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...not.

That is all.

I'm pretty sure that was more than 120 volts a/c

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Once had a summer job remodeling a convent. There were 7 or 8 of us high school kids helping the real contractor, not sure what the deal was. Anyway, we had to take the industrial range out of the kitchen. It was gas, but had an electric connection and someone decided that the only way to get the range out was to cut the conduit. It was my job to cut, there were 6 kids and a couple adults that were holding it up so I could shimmy under it. One kids job was to make damn sure that the power was off.

I wouldn't be telling this story if everyone had done their jobs. About 6" of hacksaw blade disappeared in a blinding flash with small bits reappearing in my face and head. Fortunately the guys holding the range didn't let go. The worker was released after remedial training that involved yelling and physical reinforcement, I was a very thorough trainer.
 
Bwahahahahaha. I found out the same thing once. Luckily I didn't hit myself just welded on the body for a little bit. Hell of a spark.
 
Evil spirits live in electricity.

Shutting down a HQ kaserne in Germany, we had to move a classified shredder that ran 380v (I think). Destination had the right power, but no outlet. Figured I'd throw the main & take the old outlet with.

Apparently there's a wire that stays hot, regardless of the breaker being thrown. Sumbitch blew me across the room.
 
So here's what's weird. The top oven is digitally controlled, and has never worked since we bought the house. It's an older house but the double oven was only a few years old (11 years ago). The bottom oven has "analog" dial controls and worked fine, till tonight. The oven was heating up, but not fully, and I noticed that the element had a dime sized hot spot, but the rest of it was not glowing at all, even though the oven was "hot".

So, I removed the element from the non-working top unit and swapped it with the one below that was apparently burning out. Once I had swapped heating elements the one installed below now glowed evenly, so I figured I had fixed the bottom one.

I walked past it three hours later and felt warmth coming off it, and discovered the bad burner from below (now up top) glowing with it's one hot spot like before in the top oven that never worked before, but the digital controls won't turn it off, so I turned it off at the breaker box.

Bewildered.
 
The most common accident with homeowners working with electric-
Getting shocked.

The most common accident with electricians-
Falling off ladders.

Rule #1 with electricians...don't get shocked.
But no-one ever told us to not stand on or above this step. :rolleyes:
 
If it's an electric range, it is indeed 220 (I help spec range cords in my spare time at work). That must've felt good haha!
 
Jerzsubbie;n96115 said:
If it's an electric range, it is indeed 220 (I help spec range cords in my spare time at work). That must've felt good haha!

It's good there were no women and children within earshot. lol
 
fieldgrade;n95936 said:
I remember trying to change out a broken clock in an electric stove/oven about 30 years ago. I figured the clock was low voltage, right.

Wrong.

Its not the volts. Its the amps, and they's a whole lotta amps in a stove. I been shocked by AC current, DC current, outlets, batteries, even a welder. I hate working with the stuff, can't see it, only know when it's there, real sudden like.
I'm just glad we get thunder, so I know the lightning missed.
CF
 
Friday;n96110 said:
The most common accident with homeowners working with electric-
Getting shocked.

The most common accident with electricians-
Falling off ladders.

Rule #1 with electricians...don't get shocked.
But no-one ever told us to not stand on or above this step. :rolleyes:

Some of the crap we used to do back in the day. I still have the scars from falling off the ladder. :)
 
I've teached myself in my vast electrical knowledge that 220 will knock you loose while standing in a puddle of water where 110 will hold on to you a bit. Actually it wasn't water it was piss.
 
NCLivingBrit;n95892 said:
Some are 220 I believe

90% of home ovens and ranges are 240 volt/50 amp service.
Usually the largest electrical load in a normal house along with the water heater and furnace.
Oh yeah. They'll light you the eff up.
And 90% of those are plugged into a big receptacle....which is easily unplugged before working on it. (ahem,,@ fieldgrade)
But in FG's defense, many of those double ovens are installed in cabinets and hard-wired.
In those cases, folks remember quick-like where the breaker is after they get shocked. (ahem,,@fieldgrade) ;)
 
Saw this picture today and thought it was fitting of the thread.

Glad it worked out and only a short period of pain. I have been lucky most of my experience getting shocked has been electric fences with wet gate handles and wet feet but have had the joy of getting against a weedeater spark plug that was missing the boot when it was running and thats dang smarts as well.
 
Jp8819;n96178 said:
... but have had the joy of getting against a weedeater spark plug that was missing the boot when it was running and thats dang smarts as well.
I am reminded of my dad's old lawnmower that would only shut off by removing the plug wire, back in the 60's.
I never used a pocket knife to do that again.
 
Oddly, spark plug wires don't phase me. Hell, even 120v electrified water (flooded basement) does little more than tingle a bit, but the first time I welded a screwdriver to a light socket, I realized that maybe being an electrician was not in my future.
 
fieldgrade;n96180 said:
I am reminded of my dad's old lawnmower that would only shut off by removing the plug wire, back in the 60's.
I never used a pocket knife to do that again.

Ha! My Dad had one of those too! You only did it wrong once.

