Where my runners at?

I have always despised running any appreciable distance.
Haven't run more than 200yds at once in 8 years. I started working on it a few weeks back, still sucks. May be starting to suck less. Never been competitive at it, so boredom sets in quick, probably never do anything over five miles.
 
Stupid long run and Murph next Saturday. Looking forward to having it finished. Have a full in March, a relay (Blue Ridge Relay) in September, and a Spartan Ultra next November. I have a LOT of running next year.
 
Stupid long run and Murph next Saturday. Looking forward to having it finished. Have a full in March, a relay (Blue Ridge Relay) in September, and a Spartan Ultra next November. I have a LOT of running next year.

I do the Murph once a year, Memorial Day. That's enough for me lol...

With my back and hips my running days are over. Oh, I can still go 3, maybe 4 miles, slow, but too much, too fast, too far, and my ortho starts planning his next vacation house...

I will go for fast walks with a ruck or vest....
 
I do the Murph once a year, Memorial Day. That's enough for me lol...

With my back and hips my running days are over. Oh, I can still go 3, maybe 4 miles, slow, but too much, too fast, too far, and my ortho starts planning his next vacation house...

I will go for fast walks with a ruck or vest....

Been doing a weekly Murph (sometimes double, I'm a glutton for punishment) preparing for this. After this I have no clue what I am going to do, but gotta start training for bigger stuff.

Do some rucks, have fallen off the ruck stuff for a bit, but did about 3 miles with the ruck on hills this morning.
 
Took my first trail run today. Really enjoyed it more that pavement. Going to be sore tomorrow. But happy with my time since I’ve not run in over a month.

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Is anyone going to the 40k race Feb 6 at Uwharrie?
My son, the one that sunk a hatchet into his leg last spring, is running, and we'll be there.
 
I am one of those "I hate running" folks too. I have hated it since the mile run in boy scouts. I suck at it. Nothing about running feels natural to me and I usually end up with knee and lower back pain. Probably because I plod along, up and down, poor posture, etc. etc.. My breathing has no rhythm, like the rest of me, and I am usually out of breath after a short jog.

I really want to get better at running, but it seems to be a skill that is destined to remain a mystery to me. I have no idea how you find out your "gait", let alone fix it!

That being said, several years ago some friends and I did a Spartan Sprint at the Whitewater Center and loved it. We tried a Warrior Dash as well, but the enjoyed the Spartan more. I was using the New Balance Minimus 10 Trail shoe that worked great, but they apparently don't make anymore.

Just this month I tried starting jogging again and it is ugly. I've been doing about 2.5 miles, 6 days a week and VERY slow. I went to Run For Your Life here in Charlotte and the watched me "run" in the store. Then recommended some shoes that seem ok. I still get the knee pain though. Maybe I will try out the Fleet Feet shop and see if they can help.

To top it all off, I found out I actually broke my pinky toe about 8 months ago and two different docs missed it on two different x-rays. So I have been making it worse while trying to "suck it up and just work through the pain". smh.

I do a mile three times a week @ 9 min.
Normally on treadmill @ planet fatness.
I think the streching beforehand is also very important for my quality of life.
I haven't hurt my back since I started the routine.

I sure do miss the indoor track at UNC....For many reasons. Most of which smelled like strawberry shampoo.
What stretching are you doing before running? Or was it the strawberry shampoo stretching that was helping? ;)
 
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I am one of those "I hate running" folks too. I have hated it since the mile run in boy scouts. I suck at it. Nothing about running feels natural to me and I usually end up with knee and lower back pain. Probably because I plod along, up and down, poor posture, etc. etc.. My breathing has no rhythm, like the rest of me, and I am usually out of breath after a short jog.

I really want to get better at running, but it seems to be a skill that is destined to remain a mystery to me. I have no idea how you find out your "gait", let alone fix it!

That being said, several years ago some friends and I did a Spartan Sprint at the Whitewater Center and loved it. We tried a Warrior Dash as well, but the enjoyed the Spartan more. I was using the New Balance Minimus 10 Trail shoe that worked great, but they apparently don't make anymore.

Just this month I tried starting jogging again and it is ugly. I've been doing about 2.5 miles, 6 days a week and VERY slow. I went to Run For Your Life here in Charlotte and the watched me "run" in the store. Then recommended some shoes that seem ok. I still get the knee pain though. Maybe I will try out the Fleet Feet shop and see if they can help.

