Which suppressor to get?

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I have narrowed it down to two but I can't decide which one I should get. The primary caliber I'm going to suppress is 300blk but I also will be using it on 308 and 223 so one that attaches to a muzzle brake is ideal.

I'm torn between the Dead Air Samdman L and the AAC-762-SDN. Is the Sandman worth the extra $300 or should I get the AAC and spend that $300 on ammo?
 
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I'm a bit unreliable as a source after hitting the range yesterday....but I would avoid anything with that 51t mount right about now.
 
I have an AAC 762 and have not had any trouble with the mount as Scott said I put a little grease on mine and when installing or removing mine I hold the latch open so it does not drag across the teeth. That said I love the Sandman I have
 
Tobrooks said:
I have an AAC 762 and have not had any trouble with the mount as Scott said I put a little grease on mine and when installing or removing mine I hold the latch open so it does not drag across the teeth. That said I love the Sandman I have
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Head to head if you could only have one, which one would you choose? And why?
 
Of the 2 I'd go with the Sandman ... I just do not like Freedom Group and their operations style. Dead Air and Mr Pappas, a small company out of GA, know customer service and support.

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I can't imagine buying a 51T suppressor with the other options available, regardless of cost. As in if you offered me one for $200, I'd pass.

Dead Air Sandman S or L
Rugged Surge or Razor
Silencerco Saker ASR
And due simply to the mounting system, the YHM ULT or Nitro
...and probably a couple of the Griffin offerings

(Everything I have uses YHM mounts, including a couple YHM cans, two SiCo Sakers, a SiCo Omega, and a handful of Form 1 cans)
 
I'm leaning heavily towards the Dead Air. Just out of curiosity does anyone know of a can that be put on a 308 SBR with an 8.5 barrel?
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I totally over looked that part. I guess that settles it. Thanks for the input everyone.
 
The Swamp Fox said:
Head to head if you could only have one, which one would you choose? And why?
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I would chose the sandman. The AAC was the first can I ever bought. I do like the way the Sandman mounts better and the sticker is really cool LOL. I use the AAC on my wife's (;)) Rem 700 308 and if I had it to do over again I would buy the DAA. My impulse was to buy my first one as cheap as possible and it was on sale. I just make the best of it but that said if I could go back that would not be the one I purchased. I also have a Mask an it is by far my favorite. If the wait times ever come down I will also purchase a Ghost!
 
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First off, are you looking at the AAC SDN6 or the 762SD?

The 762SD is about an ounce heavier than the Sandman L and the SDN6 is two ounces lighter than the Sandman L

Have you looked at the Griffin Recce 7? The Rugged Surge? Sig 762 QD? DA Sandman Ti? YHM Nitro 762? Griffin Optimus? Gemtech One?

Out of ALL of those, the AAC offering is the oldest type with zero improvements and is arguably the worst mount going right now. There are hundreds of threads out there about 51T mount issues based on lock up and rotational play. So many better options out there now. 51T is 10+ years old thereabouts....

How did you come to those two cans as your top two choices out of all the seriously great cans out right now?
 
Here's a schematic of the "between the teeth" rotational play with AACs 51T and 90T mounts. 90T was an improvement but basically polishing a turd

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How did you come to those two cans as your top two choices out of all the seriously great cans out right now?
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I'm sure there are tons of good options out there that I've never heard of. I basically took a couple I've seen at different shops and did a little google-fu on them. Most of them get similar reviews. When I found the ffl I'm going to use those are what he has on hand. It wasn't a big deal when I started but now muzzle brake attachment is a must. The ability to be used on my 308 sbr is another huge plus.
 
The Swamp Fox said:
I'm sure there are tons of good options out there that I've never heard of. I basically took a couple I've seen at different shops and did a little google-fu on them. Most of them get similar reviews. When I found the ffl I'm going to use those are what he has on hand. It wasn't a big deal when I started but now muzzle brake attachment is a must. The ability to be used on my 308 sbr is another huge plus.
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Lots of cans fit that bill

Also need to look at size/weight, customer service and company support (Surefire makes a great can for example but they have ZERO legacy support for their mounts).

Not my image but here's a Recce 7 on a 308 SBR

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For the size, the Recce 5/7 series cans offer a ton of performance. They mount up rock solid; no screwing up the QD and launching it downrange. POI is 100% repeatable and they sound great. I HIGHLY recommend the Recce 7
 
So many choices. I will definitely look into the Recce. I heard surefire doesn't have great support so they've never been in consideration.
 
You can't go wrong with most of them. The Griffin Armaments selections are nice, I have the Optimus, their taper mounts are nice, and double as great muzzle brakes also.
 