BTW that's a fine pic of you above. I hadn't realized how much you resemble Jerry Garcia. Toucha grey and all that.. Glad you survived.
 
fieldgrade;n96215 said:
Any of you old farts ever charge up a condenser out of a distributor and hand it to a noob in the shop and ask them what that wire lead is?

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

No, Ive never done that.

Somehow I knew I could find the source of your bad Karma.....And here it is. It should be no surprise that later in life Edison's demons would hunt you down, for using Tesla tech for nefarious giggles.

You wanna talk about giggles? I had me some when I read the title to this thread. I could just see you not following proper lock out- tag out procedure. Oh but I did laugh! Like John Koffey and them little blondheaded girls, watching Mr. Jingles roll dat spool at Mouseville!
 
Crazy Carl;n96203 said:
Oddly, spark plug wires don't phase me. Hell, even 120v electrified water (flooded basement) does little more than tingle a bit, but the first time I welded a screwdriver to a light socket, I realized that maybe being an electrician was not in my future.

My mom is similar with electric fences. She would pick up fence put it back in insulators if it was out , grab the wire and never get shocked and always bragged to my dad, brother and me and laugh at us if we got hit. Well one day we had a temporary fence put up and it got knocked down so she was going to be like normal and fix it with it on. She was walking along with the wire in her hand and decided to straighten up the temporary post while holding the wire except when she grabbed the post she didn't think about it being a metal post, boy did she get a surprise of what she had been missing. She didnt think our laughing was so funny. Needless to say she is not as eager to mess with the fence.
 
I had an electrician on a remodel ASSURE me that, oh yes, that circuit was dead, he'd cut the breaker for all of the radiant heat lines himself... then got a nice 220v zap to the chin from dangling wire as I mounted the 3rd rung of a stepladder. Felt like a solid punch from a guy much bigger'n me.

Funny part was I was on the ladder one second, then ZAP, and I was suddenly standing upright 5' away from the ladder. No idea how I got there.

I once heard it said: "110 tickles; 220 hurts. 440'll make you cry." I'm 2/3 of the way to a definitive proof of that theory.
 
Lucky13bullets;n96325 said:
my lazy but decided to plug the vacuum into the plug in the galley rather than roll out an extension cord.... well, it is 120 but 400hz also... ever wonder what a shop vac does when plugged into 400hz? it goes real fast for like 3 seconds then the plug that you are still holding decides to vaporize in your hand...... leaving a nice scar, and hitting you with the same voltage

Hmmmmm....That sounds like it really......sucked.








BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll probably die from electrocution this week after all this.
 
So a few years back......

We were having trouble with the preheat burner ignition system. It was always a pain...In more ways than one.
The preheat burner is a contraption that preheats the windbox on an enormously enormous incinerator. This thing puts out about 40 billion BTUs ( not really but....Burning 6000 SCFH of natural gas....It's a lot you do the math)
With such a burner you need a big pilot and a big spark to light that pilot. To spark both those spark plugs you need a LOT of juice, and that rigged to give a continual pulse.

Well it is very noisy down there and I am standing by the voltmeter while....Let's call him Dwayne, since that is his name, takes off the leads. He screams, "is it o....?"
I scream, "it is o...."
He poses the question again, and as he can't hear me, I give him the shake my head and knife accross the throat sign. That should have been read as, "it'll cut your throat", or something to that effect. Obviously he thought it meant "off" which it most assuredly was not.
As I saw him reach for the wires I screamed and shook my head....But it was too late...
As the force of three tazers and 14 cattle prods coursed through Dwayne's nervous system.....He screamed.....A lot of things that I cannot repeat here. Off or on were none of those words.
Chalk another up to improper lockout tagout procedure.
I swear to this day he twitches every time he walks by that preheater.

As an update, our new refit included a vastly updated ignition system. When I saw the old relays lying in a heap nearly two years ago now, I had to shed a little tear. We have some new guys that would have greatly benefitted, from the intense training it could have provided, in communication, and voltage resistance of the human body.
"Drink this Gatorade kid, that preheater isn't lighting and you'll need to keep your electrolytes balanced for your training. Might want to take out them earplugs too."
"But...The noise?"

"Trust me kid, decades, I been doing this decades."
 
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I guess there is a reason why at work they EMPHASIZE that NOBODY ELSE can lock out / tag out equipment that your working on. You can verify equipment they've locked out and appky your own lock, but nobody can do it for you.
 
Tailhunter;n96617 said:
You really need to start calling people to do these things. Unplugged the juice can't get you!

DIY is not for you.

I fix everything around this crotchety house. Just because it usually involves high drama doesn't mean it doesn't get fixed.
 
fieldgrade;n96633 said:
I fix everything around this crotchety house. Just because it usually involves high drama doesn't mean it doesn't get fixed.

I realize that you are just trying to impress the lady of the house but this stuff can get you killed.

And remember if you die early you miss out on the zombie apocalypse.
 
Tailhunter;n96638 said:
I realize that you are just trying to impress the lady of the house but this stuff can get you killed.

And remember if you die early you miss out on the zombie apocalypse.

I've been fixing crap since I was 12 you old coot. I haven't shocked myself in probably 20 years. I was past due.

And don't you have a BST complaint thread you need to go post in?
 
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