Zombie deer

I can see the hair ruffled up where the original shot went. It looks high up on the animal. A deer that big, using a small caliber with poor shot placement, often results non dead deer.
Too bad. Good example of why the libs hate hunting.
 
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Slacker said:
I can see the hair ruffled up where the original shot went. It looks high up on the animal. A deer that big, using a small caliber with poor shot placement, often results non dead deer.
Too bad. Good example of why the libs hate hunting.
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The deer is dead & at the processors. So whats too bad about it?
 
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If I need to explain it, you would probably not understand.
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You must be one of those liberals. Why do I think that? You wouldn't understand.
I've been killing deer since before you were a Hillary supporter. Ever have one come under your stand & shoot down? Probably don't understand that either.
 
The only thing I'm going to say is if a 15 year old took that deer she is ruined for life LMAO. My first deer was a small 8 point, I think the number of points was more inches than the spread.

Taking a buck like the one in this thread is awesome but she might spend the rest of her life disappointed because you don't see them like that often. That is a huge rack.
 
I've seen a bunch of deer like this in KY. A lot of em with a spotlight. I still have a 3500 acre lease not far from where this deer was taken.
 
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I've hunted most of my life. I understand you can hit one and put it down without killing it. It happens. Your are shooting moving target, or one that can move at any second. The buck I shot sat was at 10 yards. I took the first open shot I could get because if he kept walking to the front of my stand there are more branches in the way. I hit him high because I don't sight my gun in at 10 yards, plus the sharp down angle shot. Hit him again at 75 yards and put him down. Stuff happens.

What I don't understand is not knowing how to tell if a deer is dead or not. A dead deer has it's eyes open. I poke every one of them in the eye with a gun barrel. A living critter cannot stand that and will blink or move. A deer that's alive but out will have it's eyes closed. But I also field dress mine so it's even more important to be sure they are dead before you grab hold of them.

Oh, absolutely fantastic buck. I'm with Chad, she's ruined. lol
 
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It was odd & her dad helped load it & he swears the deer appeared dead till they stopped at the store. And i've hunted with him since the late 70's & he is a good hunter. Daughter has been hunting with him since she was 8-9. It may be a full body mount was the reason for not field dressing.
 
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It was odd & her dad helped load it & he swears the deer appeared dead till they stopped at the store. And i've hunted with him since the late 70's & he is a good hunter. Daughter has been hunting with him since she was 8-9. It may be a full body mount was the reason for not field dressing.
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Probably got excited and didn't check. I might forget a thing or two with that on the ground in front of me.
 
I’d crap my pants if I shot a buck that big.

It sucks when the suffer but it happens. I shot a does back legs off one time after losing my rest and pulling my shot. I had to look that girl in the eyes when I finished her with a .22. That was no fun.
 
This reminds me of a certain 911 call back in the 70’s, NSFW so I won’t even go look for it.
 
Slacker said:
I can see the hair ruffled up where the original shot went. It looks high up on the animal. A deer that big, using a small caliber with poor shot placement, often results non dead deer.

Too bad. Good example of why the libs hate hunting.
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The libs which hate hunting hate hunting regardless.

And a large caliber with poor shot placement also often results in a non-dead deer.

Just sayin'.

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The libs which hate hunting hate hunting regardless.

And a large caliber with poor shot placement also often results in a non-dead deer.

Just sayin'.

;)
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I disagree with your view on the libs hating hunting regardless.

Where you see a lost cause, I see Trader Joes selling "local" free range venison in the meat dept.

I have personally shared my non GMO, organic, free range, hormone free venison with liberals on more than one occasion.

Humane harvest and a friendly approach made all the difference.

Most libs assume all hunters act like @gunbelt who's first reaction to someone who views things differently is to call them names and dismiss them.

Food for thought...According to NCWRC, hunting licenses sales are at an all time low. The trend is expected to continue.
Bringing the hunter safety course into the middle schools is a Hail Mary attempt.
Writing is on the walls folks.

Guys like @gunbelt have made our bed-and did a poor job of it.
 
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I disagree with your view on the libs hating hunting regardless.
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Take another look at what I posted. I said "the libs which hate hunting hate hunting regardless", not "libs hate hunting regardless".

To be fair, this applies to most people who hate hunting, regardless of political affiliation. Those that hate hunting tend to hate it because they don't like hurting animals.

But I agree with much of the rest of what you posted.
 
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Hate the players, not the game. Life is a mean game. Get over it, and yourself.