Swamp Fox, to throw my $0.02 in there, my 30cal can is an omega by Sico. It has the ASR mount and I have the ASR brakes on 2 AR's (223 & 300blk) and when needed can swap out to a threaded end cap to mount on my 308 bolt gun. I have no bad things to say about the can but the mount I found and it is documented that you don't hot swap the can on to a cold mount with the ASR mount. The hot can has expanded and when attached to the cold ASR mount it usually takes 2 band straps to undo. That said now that I've figured that out, I just wait for it to cool and shoot another gun. The Omega with the brake on the front really cuts down on the recoil of the 308, like a .410.

If I were in for another 30cal can I think I'd look into Rugged or Dead Air (but would be ok with another omega). I have a Rugged Obsidian (From tarheelstate) for my 45 cal can and really like it and the build quality.

PS don't limit yourself to the available options of the few cans your LGS might carry, there are two shops here Tarheelstatefirearms and JK that carry most cans and you can do most if not all of the paperwork through the mail. Most sheriffs offices can do the finger prints and you can get passport photos nearly anywhere. Give tarheelstate a call.

Good luck,
 
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So many choices. I will definitely look into the Recce. I heard surefire doesn't have great support so they've never been in consideration.
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Well.......Surefire is the provider of not quite half of what I have. I have called them twice about things. They provided many packs of shims and rockset at no charge the first time and the second I was put in touch with someone in design that answered my question in under a few minutes. I heared the same as you about their customer service, but that has not been my experience to date.
 
The Swamp Fox said:
I'm leaning heavily towards the Dead Air. Just out of curiosity does anyone know of a can that be put on a 308 SBR with an 8.5 barrel?
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Couple points to take notice of if the SBR you are planning to suppress is the HK in the picture:

1- The HK most likely has 15x1 LH threads. Need to make sure the suppressor manufacturer you select has that mounting option.

2- Expect to be replacing the backplate periodically as it bends due to the bolt slamming back way harder than normal with suppressor installed. Clubfoot stock with improved buffer helps prevent that.

3- You can change out the locking piece to 110 degree to increase dwell of rollers but will not really help much on an SBR.

4- You will probably be disappointed with the sound reduction being it is an SBR and that HK weapon does not suppress well.

5- If you do end up suppressing it, the QD mount should be a muzzle brake and the suppressor should have a full inconel or stelite baffle stack.
 
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Couple points to take notice of if the SBR you are planning to suppress is the HK in the picture:

1- The HK most likely has 15x1 LH threads. Need to make sure the suppressor manufacturer you select has that mounting option.

2- Expect to be replacing the backplate periodically as it bends due to the bolt slamming back way harder than normal with suppressor installed. Clubfoot stock with improved buffer helps prevent that.

3- You can change out the locking piece to 110 degree to increase dwell of rollers but will not really help much on an SBR.

4- You will probably be disappointed with the sound reduction being it is an SBR and that HK weapon does not suppress well.

5- If you do end up suppressing it, the QD mount should be a muzzle brake and the suppressor should have a full inconel or stelite baffle stack.
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Thanks for that info. I knew the threading might be an issue. PTR changed the way their threads from 15x1 to 5/8x24 but it was recent and I'm not sure if mine new enough. I emailed PTR and hopefully they can tell me based on serial number. The other stuff I have not thought about and the more I think about it I might not want to suppress it.
 
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Thanks for that info. I knew the threading might be an issue. PTR changed the way their threads from 15x1 to 5/8x24 but it was recent and I'm not sure if mine new enough. I emailed PTR and hopefully they can tell me based on serial number. The other stuff I have not thought about and the more I think about it I might not want to suppress it.
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That HK SBR is supposed to be loud and designed to destroy man and material.
 
I disagree with the need for full inconel/stellite baffles. 17-4ph stainless is sturdy enough. Here's a direct quote from Griffin Armament about why they don't use either:

"Our current heat treated 17-4 baffles are approximately twice as strong as stellite, and are lighter per unit of volume, so stellite is exponentially heavier for equal system strength. There are some really horrible options in the stainless alloy family, but 17-4 is a super alloy compared to 300 series stainless steels. Manufacturers almost universally use 17-4 for muzzle devices including brakes. Muzzle devices are the most abused part of the suppressor system. This should tell you something about 17-4 and it's worthiness as a material.

Not my attempt to say stellite is a bad material to use, both of these materials are good materials when compared to the formerly market leading 300 series stainless alloys. Just hoping to help people to understand that the upper echelon materials in the suppressor industry are comparably good with each possessing unique merits. We feel we are using the superior material. We chose 17-4 because we believe it to be the best material option on the market.

