Why is it so hard to find a plain 20 inch AR?

pipboy344 said:
No one wants to buy anything except the Mosin
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I saw your ads. Someone asked about price and pics. But you said trade only. And you don’t post pics of your firearms in your ads. Opening your guns up for sale/sell/sail instead of being dead set on trading and adding pics for everyone to see instead of making everyone contact you for specific pics might get you more interest. There are several things you can do different but it seems you aren’t willing to do those. Just an observation
 
Burt Gummer said:
I saw your ads. Someone asked about price and pics. But you said trade only. And you don’t post pics of your firearms in your ads. Opening your guns up for sale/sell/sail instead of being dead set on trading and adding pics for everyone to see instead of making everyone contact you for specific pics might get you more interest. There are several things you can do different but it seems you aren’t willing to do those. Just an observation
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1: I said I did in the past and all they ever wanted was the Mosin, guess what rifle he was inquiring about? The Mosin specifically, is something I need, so i’d like a guarantee that losing it will give me something I’ve wanted my whole life and could serve the same purpose (in most states). 2: I send pics via PM because the ads would be flooded by all of them, also it won’t let me put more than three in a single post, again flooding.
 
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One other thing to remember about the Colt Sporters is that they stopped making the small take down pivot pins and came out with those large pivot pin holes. Not something to really worry about if you can find a complete rifle. Colt was making a hybrid rifle for a long time with parts that they had on hand. IE. A1 sighted upper with round handguards, some other A2 modifications and calling it a AR15A2 which it wasn't really. Then with/without Forward Assist or the brass defection knub, with/without bayonet lug, with/without Flash Hinder, A1 pencil barrel, A2 Govt bbl in either 1:9 or 1:7, Hvy bbl both twists, A2 upper, A1/A2 stock, Large/Tear Drop FA, fence/no fence around mag release on lower, A1/A2 pistol grip. I would also assume that allot of those older rifles were sold to those states that have Assault Rifle bans but allow those produced prior (hence pre ban) and bring a premium there as they can't have any newer ones and market is limited like Class III full autos. I wish I would have bought one of those A1 parts kits that were on the market only 6 yrs ago!

Wish you the best in your quest in finding that rifle. If you would have been willing to build I would offer my services as you are only 30 miles away but I'm down range again.

CD
 
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Wow...459 phone calls and not a single lead. I've been called persistent before, but that's a whole new level. Good on ya for sticking to your guns!



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Burt Gummer said:
So, you don’t want to buy.
You don’t want to build.
You want a gun that if someone here had, apparently they don’t want to trade for what you have to offer.
You’ve got loads of stuff to trade because you don’t have the money.
Haven’t listed this stuff for sale to try and raise the money?
Have I got all that right?
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its sort of reminds me of the old adage... good, fast, cheap... pick two....
 
pipboy344 said:
Everyone that sells used firearms, once a month. Plus a few over the border in driving distance.
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EVERY gun shop & pawn shop in SC plus a few in NC
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Do you honestly expect us to believe you call nearly 500 shops every month? Wold expect you to say,"nah, that's just hyperbole", but the fact you've stuck to that story for so long is humbling. That's some dedication.
 
Tim said:
Do you honestly expect us to believe you call nearly 500 shops every month? Wold expect you to say,"nah, that's just hyperbole", but the fact you've stuck to that story for so long is humbling. That's some dedication.
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I’m not lying. Most of the calls last a few seconds, “Hello, do you have any AR-15s with a 20 inch barrel and no rails? No, all I have are ones with collapsing stocks/without a carrying handle. Thank you, have a nice day. *click*”
 
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pipboy344 said:
No one makes “the thing that is almost the thing”. Every single pre-built retro rifle on the market is a frankengun I’d have to replace almost all the furniture, the barrel, probably the lower on, and refinish everything.
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Well that should tell you you're going to have to build your own then, no?
 
You're too damn stubborn for your own good. Obviously your preferred method isn't working, you're probably gonna have to switch things up a bit or come to the realization that you simply won't get this now rare rifle.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
You're too damn stubborn for your own good. Obviously your preferred method isn't working, you're probably gonna have to switch things up a bit or come to the realization that you simply won't get this now rare rifle.
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pipboy344 said:
They need to go back to training with the carrying handles on instead of only having them for parade.
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Back to the 1903, I say. Learn the fundamentals with none of this self-loading nonsense.