To top it all off, I found out I actually broke my pinky toe about 8 months ago and two different docs missed it on two different x-rays. So I have been making it worse while trying to "suck it up and just work through the pain". smh.


What stretching are you doing before running? Or was it the strawberry shampoo stretching that was helping? ;)
The knee pain is possibly due to improper or inadequate stretching prior to running. That's my take away from 4 years of X-country in HS 30 years ago.

I wish I could still run, it would help me get my blubber under control. In HS I was pretty good with 4:30 mile, and a 14 minute 3 mile. Now days with the CIDP I'll fall flat on my face when my legs intermittently fail to get the nerve signals to move. If you keep at it I'll cheer you on from the sidelines and throw beer at you if you ever run a marathon.
 
Does sprinting count? I really love sprinting and conditioning work but I never felt accomplished with my running improvements.

it’s been a long time since I went for runs and equipment manufacturers seem more ingenious these days. What carry rigs are you guys using for your recreational runs?
 
I have been a runner since I was a young boy. Forest Gump comes to mind....
Some advice for those who Love and Hate to Run! Do not just mouth breathe.
Most Important - When running, Relax your ears.
If you can settle you ears while running, everything else will relax. You'll see and feel a difference in your running experience.
 
Finishing up 2 months of PT tomorrow. Slowly getting back in running, bust just for general fitness, so nothing far (>3 miles) and nothing fast.

One of my problems I found out in PT is my left ass muscles were weak and not working harmoniously (piriformis, hamstring, hip flexors, psoas). They are stronger now and my running is just so much easier, even though I am going slow and short.

For those of you with hamstring issues, Romanian single leg dead lifts are the ticket.

@matttahoe53 , nice pics. I was out west once and went for a run, thinking the distance to the mountains was 'just a few miles.' LOL...I am a poor judge of distance. The mountains are always a lot further away than they look.
 
@matttahoe53 , nice pics. I was out west once and went for a run, thinking the distance to the mountains was 'just a few miles.' LOL...I am a poor judge of distance. The mountains are always a lot further away than they look.

Yeah from where I took the picture it’s about 10-11 miles as the crow flies. I do miss running at sea level. I’m at 5900-6000ft of elevation.
 
Yeah from where I took the picture it’s about 10-11 miles as the crow flies. I do miss running at sea level. I’m at 5900-6000ft of elevation.

When I was at Lejeune (sea level zero) and went to the Marine Corps mountain warfare school in Bridgeport, Cali (elev 11K and change), on day two or three we did an inventory PFT including a 3-mile run. Gazelles who ran it in 15 minutes were lucky to do it in 24. At the end of the school we still weren't running 'our pace,' but definitely a lot better.

We did training in the Bob Marshall Wilderness Area in Montana, same issues. Elevation sucks.
 
Had what might have been the best run of my life Monday night after work. Been working on my breathing and it was a game changer. I have a route that is 3 miles, out and back. Normally I stop 4-6 times to walk, bring my heart rate down, and catch my breath. This time I ran half way out before walking. Walked a bit at the turn. And ran the entire length back, plus a little extra to get me over 3 miles.

Nose breathing the entire time. And it made all the difference in my stamina. Breathing deep and through your nose works so much better than short mouth breaths. I always thought I was just that out of shape. And all that time I just wasn't breathing correctly.

Going to try and get another run in tomorrow night after work.
 
Had what might have been the best run of my life Monday night after work. Been working on my breathing and it was a game changer. I have a route that is 3 miles, out and back. Normally I stop 4-6 times to walk, bring my heart rate down, and catch my breath. This time I ran half way out before walking. Walked a bit at the turn. And ran the entire length back, plus a little extra to get me over 3 miles.

Nose breathing the entire time. And it made all the difference in my stamina. Breathing deep and through your nose works so much better than short mouth breaths. I always thought I was just that out of shape. And all that time I just wasn't breathing correctly.

Going to try and get another run in tomorrow night after work.

Jeff Galloway (if you don't know him, he's a prolific runner and running coach) developed this run-walk-run plan. http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/run-walk/

I have done it, some. It did keep my knees and hips from being so sore on days after a long run. A friend of mine, sports med doc at UNC, is a triathlete and a marathon runner. He did a marathon doing run-walk-run and beat his best time by a couple minutes. He went back to straight running, but now as a sports med doc he uses the plan for new runners or injured runners, or runners trying to ramp up mileage.
 
