unless you have an electronic scale and have it calibrated.... and allow for the settling time of the electronics....

    In other words, if you use the Excel function of Stdev.S for the "Samples", then on a 15 piece sample, taken from a population of 100 (two boxes), my calculated SD is 0.039X or so. However, based on the rules or "laws" of significant digits....the SD, I think, should be rounded up to 0.05.

    Your results may vary if you have an electron scale that is accurate to 3 decimals.....which I don't.

    Just curious....not doubting....but don't understand.... Thanks in advance for explaining this to me....
     
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    Bullseye Baldee No Plastic for me!

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    The SD I was referring to: SD = Standard Deviations for FPS of each round. A low SD doesn't always relate to an accurate round, but it is a good start.
    You are over thinking it. Reloading is not that hard. Most people cant shoot as accurate as the gun nor the round.
    A lot of people worry about what press is best, what scale is best, "what is best". Don't!!! Remember you can get to work on a Yugo, its just more fun in a Corvette. I use my Lee press more than the others. And it produces very accurate rounds.

    Just be safe and have fun.
     
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    For the first couple of years, I had a Harbor Freight woodworking bench, on carpet, not fastened to a wall. I ran my Dillon 550 without much problem, though I did have to hold the press when seating primers. I'm still using that same bench, but it is on a tiled floor in my reloading shack.

    I can't argue the point about a solidly mounted press being more consistent, but in the grand scheme of things the extra consistency may be lost in the noise floor compared to all the other variables. If I were wanting the utmost in precision, I would be running a Forster coax press, and manually dropping powder in each round with a lab grade precision scale. I would measure the water volume of each case, and sort all the bullets by length and weight. I would probably never notice the difference at the range, except that I would not be shooting nearly as much.
     
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    ^^^ Im just surprised you haven't done all this yet (You forgot neck turning) :)

    John
     
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    We have to get Toprudder to start casting. There is a lot of testing he can do with casting!
     
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    Thanks for qualifying your statement. No argument that a 3 FPS SD is excellent. I need to get a chronograph someday. But for the interim, the only variable in my reloading is the powder charges. Minute differences in case volumes and concentricities of bullets and bullet weights are orders of magnitude less than the variation or SD of charge weights.

    Totally agree that 99.97% (three Sigma) of the banging population can’t shoot any more accurately than factory. However, I have finally reached the stage where I can evaluate ammo and know from group sizes and shapes that my handloads are more accurate.

    I guess being, among other things of somewhat notable acclaim, a retired manufacturing and process engineer and having been trained in the Deming ways, I tend to apply those principles to my reloading.

    YES...any press that has good dies and is set up properly will produce consistent loads. Again, the largest room for error is in the charging. Like the proverbial blind hog, I finally ordered a small pistol charge cylinder for my 50 YO RCBS and then tuned it and then added an Uncle Nick’s powder baffle. Powders like VV N-series and CFE Pistol and TiteGroup and Bullseye are always dead on. Even Unique now can be held to around 0.05 SD.

    Having been on of the Automative Suppliers for Yugo components, we were supplied a fleet of Yugos and we were allowed to drive them for a month or so. Yes....it always got me to work and to the airport and such. But, now, I am on my third Vette (C7 Z51 Stingray), and YES it is a whole lot more fun....

    Thanks for the perspective.....
     
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    All theories aside, you just nailed it. If you can eliminate variables, then you get, on a Dillon, more consistent loads. The major variable is the powder charging. As long as the press is properly sizing, belling, charging, “seating” and crimping....then if you breakdown the process....powder charging (retired manufacturing engineer background kicking in) is the most inconsistent.

    I hope to have more hands on experience as I run mine. But, I spent a lot of time (could have been shooting) talking to expert marksmen, avid handloaders, and also one DILLON tech support....who is both. Slower production rates and concentration on methods and rhythm are the key.

    But, to get the most consistent charging and “loads” from a Dillon....based on my research and common sense and also years of reducing product variations, you have to do the basics....

