You can mail guns (USPS regs inside)

cubrock said:
USPS would get a whole lot more business if they would allow non-dealers to mail handguns to dealers/manufacturers/importers.
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Agreed, but verifying FFL/physical address etc would require them to maintain a current list, use the EZ check system and/or the shipper to provide FFL # or file copy.
Based on the typical USPS employee in Durham, that's asking way too much.
 
Slacker said:
Agreed, but verifying FFL/physical address etc would require them to maintain a current list, use the EZ check system and/or the shipper to provide FFL # or file copy.
Based on the typical USPS employee in Durham, that's asking way too much.
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They don't do any of that now when dealers, etc mail handguns. They are trusting you to abide by the postal regs and send it to an FFL and trusting that you are really an FFL and aren't forging a license. It would be no different if they allowed individuals to mail them.
 
How the heck do you mail a gun, walk into the USPS with it??? I heard it's illegal...

Sounds like a scam to me. (yes, I did not read the link...)

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It's easy to send a long gun USPS. I use Priority Mail, insured for the full value. I put a copy of the FFL in the case, in the box outside the case, and I carry a copy with me in case they ask questions. You are not required to declare a long gun as a firearm to USPS, because they are not a common carrier. However, I've never felt comfortable saying no, "It's not a gun, it's machine parts" or some other such thing.

I believe it's just plain against postal regulations for an individual to mail a handgun.
 
dmarbell said:
It's easy to send a long gun USPS. I use Priority Mail, insured for the full value. I put a copy of the FFL in the case, in the box outside the case, and I carry a copy with me in case they ask questions. You are not required to declare a long gun as a firearm to USPS, because they are not a common carrier. However, I've never felt comfortable saying no, "It's not a gun, it's machine parts" or some other such thing.

I believe it's just plain against postal regulations for an individual to mail a handgun.
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Regardless of my earlier snarky post, have mailed both hand and long guns via usps.

Handgun: absolutely cheapest way to do it, even including FFL fee (I ain't one). About $44--$24 po + $20 FFL, who accompanied me to PO. Going via UPS or FX next day crap started at $60 and went up from there.

Long gun: CLT downtown (I refuse to call it "Uptown") -- utter idiots, wasted 20 minutes and walked out. Statesville? Everyday transaction, not a single hair of a single eyebrow lifted, cost: about $20.




EDIT: And I still haven't read the sticky! :)
 
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Slacker said:
So if I declare a pistol, they do not ask for proof of FFL?
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Depends on your local post office, I suppose. I never get asked, but they are used to me bringing them in. If you come in with a signed Form 1508, most clerks assume you know what you are doing. Half the time, I have to tell the clerk what to do with the 1508. Even if they ask, how hard is it to show them one?

Regardless, if they would amend postal regulations to allow an individual to mail a handgun to an FFL, and to allow C&Rs to send and receive handguns by mail, all they would have to ask for, if anything, would be a copy of the receiving FFL. That is simple enough to do for both parties. And, they would get a ton more business, as no one would have to submit to the UPS/Fedex Next Day Air scam any longer.

Just tonight, I ran a quote to ship a Beretta Model 1935 to a C&R holder in California. Cheapest rate was $98 and change via Fedex. UPS was higher, even with their saver rate. Priority Mail would have been less than $15.
 
It is simple. Package said firearm at home. Go to USPS website and payfor and print your postage and insurance, apply to package. Next drive to post office and drop off. No muss no fuss. You have done all the work there is nothing to be said, hand your package to a postal employee they will scan it in and you walk out. You do not have to inform them what is in the box and they will only ask if it is perishable or dangeous your answer is no have a nice day. You are now done so leave. As long as you do not mail it in the factory box no one will ever know, if you do someone will steal it. I wish I did not have to add this but you know people these days.
 
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rdinatal said:
How the heck do you mail a gun, walk into the USPS with it??? I heard it's illegal...

Sounds like a scam to me. (yes, I did not read the link...)

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It is legal in NC to send a rifle via USPS to another person but you do feel funny and the eyes from other patrons are like lasers lol
 
Scari said:
It is legal in NC to send a rifle via USPS to another person but you do feel funny and the eyes from other patrons are like lasers lol
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You got me thinking. So I looked up 18 U.S.C. Section 930. Note Subsection (d), #3

US CODE 18 U.S.C. § 930 Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

So, if one has a valid CCP (call it what you want, you know what I mean) you can carry in a USPS location as it is a lawful purpose? In NC does this even work with open carry as it's also lawful?