Jeff Galloway (if you don't know him, he's a prolific runner and running coach) developed this run-walk-run plan. http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/run-walk/

I have done it, some. It did keep my knees and hips from being so sore on days after a long run. A friend of mine, sports med doc at UNC, is a triathlete and a marathon runner. He did a marathon doing run-walk-run and beat his best time by a couple minutes. He went back to straight running, but now as a sports med doc he uses the plan for new runners or injured runners, or runners trying to ramp up mileage.

I'll look into that. But I use it trail running now. The spot I run after work is rolling hills so I'm intentionally pushing myself harder there. The trail runs I normally walk the steeper uphill parts. What I've found is if my heart rate and breathing get out of control my stamina crashes. Keeping those under control lets me push things further and a bit harder. But I can't quite manage running the uphills at this point.
 
I'll look into that. But I use it trail running now. The spot I run after work is rolling hills so I'm intentionally pushing myself harder there. The trail runs I normally walk the steeper uphill parts. What I've found is if my heart rate and breathing get out of control my stamina crashes. Keeping those under control lets me push things further and a bit harder. But I can't quite manage running the uphills at this point.

I love trail running. It builds your lower body and core so much better because you have to stabilize over rougher terrain.

You SHOULD breathe harder/higher HR should lead to crashing...that's going from aerobic to anaerobic, which is unsustainable. Try running the non-hills noticeably slower--like 2 mi/min slower--then try the hills. Also rucking or walking with a plate carrier/weight vest will condition your lower body for better output on hills.
 
I love trail running. It builds your lower body and core so much better because you have to stabilize over rougher terrain.

You SHOULD breathe harder/higher HR should lead to crashing...that's going from aerobic to anaerobic, which is unsustainable. Try running the non-hills noticeably slower--like 2 mi/min slower--then try the hills. Also rucking or walking with a plate carrier/weight vest will condition your lower body for better output on hills.

I walk them pretty darn fast, just not a run. When we go hiking I pack all the stuff so I’m carrying weight.

Honestly, I’m driving and unloading trailers 5 days a week. It’s hard to push yourself to crashing/exhaustion AND know your going into a physical job the rest of the week. Going into work tired and sore sucks. So I’m kind of careful in how hard I push things.
 
I walk them pretty darn fast, just not a run. When we go hiking I pack all the stuff so I’m carrying weight.

Honestly, I’m driving and unloading trailers 5 days a week. It’s hard to push yourself to crashing/exhaustion AND know your going into a physical job the rest of the week. Going into work tired and sore sucks. So I’m kind of careful in how hard I push things.

Yeah, that's hard. It's easier for me to meter out super hard workouts because I have a more sedentary job. When I was working more physically more often it was hard to get into a cycle where I did not feel gased a lot.
 
Saw that, no thank you. Biggest danger for me is heat stroke once summer hits. Don’t know how to explain it but the sun feels dangerous here combined with no humidity you don’t realize how dehydrated you get. Plus I refuse to carry water.

Although you aren't at 15K, you are high enough that there is an increased effect from the sun. Altitude is a real thing.
 
I took up trail running back in September, and holy cow, I've got the bug big time. Planning my first 10k at the end of February.

Something about running trails, in the dark with a headlamp that I've fallen in love with. I think I might be disappointed when the time change comes and makes it lighter later.

I ran a 10K.

Once.

That was more than enough for me.

I was a proud member of the Three-Mile-A-Year Club during my 20 years with the Navy. It's not that I had a problem with passing the run. I didn't. I just don't LIKE running for the sake of running. (Read: for "exercise").

If running is part of another activity (like sports or running around in the woods or something), great. But I just wasn't into running for the sake of fitness. Boring.

The 10K I ran was the culmination of all the PT I did when I was a Chief Selectee. It was a stated goal that our entire group of Chief Selectees would collectively run a 10K as our last run, just before we put our anchors on. (There's a story behind that, too.).
 
I ran a 10K.

Once.

That was more than enough for me.

I was a proud member of the Three-Mile-A-Year Club during my 20 years with the Navy. It's not that I had a problem with passing the run. I didn't. I just don't LIKE running for the sake of running. (Read: for "exercise").

If running is part of another activity (like sports or running around in the woods or something), great. But I just wasn't into running for the sake of fitness. Boring.

