Why do gun-owners continue to take the effects of the NFA with no fight?

Discussion in 'NFA - Stamp collecting' started by Neil Smith, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Neil Smith

    Neil Smith New Member

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    It's quite honestly sad that gun-owners will continually allow themselves to be subjugated to tyrannous gun-laws of the liking of the NFA without any fight. Just my two cents.
     

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    I'm not understanding the connection between your statement and the stock BCM photo....
     
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    Had to post some sort of photo.
     
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    While the video is in relation to taxes, the principle applies:

    The people will only be controlled if they allow themselves to be. It is their religious belief in (false) authority that binds them.
     
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    RedneckFur Smith & Wesson is a religion of peace.

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    I've thought on this a lot. I'm not a scientist or an expert, but I can share what I think.

    I think that there are a lot of small issues that play into it. First, most of the gun folks I know aren't naturally violent. All of the people I know who've went around with a chip on their shoulder, looking for fights, etc, have been non-gun folks. The gun owners I know usually want to seek a peaceful resolution to an issue.

    Gun owners tend to be independent actors/thinkers. Sure, there's some group think in every group, but while leftists are pros when it comes to organizing and doing things as a group (just look at all the marches and protests we've had in the last few years) Gun owners are less likely to band together for a common cause, even if they do agree with the cause.

    I also think that gun owners are less likely to drop work/family obligations to attend a rally or protest, where leftwing folks don't seem to mind at all.

    This puts us in a situation where the left is always well organised, with a plan in place, and have contacts in the media to paint a pretty picture of them. The right generally has smaller turnouts and isn't nearly as organised.

    Some of it is politics. Based on my own observations, left-wing politics seems to be proactive, while right wing politics are reactive. The left always gets to throw the first punch...both figuratively and literally. Its even in the names they use. Progressive= push for change. Conservatives= hold on to tradition and values.

    There's a lot of guys who never experienced life before the 1930's and 1960's NFA laws. They don't miss what they've never experienced. Heck, I'm one of these guys. I've never been able to buy an SBR, machine gun, or silencer at a hardware store with cash from my pocket. I would love to be able to do so, but having never experienced it, I don't really feel the loss of not being able to do so. Its difficult to get people to protest for something that they've never experienced before.

    Most guys don't want to be the proud nail either. I think most of us desire change in the way things are going, but few want to be the first one to stick his neck out. In the past, when people have asked "why aren't we protesting in DC?" I've told them that this morning I looked out my front door, and I didn't see anyone marching by. So today must not be the day. As long as the majority of us keep saying "nobody's doing it yet, so today's not the day" That day will never come.

    There's a lot of risk in being the squeaky wheel or proud nail these days. You can have your career and reputation ended by keyboard warriors. Your family threatened. If it goes far enough, you could end up with a Ruby Ridge on your hands. And I don't think anyone wants to be the first one in line for that.

    There have been lots of infringing gun laws passed around the US, but few of them have been passed *here*. Currently, if one takes an issue with how things are in Cali or Mass, they can always move to a southern or western state where rights are more respected. Sometimes pulling up roots and moving away is easier than marching to the capitol and making a fuss. Especially with the job opportunities found in the south these days. It can be a win-win for some.

    All that said, I am seeing the beginnings of conflict in the US. Mostly through things I read on the internet. I don't have cable, and I don't watch TV. Most of the people I talk to in my day-to-day seem pretty normal, if not just a little stressed by the state of the world. But things are building and getting heated. The left is hosting massive protests. Right wing protesters are starting to organize. In a few incidents, they've come to blows. The news is filled with bitter hate and insults. We're seeing the strongest pushes for socialism we've had since the great depression, and organized mobs destroying historical monuments and statues.

    I can think of a few historical events that all started out this way, and none of them were good. Something's going to happen. And I imagine it will be in the next 10 years or so.
     
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    Speaking as someone from NY, a lot of what RedneckFur said is on the money, especially not wanting to be the proud nail in a sea of people who'd like to see us all disarmed. My take is that our average standard of living is too high. Look what happened in Syria. Even though the government certainly did some tyrannical things here and there, for the average citizen, their life wasn't so bad. They had their designer jeans and shoes, and had ready access to internet and fun tv channels. Why should they cause trouble? The point where the local barber started taking up arms and really doing something about the situation, was when food started to run low and his area started getting blown up. We're so far away from that in the US that 99% of all gun owners will only ever fire their guns for recreation. First world problems. Me not having an "assault weapon" or an SBR isn't going to affect my life in any real way right now, because the time when we'd actually need it seems so far away for the average schmoe.
     
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    I agree on all counts. The last one reminds me of our forum member Hashknife. I envy you both for this. This is the only addiction I have.
    Lastly, this brings us to the question posed by our own friendly giant Jerry Lundy...What would have to happen for You to do something?....You being in the plural But as I love to say...We all have to seek our own salvation....But By God there Has to be a line!
     
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    Recently, actually after reading a certain book on the Internet, I've been wondering about a related question: when you (individually or collectively) do decide it's time to take action, how do you win the moral side of the battle? I think this is equally important as it will impact, if not determine, whether your actions are seen as justified by the public. For that master we have our own here that believe anything codified as "law" automatically makes it right and going against it, wrong.
     
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    9 years is my time line. This is how the German's were able to take prisoners of "the folks next door". Everybody took the path of least resistance til the knock came on their door.
     
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    My prediction is 2025.
     
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    Some people simply don't fight and choose to ignore what they think are unjust laws and do it anyway....

    We have all driven in areas with 45 MPH posted and all traffic is going 60....
     
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    - Bump-stock confiscation

    - Federal AWB

    - Federal Magazine restrictions

    - Federal Universal Background check/FFL transfers

    - Banning of parts kits, etc.

    Let the gov. pick it's poison.
     
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    By the end of the next election cycle I'm predicting. 2020
     
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    I think everyone has to realize that we all have our own red line in the sand.

    Some folk's line may be closer than mine, some the opposite. In either case, I should be ready to either join those who have started before me, or be willing to wait until I feel the time is right. There are moral consequences to both paths.

    But we shouldn't denigrate or disparage those brothers/sisters who's red line has been crossed. Ultimately, we would all join forces to oppose the tyranny in whatever method is needed.
     
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    Free men do free men shit.
     
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