You can mail guns (USPS regs inside)

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Usually a lot cheaper to have an FFL ship it for you.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Anyone know ***IN GENERAL*** the cost to ship a smaller handgun? UPS will only ship next day air and that is almost 80 dollars. It is going from here to Alabama. Gross estimates are fine.
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Sent you a pm. I'll help you get it shipped if you want.
 
Heck, just do what someone else said, package it in a priority mail box, nice and secure , go online buy and print your shipping label, attache it to your package,go online arrange for free pickup during your regular mail delivery and you are done , no one knows anything, it gets to your sister in 2-3 days, in 10 yrs I have never lost a package shipped this way, its gets there safe and secure, and afterall its going to your sister so whos the wiser


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Short Fuse said:
It is simple. Package said firearm at home. Go to USPS website and payfor and print your postage and insurance, apply to package. Next drive to post office and drop off. No muss no fuss. You have done all the work there is nothing to be said, hand your package to a postal employee they will scan it in and you walk out. You do not have to inform them what is in the box and they will only ask if it is perishable or dangeous your answer is no have a nice day. You are now done so leave. As long as you do not mail it in the factory box no one will ever know, if you do someone will steal it. I wish I did not have to add this but you know people these days.
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After recently mailing a shotgun to an FFL in MI, I can confirm this is the easiest way to do it. I told the lady here in Raleigh I was mailing a shotgun and she said "You can't do that!" and I responded "Yes I can, I declare it to be unloaded and going to a Federal Firearms Licensee. You can go ask your Postmaster." So she does, comes back in about 60 seconds, and we proceeded with the transaction, all while she had a total bitch face. $20.
 
JRHorne said:
After recently mailing a shotgun to an FFL in MI, I can confirm this is the easiest way to do it. I told the lady here in Raleigh I was mailing a shotgun and she said "You can't do that!" and I responded "Yes I can, I declare it to be unloaded and going to a Federal Firearms Licensee. You can go ask your Postmaster." So she does, comes back in about 60 seconds, and we proceeded with the transaction, all while she had a total bitch face. $20.
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This. Exactly.
 
I recently had to ship a pistol off, and was informed about being able to send it USPS. I decided that it was less of a headache to just drive to the FedEx hub near my office and not worry about it. Was about $30 for 2 day delivery.

But it leads me to two conclusions:
Separation anxiety applies to firearms.
Selling guns is stupid.
 
cubrock said:
USPS would get a whole lot more business if they would allow non-dealers to mail handguns to dealers/manufacturers/importers.
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You may thank our illustrious representatives who enacted the Gun Control Act of 1968 for that. They got right p*ssed off at the U.S. Supreme Court in 1968, which effectively neutered the existing National Firearms Act of 1934 in Haynes v. United States.

See, up until that case, Uncle Sam would rape the dog sh*t out of anybody who didn't register a firearm in accordance with the NFA of 1934. However, Haynes was a convicted felon who argued that requiring him to register was an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the NFA of 1934, which violated his 5th Amendment right not to incriminate himself. The Supreme Court agreed with Haynes.

See, up until that point, it was the responsibility of the CITIZENS to do this. Not a government agency, or some other legal process in which other people did the registering.

So Congress pulled up their NAZI high-top leather sh*t-kickers and said, "Well, WE'LL take care of THAT!"

So they enacted the Gun Control Act of 1968, which, among other things, enacted the Federal Firearms License system which mandated the licensing of individuals and companies engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms. It also prohibited the mailing of handguns by consumers and any interstate transaction had to go through an FFL dealer. It also banned unlicensed individuals from buying or selling handguns across state lines.

So, the USPS will not be getting into the business of shipping handguns UNLESS the GCA of 1968 is either repealed or changed to allow this.

Figure the odds in the near future.


HISTORICAL NOTE:

90th Congress under LBJ: Senate - 64 Democrats/36 Republicans, House - 247 Democrats/187 Republicans

Final Congressional vote: 305 Yea (157 Democrats, 147 Republicans, 1 Unknown), 118 Nay (79 Democrats, 39 Republicans), 6 Present, 1 Not Voting.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/90-1968/h398

Indiana (my birth state): 11 representatives, 3 total voted Nay (all Republicans)

North Carolina: 11 representatives total, 6 total voted Nay (5 Democrats, 1 Republican)

South Carolina (my home state): 6 representatives total, 6 total voted Nay (5 Democrats, 1 Republican)
 
TSConver said:
To be clear. Only ffl holders can ship a handgun via usps. Even if your ffl walks in with you it is illegal unless said ffl put the handgun in their book. There is also a form that is required to be given to the postal clerk stating you are an ffl and it is going to another ffl.

Long guns can be shipped by anyone via usps.
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If my guns ever have issues, can I mail them to whoever can fix them? Or does my gun shop have to mail the guns for me?
 
The only thing the USPS is good for is curing low blood pressure. I use FEDEX exclusively. Cheaper than a trip to the cardiologist.
 
Millie said:
If my guns ever have issues, can I mail them to whoever can fix them? Or does my gun shop have to mail the guns for me?
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You can ship them yourself. Just have to follow the same rules. Long guns can go by any carrier. You can only ship handguns via USP or Fedex 3rd day or better. Some manufacturers will ship directly back to you some will require a FFL to receive the firearm.
 
TSConver said:
You can ship them yourself. Just have to follow the same rules. Long guns can go by any carrier. You can only ship handguns via USP or Fedex 3rd day or better. Some manufacturers will ship directly back to you some will require a FFL to receive the firearm.
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Just curious, which manufacturers require an FFL to transfer the repaired firearm to its owner? (Assuming same SN is returned)
I have heard manufacturers state that they can only return the firearm to the same address it was shipped from, but that may just be policy.
 