The 10K I ran was the culmination of all the PT I did when I was a Chief Selectee. It was a stated goal that our entire group of Chief Selectees would collectively run a 10K as our last run, just before we put our anchors on. (There's a story behind that, too.).

LOL, the biannual 1.5 mile PRT run....

I was disappointed in the lack of running in boot camp (see other thread, Great Lakes in Feb/March, too snowy and icy to run outside), I was integrated into the NSW contracted group to do extra PT at 0300. Our RDC told us we could 'run in place' after lights out, so some of us did.

Officer school was a little better, but even then the longest run was the graduation company run which was SLOW.
 
I took up trail running back in September, and holy cow, I've got the bug big time. Planning my first 10k at the end of February.

Something about running trails, in the dark with a headlamp that I've fallen in love with. I think I might be disappointed when the time change comes and makes it lighter later.
It's always something that's interested me. I used to be on the triathlon, marathon circuit but fell off the wagon after covid and moving here. I would like to get back into it but not at that level. I don't like the time commitments all of that training takes. Having said that there is not better feeling than hitting mile 18 and realizing you've still got so much more in the tank. I never understood a runners high until I got to those distances. What shoes are you running in?
 
LOL, the biannual 1.5 mile PRT run....

I was disappointed in the lack of running in boot camp (see other thread, Great Lakes in Feb/March, too snowy and icy to run outside), I was integrated into the NSW contracted group to do extra PT at 0300. Our RDC told us we could 'run in place' after lights out, so some of us did.

Officer school was a little better, but even then the longest run was the graduation company run which was SLOW.

Yeah, I did boot camp in sunny Great Mistakes. Arrived December 9th, 1985, first official day December 10th. I'm originally from Lafayette, Indiana, so it didn't surprise me that all the mud the day I arrived had completely frozen over by the next morning.

When we marched everywhere while I was up there, NONE of it was "double time" because of safety concerns. Our running was around an indoor track. And, if memory serves me correctly, the run we had to pass was 2 1/4 miles, not 1.5.

That was a challenge for me, not because I was fat or anything. I ended up being Division Mail Petty Officer, which meant I didn't get to do a lot of PT with the company. I passed the run...but my side hurt like hell. (Failure is not an option when you look at what you have to endure between then and the next PT. Life doesn't get any better/easier when you fail PT.)
 
Yeah, I did boot camp in sunny Great Mistakes. Arrived December 9th, 1985, first official day December 10th. I'm originally from Lafayette, Indiana, so it didn't surprise me that all the mud the day I arrived had completely frozen over by the next morning.

When we marched everywhere while I was up there, NONE of it was "double time" because of safety concerns. Our running was around an indoor track. And, if memory serves me correctly, the run we had to pass was 2 1/4 miles, not 1.5.

That was a challenge for me, not because I was fat or anything. I ended up being Division Mail Petty Officer, which meant I didn't get to do a lot of PT with the company. I passed the run...but my side hurt like hell. (Failure is not an option when you look at what you have to endure between then and the next PT. Life doesn't get any better/easier when you fail PT.)

I think the high temp in my time there was 10 degrees. We lost a few people because they slipped on the ice and put their hand out to catch themselves and broke their wrist. Yeah, no running outside. I thought the run was just 1.5, but it may have been more, I don't recall.

I didn't 'hate' boot, but I didn't care for a lot of the BS. For a week I was AROC (?), called the cadence. One of the RDCs, a chief (messman lol) didn't like it so he fired me, which I was fine with. The only time I got a chat and punitive PT was when I told him he could stick that position where the sun don't shine (I told him I had real-life leadership jobs and I didn't want it anyway). He pulled me aside for a real heart-to-heart, then publicly thrashed me for about 20 minutes.
 
I think the high temp in my time there was 10 degrees. We lost a few people because they slipped on the ice and put their hand out to catch themselves and broke their wrist. Yeah, no running outside. I thought the run was just 1.5, but it may have been more, I don't recall.

I didn't 'hate' boot, but I didn't care for a lot of the BS. For a week I was AROC (?), called the cadence. One of the RDCs, a chief (messman lol) didn't like it so he fired me, which I was fine with. The only time I got a chat and punitive PT was when I told him he could stick that position where the sun don't shine (I told him I had real-life leadership jobs and I didn't want it anyway). He pulled me aside for a real heart-to-heart, then publicly thrashed me for about 20 minutes.

Navy boot camp wasn't "challenging" in my opinion. I viewed it as more of a reminder that you were no longer a civilian.

