When society comes apart, our relationship with the police CHANGES.

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So many law abiding, "salt of the earth" type people are used to a friendly cozy relationship with police, and view them as the "good guys." This has been the perceived situation for some time, so that "back the blue" and respect for the police, viewing them as good and integral parts of societal order is .... or has been... the norm.

However, when moral rot sets in, the rot affects every institution. Why should you consider it odd if that rot and corruption affects police? It does, you know. I know there are cops in here, many of whom are NOT on the cusp of the transformation to despotic little tyrants, and (worse) those who actively work to suppress our rights and become a kind of ruthless enforcer of little tin pot dictators.....,, but it is silly to pretend that this is not occurring in our culture. You see it in the anti gun pogroms and willingness (sadly sometimes the EAGERNESS) to trample our rights in the quest for "security." It is worse in states where the left is in power, as the unchecked authority is bent towards goals which are blatantly evil. I see vids of Canadian pastors swatted on the highway, guilty of nothing more than the ghastly crime of publicly gathering to worship God outdoors during "Covid." Now this... not is Canada, NYC, California, or Colorado... but here in Raleigh https://www.liveaction.org/news/raleigh-driver-attempted-hit-pro-lifers/

I heard ..... I think it was Beck...., who said the most important elections will NOT be for president, but for states' attorney generals. They will decide who to prosecute, and who not to. The police WILL follow their leads. In NC, the police are part of a lawless order, increasingly committed to ideology over law.

If you just blindly wallow along, assuming "Protect and Serve" are operative phrases and that the cops are there to ENFORCE THE LAW, even (rather than to be keepers of the peace), you are going to find that the transition in your view of authority will be more painful than it need be.

For those of you who are more biblical in your views, there is a REASON why the world order of authority, political power, and judicial operation is referred to as a "beast." The same bible which has Romans 13, also has the entire book of Revelation, which over and over portrays the entire world authority system as a beast, drunk on the blood of the saints, hostile to God, hateful to His people, and opposed to anything that challenges its claim to ultimate authority. Although revolution *IS* in our vocabulary, the normal response to which we are called is: a) suffer injustice b) resist peacefully c) revolt peacefully d) flee and only at the end of this can we e) take up arms....., and even then not willy-nilly, but choosing to associate with a so called "lesser magistrate" in an attempt to replace corrupt power.

Just saying. It is worth considering that our relationship with the police has not changed......, and yet it has. Their perceived mission is going to reflect the general cultural ethos, and as that ethos becomes blind to intrinsic rights (and their source..... duh!), it is just going to be about enforcing power.

How are we to view this, and how are we going to teach our kids to view this? A mindless recitation of Romans 13, as though those were the only section of instruction we have, is not only surface and glib, but an actual IMPEDIMENT to thinking in a wholesome manner about authority, and figuring how we are to live in light of the current mess.

Rant over.
 
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The wife and I got into guns about 11 years ago. At that time, there was a lot of talk about the souring relationship with the police. It’s also about the time that the cop’s preferred pronouns became “law enforcement officer”, which has an intrinsically militaristic tone to it.

Unfortunately, I believe that any tax funded career enforcement organization will tend towards tyranny over time by its very nature. It doesn’t take a very deep reading of the founding fathers to see that they were opposed to standing law enforcement.
 
I've grown skeptical of police myself for very much the same reasons. Add on top of that they still have to "make money" by meeting quotas and the like.

Every single person or institution should be praised when they earn praise, critiqued when they need critique, and scorned when they deserve scorn. Blind obedience is a vice not a virtue as many people make it out to be.

If the recent rulings that the police have no true duty to defend (looking at you heavily Uvalde) doesn't shock you or change your perception of the institution, you simply aren't paying attention.
 
When governments go too far and society tears apart the LEOs go along with who pays them.

As to what changed...
The people didn't change. The .gov and their enforcement arm did.
 
None of this is new to law enforcement trading sides.
Look back at the old western towns and see how many of the outlaws would serve as town marshal for a while and then switch back to being an outlaw.
 
Humans are great. People suck. LEOs (cops, police, whatever, it's all semantics) are the same. Some are great, some are awful, but the organizations for which they work deserve a healthy respect (as would swimming with a shark, seeing a bear from 30 feet, etc) and little trust. But, nothing new, just rebooted.
 
The .gov is designed to suppress the people, taxes and all. The .gov uses marketing to drive a counter narrative to show the sweet side of the .gov

But if you do not pay your taxes, or get involved in the tax-payer collecting taxes to pay the .gov, you got law enforcement.

The only laws enforced directly relate to the collection of money.

Murder? Is killing a taxpayer
Theft? Stealing revenue generating property or cash for paying taxes
Speeding Tickets? Law enforcement generated tax
Illegal drugs? Stopping the trade of non-taxed goods
Catching a child molester? Makes taxpayers feel good, (marketing) These activities are also the lowest funded activities within the law enforcement agency

Now, the person who wants to be a police officer, does not see the role as a tax enforcer. I get that, the upper levels, do see the job as tax collection and enforcement. They know what the budget means, they know how to move money (taxes) and what elements of work create funding.

Show me one federal law enforcement agency that does not gain its powers of enforcement from tax collection laws? Name one, just one agency.

Thats how it is, and always will be.
 
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In Stairway to Heaven, Robert Plant sang,

Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run,
There's still time to change the road you're on



This is patently false.
 