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Slacker said:
Just curious, which manufacturers require an FFL to transfer the repaired firearm to its owner? (Assuming same SN is returned)
I have heard manufacturers state that they can only return the firearm to the same address it was shipped from, but that may just be policy.
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I know I have had RUger require an FFL to return a firearm. No idea on same serial number since I did not send out hte original firearm.
 
Springfield shipped my XDs back to me directly. It had a different serial number on the frame too. Probably because XDs's and 6.2gns of Titegroup don't like each other.

Now, it was thru Fedex both ways but Springfield picked up the tab for shipping.

CZ did the same thing for my shotgun but with UPS, but it was a shotgun and not a handgun.

Sent me a new replacement gun direct to my door.
 
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I recently mailed an old beat up Wingmaster ($65 on Gunbroker, it was in BAD shape) to Wilson Combat in Arkansas to have the "Remington Steal" upgrade completed. I shipped it for $23 and it should arrive in Arkansas Monday, I was anticipating a problem but it was effortless.
 
Slacker said:
Just curious, which manufacturers require an FFL to transfer the repaired firearm to its owner? (Assuming same SN is returned)
I have heard manufacturers state that they can only return the firearm to the same address it was shipped from, but that may just be policy.
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Couple of years ago I had to send a Ruger 22 Pistol back to the factory to have the barrell replaced. (do to a squib)

It went me-> FFL-> Ruger-> FFL -> me

Since the SN# was on the barrell, and the new barrell had a new SN#
I had to give up another PPP for it.
 
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Slacker said:
Just curious, which manufacturers require an FFL to transfer the repaired firearm to its owner? (Assuming same SN is returned)
I have heard manufacturers state that they can only return the firearm to the same address it was shipped from, but that may just be policy.
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Springfield and SIG have both shipped my firearms back to me after sending in for recalls (or 'voluntary upgrades' as SIG refers to them), and I have a 3rd manufacturer that I am going to need to test next.

poo on Ruger for requiring an FFL......
 
Ikarus1 said:
Springfield and SIG have both shipped my firearms back to me after sending in for recalls (or 'voluntary upgrades' as SIG refers to them), and I have a 3rd manufacturer that I am going to need to test next.

poo on Ruger for requiring an FFL......
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I sent a Single Six back to Ruger late last year. They didn't require it go through an FFL.
 
Have gun-will travel said:
I just called the ATF in Charlotte ,NC and they told me the only way to LEAGALY ship a hand gun through the US postal service is if don't through a FFL license holder. The FFL is supposed to package it and take it to the Post Office
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Yep. It is a postal regulation that predates the Gun Control Act of 1968. Only dealers and manufacturers can mail and/or receive handguns through the US Postal Service. We have to fill out a special form each time we do it, too. I just did one today.
 
Have gun-will travel said:
I just called the ATF in Charlotte ,NC and they told me the only way to LEAGALY ship a hand gun through the US postal service is if its done through a FFL license holder. The FFL is supposed to package it and take it to the Post Office
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That is how I get pistols from sellers on GunBroker and Scott at THSF in Charlotte, priority mail to my local FFL in Raleigh. Flat Rate box.
 
I shipped out a barreled rifle action yesterday, cost me just under $18 with delivery confirmation. I used the kiosk inside the post office to do the weight thing, pay and generate the label. Only hang up was I had to go wait in line to drop it off because it wouldn't fit in the drop bin. The kiosk actually told me that though, it said "based on your inputed dimensions your package will not fit in the drop box and you will need to hand carry it to the counter".

They didn't ask me what was it in, just took and it told me to have a nice day.
 
Jayne said:
They didn't ask me what was it in, just took and it told me to have a nice day.
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Yeah same with Fedex. What's funny is that if you don't have a prepaid label at Fedex, they require an ID now that the bomber was using Fedex......no such requirement at USPS, probably because they know it may not arrive on time lol
 
Slacker said:
I think technically, you were supposed to inform the clerk the package contained a firearm. I'm sure the alphabet agency is on thier way to you right now.
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Slacker said:
I think technically, you were supposed to inform the clerk the package contained a firearm. I'm sure the alphabet agency is on thier way to you right now.
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Only if using a 'common carrier' not the USPS
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons


Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]


Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

I usually put a note in the shipping log, but NEVER mention anything to the clerk lest they freak out and delay my dropping off just another package.
 
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I want to transfer a handgun to a relative from Georgia who will be coming to NC next month. Any way I can transfer it while he's here? If not can I let him carry it home and then do the transfer with his ffl in Georgia?
 
FredB said:
I want to transfer a handgun to a relative from Georgia who will be coming to NC next month. Any way I can transfer it while he's here? If not can I let him carry it home and then do the transfer with his ffl in Georgia?
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ATF would say you cannot transfer a handgun to anybody that’s not a resident of the state in which the transfer takes place.

Thus you can transfer it using an FFL in his state, but not yours. You’d have to ship it to that FFL as far as I know, otherwise you made an illegal transfer.

Lots of people here would say something entirely different than what the ATF would say.
 
BigWaylon said:
ATF would say you cannot transfer a handgun to anybody that’s not a resident of the state in which the transfer takes place.

Thus you can transfer it using an FFL in his state, but not yours. You’d have to ship it to that FFL as far as I know, otherwise you made an illegal transfer.

Lots of people here would say something entirely different than what the ATF would say.
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Thank you. That's exactly what I wanted. Very clear and concise.
 
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