    Powder selection to reduce variation is probably #1. I have a LOT of Unique and I will,use it up for fun and practice (shooting technique) but never would I expect it to outperform, in 9mm, CFE or VV N-330. The Bullseye Grand National or whatever shooters write a lot of informative articles and use that....

    But if you can’t run a “uniform production rate” as in concistent cycle or time per bullet, then you have variation and that will translate into inconsistent powder charges. Adding a baffle helps.

    The pros who shoot gazillions of rounds mount their presses solidly. They only run one headstamp. They only use one particular brand of primers. They set the resizing die to within 1/16” to get total full length sizing. They use a specially designed powder funnel with “RCBS Type M” dimensions or they don’t flare or bell on station 2, just drop powder, and set up a belling station on#3. I have a powder check and that is there....so eventually, I will buy a custom powder funnel. That makes seating or dropping in bullets easier and more consistent.

    All these things reduce variation....

    I guess that improving processes as well as improving my shooting techniques is just a “curse” and that is what I do...
     
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    There is a lot wrong with your thinking that powder charge is #1. You might need to go weigh some of your bullets. You will find a big variation in brands, as in grains. I shoot a lot of 45 70. I now cast because of variations in weight. One manufacturer 405 grain weighed between 391 gr. to 416 gr. Also brass manufacturers have big variations in volume and thickness of brass. For example: the load I use in 308 Federal brass will not work Lapua brass. Lapua Brass has way less volume then Federal Brass. To the point of crushing and compacting powder. Which will in fact create more pressure to the point it could be unsafe. But my 308 rounds with Varget, federal brass, federal match primers, SD 3.4 (which can be improved on) has a 5 inch group at 1000 (with very little wind). I suck when winds are blowing. Toprudder can go into it even more. His name is MR.TEST.
     
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    I guess I did not qualify my comments or assumptions. My BE coach tests and shoots different bullets based on his conversations with other Camp Perry champions or winners.

    I only shoot 9mm and 45. My comments were based on consistent loading of know components. In talking to him, I have been doing what he does or following the advice of competitive shooters in their blogs or forums.

    I use Starline brass for both calibers. I use Blazer for “everyday” 9mm shooting. Variable or variation is now controlled

    I shoot tested (BE) bullets or some recommendations from others. I have bought “a lot” of supposedly another members excess and it was a known brand, type, size, etc. Either he got a bad shipment or it was mixed. Two separate runs...flat base with shiny finish and dull with indentation on base. They are now sorted. So, by experimenting with one particular brand, type, model number or whatever .... another variable removed.

    Sizing die set up so that deprimed cases drop freely in and out of Williams gauges. That eliminates a variable that Dillon was not picky about.

    Belling or flaring is a function of case length. I know that my Starline cases will bell or flare 0.010-0.012. Same setup and Blazers, which are longer, will flare 0.013-0.015. But when you seat and crimp same bullet in each, the COAL is the same and the dummy loads easily pass the Wilson gauge.

    I HAVE looked at weights for a small sample of certain bullets. I don’t need an Excel spreadsheet to look at the % variation or the weights to know they are at least an order of magnitude less that the powder charge variation.

    so....back to my original assumptions....I think they are correct for my shooting and evaluation. Given that, then from a consistency standpoint, you control the largest variable to maximize results.

    now....do I point the barrel up, down or forward and bang or tap the frame so that the powder level, for each round, is consistent. Nope....but some folks do and publish the chrono results and SD....as well as minimizing the COAL...

    NOT THERE YET...

    Appreciate your comments, but I think mine are correct knowing the circumstances and assumptions...
     
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    Absolutely.....more variables for the spreadsheets! :)
     
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    I have not fully explored the existing variables yet. o_O
     
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    I feel like a big ol' dummy after the last several posts.

    I just loaded up 100rds of .41Mag to take to the shindig. 240gr Keiths over a healthy pour of 2400. They average 1200fps from my 5.5"er & 1270fps from the 7.5"er. Fairly sportin' & pleasant to shoot.
     
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    I've already done neck turning. ;)
     
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    "Doing"...