You'll probably get arrested but is there a defense?!?

-R
 
rdinatal said:
You got me thinking. So I looked up 18 U.S.C. Section 930. Note Subsection (d), #3

US CODE 18 U.S.C. § 930 Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

So, if one has a valid CCP (call it what you want, you know what I mean) you can carry in a USPS location as it is a lawful purpose? In NC does this even work with open carry as it's also lawful?

You'll probably get arrested but is there a defense?!?

-R
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I musta ran into a nice postal desk clerk he didn't blink an eye when I shipped a rifle.
 
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Register online, print your postal label at home, request next day pickup by the carrier .





rdinatal said:
How the heck do you mail a gun, walk into the USPS with it??? I heard it's illegal...

Sounds like a scam to me. (yes, I did not read the link...)

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Scari said:
I musta ran into a nice postal desk clerk he didn't blink an eye when I shipped a rifle.
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It depends ENTIRELY on the clerk and the particular office you go to. I went into the Charlotte downtown PO & stood there for 20 minutes while they tried (unsuccessfully) to pull their heads out.

I said "screw it," walked out, went to Statesville... and the nice, competent woman behind the counter didn't bat an eye.
 
Windini said:
It depends ENTIRELY on the clerk and the particular office you go to. I went into the Charlotte downtown PO & stood there for 20 minutes while they tried (unsuccessfully) to pull their heads out.

I said "screw it," walked out, went to Statesville... and the nice, competent woman behind the counter didn't bat an eye.
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I bring a copy of the pertinent section of the DMM with me. That usually gets them straight.

Eta, domestic mail manual
 
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Slacker said:
I bring a copy of the pertinent section of the DMM with me. That usually gets them straight.

Eta, domestic mail manual
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The Point of NO Return was: I spent an hour packing it to make it Post Office Proof, and she -- the clerk who said it couldn't be done and abandoned me for 20 minutes --brought Bubba and Earl out from the back and said "we got a hunter here and he's gonna open it up and see if it's loaded."

Technically, the DMM probably said the PO had the "right" to check it if they felt it necessary. However, they felt it necessary to cover their own ignorance, not because of any nefariousness on my part, so I just laughed and left.
 
US Postal inspectors are the only people who can open packages andcan only do it with a warrant (unless they have reason to believe it contains something dangerous). Of course nobody tells this to Bubba and Earl.
 
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Windini said:
The Point of NO Return was: I spent an hour packing it to make it Post Office Proof, and she -- the clerk who said it couldn't be done and abandoned me for 20 minutes --brought Bubba and Earl out from the back and said "we got a hunter here and he's gonna open it up and see if it's loaded."

Technically, the DMM probably said the PO had the "right" to check it if they felt it necessary. However, they felt it necessary to cover their own ignorance, not because of any nefariousness on my part, so I just laughed and left.
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They won't tell you, but their manual says you can also just sign an affidavit that it is unloaded rather than letting them open it.
 
To be clear. Only ffl holders can ship a handgun via usps. Even if your ffl walks in with you it is illegal unless said ffl put the handgun in their book. There is also a form that is required to be given to the postal clerk stating you are an ffl and it is going to another ffl.

Long guns can be shipped by anyone via usps.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but if the package with the firearm is "lost"(stolen), isn't it treated differently if it was shipped by USPS vs other carriers?
 
So.... Without referencing subsection ( b) of CFR 2342.1432 and all the parties referenced therein, and cross checking that with BATFE regulation 42118a to determine which parties or registered agents thereof have authority under CFR 912442114, parts 12 through 15, taking special note of addendum II q-r........(sheesh!!!)

I just need to know whether there is any way, with any carrier, legally for me to mail, ship, transfer, convey or otherwise deliver..... a non curio handgun directly to my sister in Alabama, without the agency of an ffl. She has a permit allowing her to purchase/own/carry said handgun.
 
Can a handgun be mailed US Postal Service between two FFLs? The information I see on the web is confusing and contradictory.
 
Anyone know ***IN GENERAL*** the cost to ship a smaller handgun? UPS will only ship next day air and that is almost 80 dollars. It is going from here to Alabama. Gross estimates are fine.
 
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