There were a few people who were dickheads, which I had to work hard at not rolling my eyes at. I was 21 years old at the time, and DEFINITELY not some ignorant, slack-jawed, booger-eating moron anchoring the low end of the maturity scale. My CCs were damn good, though.

Probably the biggest dickhead was the guy I ended up seeing on "career day", which is the only way I can think to describe what we did that day. I enlisted under the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, so I already knew I was in that program. When I got to the career counselor (or whatever the f*ck the title of this dickhead was) to figure out what my rating was going to be, he asked me what I wanted to be, ET, EM, or MM. I told him "ET" and he asked why. I said because I had three years of formal training in electronics in high school, an Associates degree in electrical Engineering Technology plus one year in college, and plenty of experience in troubleshooting/repair on electronic systems. He made a big show of frowning and conceding to assigning me an ET rate and followed up with "BUT IF YOU TELL ANYBODY I DID THIS, I'LL YANK THAT RATING SO FAST YOUR HEAD WILL SPIN!" (Paraphrasing, I don't remember the exact words.)

All I do remember thinking was "Yeah, right, just do your job you f*cking dickhead."

I had little patience with dickheads like this during my 20 years in the Navy, and as I gained rank and authority, I was plenty adept at calling such dickheads out for what they were.

Like the MAA dickheads who would literally stand outside the base barber shop and write people up for needing a haircut as they walked up to the door.

Or the MAA dickheads who wrote me up for jaywalking for crossing against a red light that never changed while they sat there in their duty van and watched. "What am I supposed to do with this?" "Give it to your LPO." "I am my LPO. So I guess we know exactly how far this is going to go, don't we?"

Or the Senior Chief who ONLY yelled at people when the Engineer or someone else was around to hear how he could yell at someone for some problem.

Being in a position of authority means acting with the maturity level commensurate with that. Flexing your authority just to intimidate or belittle someone didn't fly with me.
 
Navy boot camp wasn't "challenging" in my opinion. I viewed it as more of a reminder that you were no longer a civilian.

There were a few people who were dickheads, which I had to work hard at not rolling my eyes at. I was 21 years old at the time, and DEFINITELY not some ignorant, slack-jawed, booger-eating moron anchoring the low end of the maturity scale. My CCs were damn good, though.

Probably the biggest dickhead was the guy I ended up seeing on "career day", which is the only way I can think to describe what we did that day. I enlisted under the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, so I already knew I was in that program. When I got to the career counselor (or whatever the f*ck the title of this dickhead was) to figure out what my rating was going to be, he asked me what I wanted to be, ET, EM, or MM. I told him "ET" and he asked why. I said because I had three years of formal training in electronics in high school, an Associates degree in electrical Engineering Technology plus one year in college, and plenty of experience in troubleshooting/repair on electronic systems. He made a big show of frowning and conceding to assigning me an ET rate and followed up with "BUT IF YOU TELL ANYBODY I DID THIS, I'LL YANK THAT RATING SO FAST YOUR HEAD WILL SPIN!" (Paraphrasing, I don't remember the exact words.)

All I do remember thinking was "Yeah, right, just do your job you f*cking dickhead."

I had little patience with dickheads like this during my 20 years in the Navy, and as I gained rank and authority, I was plenty adept at calling such dickheads out for what they were.

Like the MAA dickheads who would literally stand outside the base barber shop and write people up for needing a haircut as they walked up to the door.

Or the MAA dickheads who wrote me up for jaywalking for crossing against a red light that never changed while they sat there in their duty van and watched. "What am I supposed to do with this?" "Give it to your LPO." "I am my LPO. So I guess we know exactly how far this is going to go, don't we?"

Or the Senior Chief who ONLY yelled at people when the Engineer or someone else was around to hear how he could yell at someone for some problem.

Being in a position of authority means acting with the maturity level commensurate with that. Flexing your authority just to intimidate or belittle someone didn't fly with me.

One of our RDCs was a MM1 (Blasick sp?), he was awesome. We had an ET2 Mixon--total dick--and that chief I had mentioned. The only time he was cool was during DC training because he was a mess crank on the Stark when it was hit by the Iranian Exocet. There was another chief than came and went through boot camp, he was pretty cool. He would do the "where you from, son?" thing, and when he found out I was from here, he'd pull me aside from time to time to talk college basketball...he was a huge bball fan and loved UNC and Duke. But Mixon and that one chief? Yeahhh, no.