This is to some extent a philosophical engineering argument. I feel people have to have a very good understanding of what it is that the suppressor needs in order to be equipped to answer that. The questions will be, "what is more important- safety or wear resistance, weight, or performance." We chose safety, lightweight, and high performance. We want our products to have the highest safety factor possible within their product category.

"Years of internal testing has found 17-4 stainless steel to provide longer service life than 718 Inconel, the prior market leading alloy. 17-4 stainless is also twice as strong as cast Stelite 6."


If inconel or stellite was the end all, be all suppressor material, why wouldn't brakes (used as sacrificial baffles) be made of this wonder material?
 
So, I'm officially in the market for another .30cal can. The problem with threads like these ? Analysis paralysis. There's SO MUCH information out there, and so may opinions it's almost as bad as having no data at all.

With that being said, I think I'm leaning toward a DA Sandman S. Or a Surge. Maybe something in the TBAC line...
 
Tim said:
So, I'm officially in the market for another .30cal can. The problem with threads like these ? Analysis paralysis. There's SO MUCH information out there, and so may opinions it's almost as bad as having no data at all.

With that being said, I think I'm leaning toward a DA Sandman S. Or a Surge. Maybe something in the TBAC line...
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Already invested in a QD design?

Or prefer direct thread?
 
Tim said:
So, I'm officially in the market for another .30cal can. The problem with threads like these ? Analysis paralysis. There's SO MUCH information out there, and so may opinions it's almost as bad as having no data at all.

With that being said, I think I'm leaning toward a DA Sandman S. Or a Surge. Maybe something in the TBAC line...
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What gun/caliber are you looking to suppress?
 
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Already invested in a QD design?

Or prefer direct thread?
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He's got a 51T AAC 762SD and wants something precision minded, if I recall correctly

I'd say a TBAC Ultra 7 or 9, Griffin Recce 7 or Paladin, Gemtech ONE, Rugged Surge or Razor.... lots of good options right now.

AAC says not to use their 300-TM on a Ruger Scout, so that's out for you, @Tim
 
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.308 precision. Leaning towards the Sandman S.
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Going for lighter weight? Wont have the sound reduction as the L

The Recce 7 offers the same dB reduction as the Sandman L for the weight of the Sandman-S....
 
11B CIB said:
Going for lighter weight? Wont have the sound reduction as the L

The Recce 7 offers the same dB reduction as the Sandman L for the weight of the Sandman-S....
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see what I mean....analysis paralysis!

I liked the mounting system on the Sandman. Seemed well suited to repeatability.
 
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Tim said:
see what I mean....analysis paralysis!

I liked the mounting system on the Sandman. Seemed well suited to repeatability.
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Griffin's Taper Mount is what's up. No locking mechanism to fail, the taper aligns it identically each time. I've had no problems with carbon lock or heat issues making it impossible to remove. The design also keeps carbon from fouling the threads....perfectly clean below the small taper in front of the threads:

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From Griffin's Recce 7 page:
"Years of internal testing has found 17-4 stainless steel to provide longer service life than 718 Inconel, the prior market leading alloy. 17-4 stainless is also twice as strong as cast Stelite 6, used by other industry companies."


I have a Griffin boner. The Recce 5 has been fantastic for me.
 
11B CIB said:
Going for lighter weight? Wont have the sound reduction as the L

The Recce 7 offers the same dB reduction as the Sandman L for the weight of the Sandman-S....
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The REcce 7 certainly has some going for it...less expensive to begin with and $200 store credit would buy a couple more muzzle devices.
 
TARHEELSTATE said:
If you are looking for precision the a direct thread suppressor will offer the best repeatability.

Sandman Ti, SilencerCo Omega and Thunder Beast Arms Ultra 9 are the items I use/prefer.
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Sandman Ti is what Scott sold me and I can't complain at all. Thanks Scott and THSF for all the help the Last few years! I'm still thinking about that Ghost :)
 
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Tim said:
Decision made...just paid for an Omega from @TARHEELSTATE Scott gave me some awesome advice behind the scenes here, highlight recommended!
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It's about as versatile a can as there is today, other than one of the modular can like an Optimus.

I have a machinist that makes Ti flat end caps and direct thread mounts...for a good bit less than SiCo sells theirs for. My Omega weighs ~11.5oz with a Ti 1/2-28 adapter and 5.56 end cap (and that's what I run on my PS90 SBR). Let me know if you want his contact info.
 
BigWaylon said:
And are they still doing the extra mount and t-shirt with the Omega registration?
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Yes, I selected the hat and the flash hider. Did not qualify for the $200 gift card, ordered my Omega last May and it took 8 months.
 
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