Why Russia will defeat the United States

JimB said:
I don’t think we’d beat Russia if we went to them, and they won’t beat us if they come to us. Same with China.
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This exactly.

We have oceans as borders. There's no need for us to 'defeat' Russia or China. Individual battles, sure. Naval engagements to secure safe passage, sure. But no way we'd 'conquer' either of those nations. And there's no need to.
 
A “war” with Russia (or even China) would likely not be one we’ve ever experienced. I don’t think the main attacks would be actual battles in the fields or air but it would be economic along with technology and infrastructure. I’m not sure how far an enemy would have to go but if the US power grid was attacked (EMP, hacked or physically sabotaged) we’d be SOL and most of the country would sign over their soles to the Devil fairly easy … very few rounds fired. Most US citizens are soft and weak so take their reliance on electricity and such for simple things and they would be begging for a meal in days.
 
Not sure if y’all ain’t been paying attention…but from the looks of it, the US has already been defeated. We elect communists as opposed to shunning them. We push socialist ideologies left and right. It only took a virus with a laughable mortality rate for the vast majority of people to run to daddy government to decide everything for them.

The communists didn’t need to fire a round.
 
Don’t underestimate the US when we have to come together. Like everything else it’s a numbers game.

 
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No doubt ChiCOM will use suicide satellites to take out our space based assets.
 


The Russian military is riddled with corruption. The Chinese military is likely at least as bad.

Russia has already set out it's reasons for a nuclear strike. Their policy is only in reaction to an invasion of their homeland.



A nuclear attack, while awful, won't kill everyone.

So, no, we would win a war with Russia. And we wouldn't start a nuclear war(and if we did, we'd probably survive, though it'd still suck a big one). We'd destroy their forces without bringing troops into their territory.
If we've learned anything from the Ukraine war, it's that every military looks foolish when going to war. We did, in 2003. But we've been practicing for 20 years. Russia hasn't fought a real war since 1945, China since 1980. And they're riddled with corruption. There's a lot of doom and gloom stories about the US, but they're mostly people trying to scare and influence people with them. In reality, we're pretty good, imo.
 
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They might defeat the USA, but the CSA would kick their ass. Just ask Banastre Tarleton how he fared against the Swamp Fox. So yes, there, we'd struggle. Here, it would be a slaughter.
 
pinkbunny said:


The Russian military is riddled with corruption. The Chinese military is likely at least as bad.

Russia has already set out it's reasons for a nuclear strike. Their policy is only in reaction to an invasion of their homeland.



A nuclear attack, while awful, won't kill everyone.

So, no, we would win a war with Russia. And we wouldn't start a nuclear war(and if we did, we'd probably survive, though it'd still suck a big one). We'd destroy their forces without bringing troops into their territory.
If we've learned anything from the Ukraine war, it's that every military looks foolish when going to war. We did, in 2003. But we've been practicing for 20 years. Russia hasn't fought a real war since 1945, China since 1980. And they're riddled with corruption. There's a lot of doom and gloom stories about the US, but they're mostly people trying to scare and influence people with them. In reality, we're pretty good, imo.
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I would consider the nine years the Soviets fought in Afghanistan a war.
 
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The Last Outlaw said:
I would consider the nine years the Soviets fought in Afghanistan a war.
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Good point, late and I'd forgotten that one.
But it proves my point. It helped break them. And they lost about as many in the first couple weeks of the Ukraine war as in all ten years of that one. They are not what we think they are.
 
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Good point, late and I'd forgotten that one.
But it proves my point. It helped break them. And they lost about as many in the first couple weeks of the Ukraine war as in all ten years of that one. They are not what we think they are.
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They have never been (what we think they are). Afghanistan was one of the dominos in the downfall of the USSR, and since then, in every military engagement we've seen inadequate tech, centralized C3, inept/uneducated NCO corps, outdated doctrine. It's like the USSR collapsed but never told their military. If it wasn't for them being a nuclear power, they'd be a third world military.
 
The Russians in Afganistan had the same success we did. Only we did it for twice as long.
We bailed out in helicopters exactly like Viet Nam. We did not "win" that engagement. We haven't "won" a war since WW2.

Unless by "win" we mean transferring untold trillions to the military industrial complex.
 
We dont need to go to war with them.
Stay here, lets get our affairs straightened out. Stop meddling in Europe.
We're poking the bear for no reason.

And I dont see them beating us if they tried coming here. We'd be so well mobilized should we see the start of their 'invasion'
Thousands of miles of ocean to cross is not a quick trip.
IF, and this is a bad idea, we went to them, I think it'd be very difficult, but not as bad due to our allies all around the continent. But that's based on if these allies remained our allies in this war effort.

But lets just stay out of it.
 
The Last Outlaw said:
How does that saying go? “You cannot defeat an indigenous people on their own land”. Or something like that.
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Biggest military and empire (GB) defeated by farmers and bankers etc (Colonists)
Biggest military in the world (USA) couldnt beat rice farmers (Viet)
Biggest military in the world (USA) couldnt beat some 'goat herders' (Afg.)
Large military in the world (at the time, USSR) couldnt beat some 'goat herders' in Afg either.

Morale is a big player in a war. Do many in our military really care about defeating Russia? Do they want to sleep outside and get shot at daily? Hell, if USA went there, you might see some defectors like in North Korea etc
 
I agree with the article but on foreign shores. For a home game they would not make it far from the shoreline. Surely would not get past Appalachia at best! Im with booger, the commies have already taken over without a single shot so there is that bit of business.

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They'd never come here. No one wants a piece of us on our home turf. Hell, as much as the Chinese wants Taiwan the logistics of that make conquering that island damn near impossible.

@NKD , totally, fully agree re: Astan. Our original mission was right and true: kick the shit out of AQ, find the boog-eaters, and let SOF and air do their thing. The whole conventional military, nation-building, army of occupation, oh-let's-get-rid-of-the-Taliban-while-we're-here was such a waste of blood and treasure.
 
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