Edit: What I mean is, hunting is and can be gruesome, but so is life. We all know there are people out there who don't believe what we do, so it certainly doesn't need to be pointed out, unless like @gunbelt said, you are one of them, out for a troll.
 
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I disagree with your view on the libs hating hunting regardless.

Where you see a lost cause, I see Trader Joes selling "local" free range venison in the meat dept.

I have personally shared my non GMO, organic, free range, hormone free venison with liberals on more than one occasion.

Humane harvest and a friendly approach made all the difference.

Most libs assume all hunters act like @gunbelt who's first reaction to someone who views things differently is to call them names and dismiss them.

Food for thought...According to NCWRC, hunting licenses sales are at an all time low. The trend is expected to continue.
Bringing the hunter safety course into the middle schools is a Hail Mary attempt.
Writing is on the walls folks.

Guys like @gunbelt have made our bed-and did a poor job of it.
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And guys like you are the cause of raising a generation of candy asses kids who need safe spaces from the bad deer hunters. We get 40-50 disposal permits a year in Ky to thin the dam herd. Just because you are anti trophy hunting is of no consequence to most hunters. I think it's you & those like you that have fueled the anti hunting libs. They're animals that our hunting fees have paid to put game out there for the payers to hunt & kill. Humane harvest now thats a liberal buzzword for protect us from those evil hunters. Pure unadulterated BS just like the "I believe in the 2A but..."
 
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And guys like you are the cause of raising a generation of candy asses kids who need safe spaces from the bad deer hunters. We get 40-50 disposal permits a year in Ky to thin the dam herd. Just because you are anti trophy hunting is of no consequence to most hunters. I think it's you & those like you that have fueled the anti hunting libs. They're animals that our hunting fees have paid to put game out there for the payers to hunt & kill. Humane harvest now thats a liberal buzzword for protect us from those evil hunters. Pure unadulterated BS just like the "I believe in the 2A but..."
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I prefer to build bridges, not burn them.
Simple as that.
 
“Too bad the deer suffered and had to be shot again in a public place giving anti hunting libs ammo.” (What I assumed slacker meant)

“You Hillary supporting candy a** liberal!”

Bizarre response and continued friendly fire in this thread.

Side note: Great looking buck!
 
I've never understood those that claim to want to build bridges, speaking in sanctimonious terms to people who don't act the same way they do.

I have also never understood peoples desire to sugar coat terms to appease people, especially people who cannot be appeased. Harvested instead of killed, field dressed instead of gutted, and the list goes on.

I too try to kill deer quickly but I don't cry if they don't or jump someone's ass for what is termed bad shot placement when I wasn't there and have no idea of what happened.

And the reason I try to kill the deer quickly is first and foremost to try and prevent the adrenaline dump that taints the meat from a drawn out death. I also don't rejoice in an animals suffering but make no mistake about it, you are killing an animal so whether it dies quickly or slowly doesn't change the outcome.

I have had to cut the neck of many a deer because even with good shot placement they didn't die quickly. I'm dispassionate about it just as a butcher is dispassionate about holding a pig down to a drain to cut it's throat before hoisting it into the air to let it bleed out.
 
The second post, second sentence referred to the dead deer as “the animal”. That’s the indicator of what was to come.

Congratulations to the young lady and her dad. Gonna be hard to top that one.
 
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I've never understood those that claim to want to build bridges, speaking in sanctimonious terms to people who don't act the same way they do.

I have also never understood peoples desire to sugar coat terms to appease people, especially people who cannot be appeased. Harvested instead of killed, field dressed instead of gutted, and the list goes on.
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(I cropped & chopped your post to keep things easier to keep up with.)

Sugar coating terms is one way of looking at it. Another way is using language that the younger (future hunters) can relate to.

A different type of hunter, who sees value in not alienating those who have different views. Using sugar rather than vinager, so to speak.

You fellas understand that the tradition of hunting is in danger of simply falling out of fashion right?
Do you know why it's falling out of fashion? Please, take some stabs at it.
 
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(I cropped & chopped your post to keep things easier to keep up with.)

Sugar coating terms is one way of looking at it. Another way is using language that the younger (future hunters) can relate to.

A different type of hunter, who sees value in not alienating those who have different views. Using sugar rather than vinager, so to speak.