Detailer story: I had a hybrid NSW contract so I worked out with guys who had the SEAL contract. This was before they had their own NSW-prep company and track. We went to the detailer on the same day, this was before SO was a rate so they all had a rate and had to go to A school before BUDS. One guy was going to be a GM and the detailer told him he needed to be in the real Navy before he tried BUDS and assigned him to a ship following A school. The guy freaked. I was a bit older (I was out of college), so I told him, "hey, let's just go back to Master Chief (SEAL, SEAL/dive motivator), tell him what happened....he'll figure it out." We did, the guy told him what happened, Master Chief asked me if that's how it went down, I said "damn straight, Master Chief.... the guy was pushing his authority around." He said, "we'll just see about that....you two with me!" He puts us in his car (his POV, not a Navy car), and we drove back. Master Chief walks in and just starts yelling. In 30 seconds that detailer had it fixed, and the guy had what he was supposed to have.

Most boot camp classes were just a blur. I did like the pool time and NSW prep, I liked DC training. Food was decent. But it was largely not challenging, you are right.
 
Heh...you can't spend much time in the military without eventually ending up working under some hardass or dickhead. I learned how to handle that when I worked under the Command Master Chief at CSG-6 in Charleston, SC many years ago.

This CMC was one of those hardass people to work for, and he'd quite frequently flip-flop on some things, annoying the heck out of us trying to do our jobs. And he had a short fuse. I was the LPO in charge of the Transient Division for a while, working directly under him. People checking into and out of their commands went through while they awaited orders, medical and legal hold people worked for us, etc. We assigned people to various places to work across the entire naval base while they were in transient status. When we had a fat three figures worth of people in transient division, it was easy to assign people everywhere. But as the naval base started downsizing, we could no longer assign people everywhere in the numbers people wanted. So some offices and such would start coming up short on people.

THEN they'd call Master Chief, who would then call me and yell at me, demanding to know why we weren't providing people to work for so-and-so.

And, of course, you always have the troublemakers to deal with, some of which were even First Class POs (E-6, for the non-Navy people). I had little time to put up with those idiots, ESPECIALLY my fellow E-6's.

When you work for a guy with a short fuse like the CMC, the answer is elegant. Make HIM the guy who decides where people are assigned and send HIM the troublemakers. In a sly, underhanded way, of course.

We had a sit-down with Master Chief and showed him the raw data. All these other locations were originally assigned transient people in the first place because you have to keep people busily employed. So people got used to us having a glut of transient personnel. Well, how many of these locations REALLY needed what amounted to glorified phone answerers? So we completely revised the list of places we assigned transient people to work and changed the numbers they were allotted based on how many people we REALLY dealt with.

Then, whenever they complained to Master Chief and he called us, we simply pointed out that document and said "Per the revised assignment list you approved, this office is only allotted 1 person. They currently have 3 and are asking for another one?" Then he'd hang up and call those people up and lay into them.

My real favorite, though, was how I dealt with Master Chief's short fuse. Master Chief loved yelling at people? Fine, I fed him a steady diet of troublemakers to blow up on. Made my life much easier.

And my absolute FAVORITE was a fellow First Class who, when I welcomed him to Transient Division his first day, told me he never stood a day of duty in his life and if I assigned him to a duty section he was going to take 30 days of leave. While sitting his fat *ss on the couch in my office, next to his fat *ssed wife.

I handed him a leave chit, told him is was in Section 1, pointed out the duty section block on the leave chit and said "since you've never stood a day of duty in your life, Section 1 goes in this block right here".

Then, a couple days later when I was in Master Chief's office for our weekly meeting, I fed that lazy, fat *ssed, POS to Master Chief.

"How're things going?"

"They're going OK, only a couple minor issues." (This is called "baiting the Master Chief" and it worked well.)

"What issues are those?"

"Well, a couple days ago I had a First Class check in, which was great because I needed someone to take on as a section leader, and he told me he never stood a day of duty in his life and if I assigned him to a duty section he was going to take 30 days of leave."


Enter massive explosion, dramatic exit of Master Chief down the hall to the office this guy was going to be working at when he got back from leave, and horrendous yelling for this guy to be "FRONT AND CENTER IN HIS OFFICE WHEN HE GOT BACK FROM LEAVE!"

I had a very docile First Class working for me when he got back from leave.
 
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