why one cop carries 145 rounds

Because he patrols a big, libtard, shiitehole city (like Pittsburgh), that's run by anqueefers, Dumbass Lives DON'T Matter, Crackas Be Protestin', et.al., instead of real grownups? :rolleyes:

145rds. sounds about right for third shift in Zones 1 or 3 in Pittsburgh. Hopefully, his first break comes at the 2 hour mark.




So he can RE-SUPPLY / RELOAD. :oops:
 
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That adrenaline will get you every time. Traditional spray and pray scenario. One second of patience and a careful aim to the head would have ended it.
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And it would have handily avoided the surgeon angrily asking: 'Why did the cop have to shoot him so many times?'
 
Jeppo the only thing I can add is what Grammins himself said in the immediate aftermath of his ordeal.

Paraphrasing, he stated that when he slowed down and tried to calm down and focused on the basics - he fired the shot that ended the fight. I believe him.

And today, if he feels he needs that much ammo - and weight - on his already heavy duty belt, more power to him. Those who go out there should have final say on what goes with them.

This incident has been seized upon, for years, by proponents of smaller calibers and multiple high cap mags. They spin it as some kind of "failure of the 45 round to stop the fight". When it was first presented to us in training, it was to point out the value of trying to remain calm and fall back on our training to "work the basics QUICKLY" and end the fight with shot placement. Regardless of caliber.

What was that Granny use to say about a hit in the eye with a 22 being better than a couple of misses with anything else? ;)

Buy and carry whatever you will. But DO TAKE the time to become proficient with whatever you choose. One thing I learned working GSW Homicide cases, you will be out of time LONG BEFORE you are out of ammunition. Whether you are carrying, 7, 9, 11 or 21 rounds. Shot placement and being firstest with the mostest usually wins the fight. The history and statistics of social gunfire, both LE and individual citizens bears this out.

The Grammins incident was an exception - as there always will be. So prepare and train. Learn from it. But don't hold it, or Grammins later decisions, up as an example of something they are not. Regards 18DAI
 
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Didn't he also start carrying his rifle in the front of his cruiser since he was afraid he wouldn't be able to get it out of his trunk just like in this scenario as well?
 
"squeezed off a controlled burst of three rounds".

Mmhmm.
 
I’ve never heard anybody say “gee, I think I’m carrying too much ammo” after something happened. Never, ever, ever heard that.
i have heard “I’m going to a higher cap” and “I need to change how I carry my mags” a lot.
18DA1 is correct; you don’t run out of ammo usually, you run out of time and distance first.
A handgun is a defensive tool, made for close and nasty work.
 
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We are having some kind of SWAT/POLICE type deal right now around my area. TheyI live way off the road and would be a good place to hid out if someone had a mind to. The GSD is loose and I’ve turned on all the outside lights, locked all the vehicles outside and locked and loaded both my rifle and pistol. I think I’ll sit up a while.
 
Because he has been indoctrinated by other cops to feel that he's more akin to an occupying soldier in a warzone than a public servant?
 
18DAI said:
Buy and carry whatever you will. But DO TAKE the time to become proficient with whatever you choose. One thing I learned working GSW Homicide cases, you will be out of time LONG BEFORE you are out of ammunition. Whether you are carrying, 7, 9, 11 or 21 rounds. Shot placement and being firstest with the mostest usually wins the fight. The history and statistics of social gunfire, both LE and individual citizens bears this out.
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In high school, we had an American History teacher that used to love this saying. He was smart and knowledgeable, but his lectures always put me to sleep.
But, this is one of the things I always remembered. I forget which general it was attributed to.
 
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IIRC The phrase "Firstest with the mostest" is attributed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Regards 18DAI
 
I absolutely believe in controlled fire to exact points to disable an aggressor.

I also believe in knowing that if my first 15 controlled shots go poorly I have many more to continue attempting to calm down and make the shot.

When I was stuck in the office of that hotel in Atlanta I wanted all I could get. But even then, one would have been far preferable to the 2 inch knife in my hand.


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