You fellas understand that the tradition of hunting is in danger of simply falling out of fashion right?
Do you know why it's falling out of fashion? Please, take some stabs at it.
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To start with, while I do shake my head a little when I hear people using watered down terms I don't try to correct them I just move on. But here are my full thoughts on the matter. First, no matter how you slice it they are political correct terms in the hopes of not offending someone's sensibilities. And in my view they disrespect what we are doing as hunters. We are not farmers pulling ears of corn from a stalk we are using a weapon to end the life of an unsuspecting animal to put food on our tables or a trophy on our wall (I'll save my distaste for trophy hunting for another day).

There is an old saying about PC phrases, something about picking up a turd from the clean end. In this case it is making believe there is a polite way to kill another animal. There isn't. I don't say kill and gut for shock effect, I just respect what I am doing enough to call it like it is. And, of course, they didn't have those terms when I was taught how to hunt.

And IMO, if they cannot handle the reality that they will be killing an animal and sticking their hands in it's guts out in the field than they have no business hunting in the first place and should continue to buy their meat at the grocery story like all the other squeamish people.

As to why hunting is in danger, that is not a simple question with a simple answer and IMO has nothing to do with what terms you use. But let me lay out a few factors that I see contributing to it.

First, people no longer have to hunt to survive. My parents had to when they grew up or they didn't have meat a lot of times.

Hunting, if you do not enjoy solace in the woods, can be extremely boring especially to the last few generations who are constantly plugged in to social media and video games etc.

Time management. I haven't had the time to hunt in about 3 years. Ok I take that back, my free time has been very limited and since my son is only 7 and not ready to hunt yet I have chosen to spend that time doing other things with him.

The gun debate rages on in this country and there are a lot of kids being taught in schools that guns are evil for any reason.

Kids are also being bombarded with ethical treatment of animals in classrooms.

Hunting land is becoming more scarce and cities are expanding.

My father hunted his entire childhood and didn't hunt again after he got back from Vietnam. He took us hunting and taught us how but he never killed another animal. I asked him why and he said it wasn't sporting if the deer couldn't shoot back but the real answer was he had lost his taste for killing. Being as that there is a large number of people who are of hunting age returning from a war zone I would hazard a guess that some of them feel the same way.

A lot of the hunting I did from the age of 12 on up was by myself with a gun and a dog. How many people would let their kids do that now?

Fathers are remiss to force their kids to go hunting "Hey son let's go hunting tomorrow" "No dad, I don't want to get up that early I'd rather stay home and play battle front" Father shakes his head and laments to his friends that he doesn't know what's wrong with the boy and he can't get him away from those video games. We had an Atari when I was young and I can remember saying something similar once to my dad. His response is the same that mine will be in that he unplugged the video game, threw it in his closet and said "Wake up is at 4am, you'll get your ass dressed and come with me so I can teach you something"

And last but not least, while hunting licenses are on the decline I don't think that hunting has taken as big of a hit as those numbers are showing as there is a growing movement of people that refuse to pay tribute to the king for the right to hunt on their (or their friends) own property. I know many such folks and have even been guilty of it myself a time or 3.
 
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Do you know why it's falling out of fashion? Please, take some stabs at it.
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Is it because men and women are getting father’s and mother’s day cards from their pets?

I assume that it’s really the population shift from rural to urban, all of my rural relatives hunt regularly, none of my urban relatives do.

I also blame hunters that mistreated landowners in the past and landowners that are monetizing their land today more than ever, all making it harder and more expensive to hunt. When I was a kid you could hunt squirrel just about anywhere you asked, don’t know if that’s true any more, and it absolutely isn’t for turkey, pheasant, and deer.

Most people don’t want to see how meat is made. To Slacker’s point, probably best not to introduce people to hunting by finishing a deer in a parking lot, better to grill with them once it has been reduced to meat. Of course sometimes shit just happens, and while it is unfortunate and should be avoided when possible, Murphy touches all of us from time to time.
 
The deer my brother shot last week had a similar wound. Not from him he shoots them in the head. We were looking at the damage done by the 35 Rem. We couldnt figure out the extra two holes just above the spine. He did that deer a favor. The 35 destroyed the head. Thats a nice buck. Lessons learned the hard way for the young hunter.
 
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Most people don’t want to see how meat is made. To Slacker’s point, probably best not to introduce people to hunting by finishing a deer in a parking lot, better to grill with them once it has been reduced to meat.
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Liberal hillary loving panzy!
Get the hell out of here.

;)
 
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he shoots them in the head
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On the one hand, great. On the other, ever seen a deer that lost it’s lower jaw? Not knocking the headshot, it’s great, but the hunter needs to be fully aware of their limitations...it is not a shot for the new hunter imho.
 
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