    Priming a bunch of 5.56 cases.
     
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    Loaded 650 9mm on the Dillon XL750. Learned how to clear primer jam as well as do a changeover. Installed the revised or upgraded primer feeder parts and talked to Dillon tech support and gave them feedback and suggestions.

    Processed 300 cases. Still learning how to tweak and adjust. No major issues or feeding problems. Had to “condition” the powder adjustment as I switched from an extruded to a small flake (VV N-330 to CFE Pistol). Took several cycles and test drops. Powder measure now dispenses either powder within 0.05. Did several samples during each run.

    Next task is to switch tool heads and start running 45 ACP’s next week.

    It takes about as much time to fill primer tubes and also to package the finished rounds. I may start to bulk package and go by weights....instead of stuffing into holes.

    Progress marches on.
     
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    When I had kids at home to load the tubes that saved time. No longer :-(

    I check 9mm with a 100 round gauge and dump them in an ammo can. I load mags directly from the can at home and either take the can or one or two 100 round MTM boxes to the match/range.


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    Threw together another 600 rounds of 9mm major and 300 rounds of .40.
     
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    Got some loads worked up for testing...

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  35. Toprudder

    Toprudder Be vewy vewy qwiet. Supporting Member

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    Nothing like getting a new gun in a new (to me) caliber to get me back into the reloading mood. 50AE. I got the dies and necessary components in, got the dies all setup, and loaded up some test rounds.
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  36. Clicker

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    Over the past 2 weekends I cast somewhere North of 1100 9mm 147 projectiles, coated them with Hi-Tek and sized them. In the middle of loading them the shellplate bolt on my Dillon SDB broke leaving the ram near the top of the stroke with cases stuck in the sizing, powder, seater and crimp dies.

    Gentle tapping after removing the tool head dislodged things and I had a spare shellplate bolt so the 'ole SDB was back in action pretty quick. Heck never a bad thing to clean the dies anyway. Since everything was apart I tossed the powder funnel / expander in the lathe worked over with some 800 grit then a final polish on a buffing wheel. My aim was to reduce the effort required to flare the cases for the lead bullets, seemed to help a bit.

    The TLDR version: I loaded a bunch of 9mm subsonic ammo and finished off the last of my Solo 1000 powder.
     
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  37. TomGCherry

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    Dillon XL750 Setup and Shakedown are completed. Spent maybe two weeks learning and experimenting. Ran about 1100 9mm first. Piece of cake....save some start-up issues and also got the "new parts" from Dillon. Their Tech Support is awesome. I DID sort of hook up with ONE tech that is a shooter and he will take my calls and walk me through the learning. No major issues with the 9mm. The XL750 was ordered in 9mm and setup for that.

    I had ordered it FULL BORE....with everything for a caliber conversion and also a second Powder Measure. Therefore, when I swapped Calibers, I had ONE powder for each caliber. Decided that I like CFE Pistol for BOTH 9mm (all weights) and 45 in some 45 loads. BUT, I shoot VV N310 as well in 45 and VV N330 in 9mm. SO.... Ordered a THIRD Powder Measure. Now have one for CFE (and it works great for Unique if I want to just "GO BANG"); One for VV N-310; One for VV-N330.

    Set up a COLOR Coding system for the Powder Cannisters and the Powder Measure Hoppers so I DON'T MIX THEM. Working on a Color Coded (EZ to SEE) Labeling System. Will use preprinted Color Coded Labels....Bullet Weight, and maybe by Powder....and definitely by Caliber. So, I can store my various boxes or containers of completed loads on a shelf and they will be subdivided and organized. A WORK IN PROGRESS.

    Have made up charts for each Powder Measure. I purchased the Armanov "Dial" Scales or Powder Measure Adjustment kit. THAT is the nuts. I can find TWO points (or settings on the 50 division knob) for two separate weights....say 4.2 and 6.0 grains. I can (and have done this) almost hit the right division for say...5.0. Within ONE division. Eventually, I will have a chart for each powder and each measure and when I want to go from 4.0 to 4.2 t0 5.0 to 5.5 or 6.0....I will have the scale or dial setting. VERY PLEASED with this.