The .gov is designed to suppress the people, taxes and all. The .gov uses marketing to drive a counter narrative to show the sweet side of the .gov

But if you do not pay your taxes, or get involved in the tax-payer collecting taxes to pay the .gov, you got law enforcement.

The only laws enforced directly relate to the collection of money.

Murder? Is killing a taxpayer
Theft? Stealing revenue generating property or cash for paying taxes
Speeding Tickets? Law enforcement generated tax
Illegal drugs? Stopping the trade of non-taxed goods
Catching a child molester? Makes taxpayers feel good, (marketing) These activities are also the lowest funded activities within the law enforcement agency

Now, the person who wants to be a police officer, does not see the role as a tax enforcer. I get that, the upper levels, do see the job as tax collection and enforcement. They know what the budget means, they know how to move money (taxes) and what elements of work create funding.

Show me one federal law enforcement agency that does not gain its powers of enforcement from tax collection laws? Name one, just one agency.

Thats how it is, and always will be.

Interesting. I will have to think about this.

I will counter with this (for now): The government was designed, its intent, for administration. The consequence is suppression, via burdensome regulation, which has to be paid for via taxation.

I want to think about this some more.
 
The perception of the police may have changed and so has the perception of the military. Given orders, both the police and the military will do the same, oaths be damned.
The oath still holds, and always will.
Its who tells the .mil and the .le who is the foreign and domestic enemy is...

That's where the power is held, in control of the dogs of war.
 
The perception of the police may have changed and so has the perception of the military. Given orders, both the police and the military will do the same, oaths be damned.
Especially true now that most of the LEOs and military personnel smart enough to trust were also smart enough to leave and pursue other work.
 
The oath still holds, and always will.
Its who tells the .mil and the .le who is the foreign and domestic enemy is...

That's where the power is held, in control of the dogs of war.

And therein lies the rub: I think a lot of people think that both mil and LE are 'just' going to violate the oath because they are anti-American, corrupt, whatever, and I think that gives them too much credit; I think they will violate the oath because a lot of them are simply being told who the foreign and domestic enemies are. That wording in the oath is purposefully vague, "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ...
 
And therein lies the rub: I think a lot of people think that both mil and LE are 'just' going to violate the oath because they are anti-American, corrupt, whatever, and I think that gives them too much credit; I think they will violate the oath because a lot of them are simply being told who the foreign and domestic enemies are. That wording in the oath is purposefully vague, "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ...

Right,
Who is bad and who is good is very disturbing.

This is the goal of removing history. To stop the conversation, change the learning path.
 
The .gov is designed to suppress the people, taxes and all. The .gov uses marketing to drive a counter narrative to show the sweet side of the .gov

But if you do not pay your taxes, or get involved in the tax-payer collecting taxes to pay the .gov, you got law enforcement.

The only laws enforced directly relate to the collection of money.

Murder? Is killing a taxpayer
Theft? Stealing revenue generating property or cash for paying taxes
Speeding Tickets? Law enforcement generated tax
Illegal drugs? Stopping the trade of non-taxed goods
Catching a child molester? Makes taxpayers feel good, (marketing) These activities are also the lowest funded activities within the law enforcement agency

Now, the person who wants to be a police officer, does not see the role as a tax enforcer. I get that, the upper levels, do see the job as tax collection and enforcement. They know what the budget means, they know how to move money (taxes) and what elements of work create funding.

Show me one federal law enforcement agency that does not gain its powers of enforcement from tax collection laws? Name one, just one agency.

Thats how it is, and always will be.
AFOSI, NCIS, CID, DCIS, CBP, any of the OIGs don’t collect taxes. Not trying to flame, but you painted all feds with a broad brush.
 
AFOSI, NCIS, CID, DCIS, CBP, any of the OIGs don’t collect taxes. Not trying to flame, but you painted all feds with a broad brush.
Dude,
The first four are law enforcement military. That have been used to investigate tax related events.

Cpb = CUSTOMS and BORDER Protection. Lol they collect tax... And alot of it.

OIG again, investigates tax frud against the .gov

John
 
Lol, just wanted to hear you think…
I get it.

When I was in the military I was happy to do any gig assigned. Now looking back on it only one was worth the effort.

I get the cop on the street and swat team member is doing the right thing, hell every day waking up to help the community.

Looking back in the summer of 2020, Raleigh PD stood by as public property was being destroyed. Why did they stand by? Because the supervisor told them too. If the same supervisor told them to push the crowd, they would have also.

Both situations, defending and supporting the community
 
The oath still holds, and always will.
Its who tells the .mil and the .le who is the foreign and domestic enemy is...

That's where the power is held, in control of the dogs of war.
You mean, like, the oath every politician takes to uphold the constitution?
 
Wait... some people don't hate the government? Policing is worse but its never really been all that great. The laws are still bad enough you can't have a good cop and that's normally the case most places.
 
Humans are great. People suck. LEOs (cops, police, whatever, it's all semantics) are the same. Some are great, some are awful, but the organizations for which they work deserve a healthy respect (as would swimming with a shark, seeing a bear from 30 feet, etc) and little trust. But, nothing new, just rebooted.
All cops are a problem beacuse the very laws they enforce aren't good to start with. Can't invite a single cop to my cocaine and machine gun party beacuse they're gonna arrest me for selling liquor on Sunday.
 
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