And make sure it's a leather sling, not cotton. And the parkerizing better be the right shade.
 
Matt K said:
Back to the 1903, I say. Learn the fundamentals with none of this self-loading nonsense.

And make sure it's a leather sling, not cotton. And the parkerizing better be the right shade.
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You joke, but they’re still popular for match shooting, and the Pedersen Device makes it semi-auto. Unfortunately most of them were ordered destroyed and only a few are owned by collectors.
 
That M1907 leather sling is still issued with sniper rifles today. But iron sights are only giving a quick use as its optics that rule the shooting in the Armies today. Troops are engaging targets at night and on the move now. Another biggie is that we're now held accountable for those fired down range and make positive ID. Well I enjoy using iron sights on M16 (600yds) and M14 to shoot out to 1000 yds, they've been passed by technology and not relivement on the modern battlefield. Same as a M4 Sherman isn't our front line MBT.

CD
 
SLM said:
BAH!! All you Nancy McCandypanties with your little .30 cal squirrel guns, your unnecessary rifled barrels and your iron sights...Here's my idea of a battle rifle...

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And, it's legal in California!

Edit: Wait my bad, folding stock is no bueno.
 
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SLM said:
BAH!! All you Nancy McCandypanties with your little .30 cal squirrel guns, your unnecessary rifled barrels and your iron sights...Here's my idea of a battle rifle...

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No iron sights? Shame...
 
SLM said:
BAH!! All you Nancy McCandypanties with your little .30 cal squirrel guns, your unnecessary rifled barrels and your iron sights...Here's my idea of a battle rifle...
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That's it, let's just go back to a sharpened stick. Walnut, of course.
 
I've seen this before. Guys that were insistent on only one thing/combination.
Don't try to dissuade them. They're hell bent on it.

Which is ok ya know, whether it's a gun or a motorcycle or whatever. America and all that.
But it's gotta be a 1962 Triumph 510 with the chrome tank and original Amal carb and drum brakes. Period.

But then they get it, (for a ton of money) and find out it's crap. Suddenly, the realization of why these-are-hard-to-find-anymore becomes glaring.
Step 2 is then spending 5 years and even more money trying to make it work like they dreamed it would.
Step 3, after about 12 years, is reluctantly accepting defeat and trying to sell it for the money they got in it, only to get angry that no-one else wants it and then get po'd at all the low-ball offers.

Step 4, find a 1959 Harley Sportster, repeat.
 
Friday said:
I've seen this before. Guys that were insistent on only one thing/combination.
Don't try to dissuade them. They're hell bent on it.

Which is ok ya know, whether it's a gun or a motorcycle or whatever. America and all that.
But it's gotta be a 1962 Triumph 510 with the chrome tank and original Amal carb and drum brakes. Period.

But then they get it, (for a ton of money) and find out it's crap. Suddenly, the realization of why these-are-hard-to-find-anymore becomes glaring.
Step 2 is then spending 5 years and even more money trying to make it work like they dreamed it would.
Step 3, after about 12 years, is reluctantly accepting defeat and trying to sell it for the money they got in it, only to get angry that no-one else wants it and then get po'd at all the low-ball offers.

Step 4, find a 1959 Harley Sportster, repeat.
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SP1 isn’t crap, and it’d take 5 minutes and maybe $10 to put a 3-prong on it.
 
I'd like to get one of those $10 3 prong flash hiders if you know where I can get one.
 
Maybe because unless yer shooting service rifle matches, the 20" barrels with carrying handle are about as useful as tits on a boar. 4" extra barrel length (vs. a 16") on a .223 gives you just about jackshit in terms of accuracy or ballistics. If you wanna play operator, the barrel gets in the way of every effing thing & if the 20"er was so great, the military never woulda gone to the 14.5" M4.

If you just want it to play dress up, yer probably gonna hafta build it yerself, in which case I recommend you stop picking flyshit outta pepper, buy the effing parts already & quit damn whining about it.
 
Reading this thread I guess I don't understand why anybody cares what he wants? I buy niche stuff all the time.

I guess I don't see where he's rubbing anyone the wrong way.
 
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