    However, I REALLY learned MORE about how to run and setup and adjust (OK...a few ....DON"T DO THAT) when I switched to 45.

    ShellPlate and Index. Yes...it is a simple. but you have to adjust the tension and the "friction". That to me is a finesse issue and also experience. Took a while. BUT, I discovered that the INDEXING is critical. Press was DEAD ON (Primer Seating) for 9mm. It required an adjustment of the "Index Cam Roller" to get it centered on 45. Don't know if I will have to do that each time. PROBLEM was in the Primer Seating. I was using up left over WW Dome LP and they are not the best choice. I had already purchased Federal as that is the defacto standard for the Dillon based on several high volume reloaders and BE shooters. LEARNED A LOT. Primers on the first box or so did not seat all the way. That was due to a mis alignment of the Index. FIXED that....

    NOW...I DID learn that you have to READ and pay attention to details. Finally got all the pieces parts switched for the caliber conversion. The bowl feeder was totally seamless. MINOR speed adjustment on the disk drive.

    Also came up with a quick and CHEAP fix for storing the Powder Measures and the Primer Tubes. The domed WW will sometime rotate or flip over in the tubes. Don't know why...but it happens.....still working on that. I found that if you lay them down or handle them excessively after they are filled, you may have an issue.

    Took a 2 X 10 and cut it around 18". Drilled a 1" hole in each end and used a piece of 1/2" Black Iron Pipe (used Liquid Nails to glue and hold vertical) for the Powder Measure. I have the Armanov Quick Disconnect clamps, rathern than the stock Dillon tabs and set screws. So, you just sit the measures down on the pipe and they are perfect. I spaced them out so that each one is about 2" from each end. That center space will NOW be used for Primer Tube storage. Have 5 of each size. Will drill 6 or 7 holes on each side. Left will be Large and the Right Row will be Small. Will fill a primer tube and then flip it and put it in the hole. First Hole will be for FILLED....keep adding until all 5 are filled. That will then leave 2 spaces to the back. When you empty a tube and don't refill it....then you just put it in the back and move any filled ones to the front. You always have a spacer betwen them. Gonna us a Golf Tee to put in the TOP of one that was only partially filled or was "refilled" after a change. That way....the Partials will be labeled and the Filled ones will be in their spots and the empty (to be filled) will be at the back. That keeps them organized and also prevents excessive handling and potential primer flipping.

    That's about it. OK>>>>>FINAL THOUGHT. I did add aftermarket baffles to each one. Prarie Dog from Amazon. YES, you can make them yourself for free using the Uncle Nick's PDF. That worked great on the RCBS, but I decided that I like the double baffle design and ordered them. That really improves the consistency of the charges.

    The Dillon tech gave me a method for getting exact weights and set-up. It is simple....If anyone is interested, I will share it. Post is too long.

    Have run 250 or so 45. The first 100 or so with the WW domed primers were shaky and I had a friend reseat or check the primer seating with his hand tool. Still had an occassional FTF, but restriking cured that. Once I improved (it was not fully or correctly adjusted as it is NOW), the FTF almost went away. With the Federal of the CORRECT Primer Cup Holder Indexing and Adjustment, all is well and they go BANG.

    Shot a 50 or so box of them yesterday. Maybe it was that I was sitting down or just more confident or warmed up...but I had the best 25 yard group of 45's that I have ever shot and my friend, who is a much better shot....said.... WOW...that is some shooting. So, the proof of the pudding is the holes in the middle of the black.
     
  38. KnotRight

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    Resized around 60 300 Black Out cases and about 125 223 cases. Then trimmed the 223 cases.
     
  39. BowWow

    BowWow Happy to be here

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    Sorted.....cleaned.....resized......cleaned again.....and organized a metric poop ton of brass. Now.....i finally get to load some rounds this week!!
     
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    Installed a shop light in the reloading area and printed a turning plate for flat nose bullets for my 3d printed bullet feeder.
     
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