You assume people intend to comply with an agency whose rules flip more than a Burger King cook. Just sayin’.Your next challenge is to survive the impending tsunami of BST brace threads...
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I think TBD is the only valid answer at this point…Nice way to grow your legal database…
So if you have an A.R. pistol which is currently concealable under North Carolina law with the proper license, is it now a short barrel rifle and no longer concealable? @BigWaylon ?
That is correct. NC statutes only apply to handguns.Nice way to grow your legal database…
So if you have an A.R. pistol which is currently concealable under North Carolina law with the proper license, is it now a short barrel rifle and no longer concealable? @BigWaylon ?
Unfortunately, it’s a no. Once the ATF classifies it as a rifle, you can longer conceal it as if it is a handgun. I think it’s going to be very confusing for both sides of the law in NC. But at the end of the day, the statute strictly prohibit and concealed except a handgun with a valid permit.I think TBD is the only valid answer at this point…
Never bought one.
I’m not going to argue about the CHP only covering handguns. But I still believe it’s TBD for a variety of reasons. The first two being (1) what’s the wording of what actually passes, if anything (will they really be rifles, or some subnet/new category) and (2) does NC change any regulations based on this…or could we possibly end up with a firearms that’s different at the state and federal levels. #2 may seem line a stretch, but SC is in that situation right now to some degree. They add a 12” max to the definition of “concealable”…whichUnfortunately, it’s a no. Once the ATF classifies it as a rifle, you can longer conceal it as if it is a handgun. I think it’s going to be very confusing for both sides of the law in NC. But at the end of the day, the statute strictly prohibit and concealed except a handgun with a valid permit.
You have valid arguments. But any destination from ATF that doesn’t have the word pistol or handgun will put it outside NC current law. And I don’t have faith in NC actually changing so the statute will include any AR type platforms. I could be wrong but Cooper and Stein would do everything within their power to fight it. And don’t tell my wife, but I hope I am wrong for once 🤣I’m not going to argue about the CHP only covering handguns. But I still believe it’s TBD for a variety of reasons. The first two being (1) what’s the wording of what actually passes, if anything (will they really be rifles, or some subnet/new category) and (2) does NC change any regulations based on this…or could we possibly end up with a firearms that’s different at the state and federal levels. #2 may seem line a stretch, but SC is in that situation right now to some degree. They add a 12” max to the definition of “concealable”…which
It’s still enough to say the answer is currently TBD instead of No. 🤣😝You have valid arguments. But any destination from ATF that doesn’t have the word pistol or handgun will put it outside NC current law. And I don’t have faith in NC actually changing so the statute will include any AR type platforms. I could be wrong but Cooper and Stein would do everything within their power to fight it. And don’t tell my wife, but I hope I am wrong for once 🤣
No great source on this, best I find is https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/#axzz7dki8cPZw
fwiw, they are asking for funding to store images. No idea if they have authority to proceed, and doubt that they can waive a tax without congressional action.
This is true 😁It’s still enough to say the answer is currently TBD instead of No. 🤣😝
😂 I see your point but one is a law, the other is a “ruling”.Wait, so non-compliers will keep pistol braces on their newly unregistered SBRs instead of using a stock instead?
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No comply till they cross reference their illegal database, GunBroker etc. and start shooting dogs to get the ones that didn't take advantage of the amnesty period. Guess that might be when it starts to go down...You assume people intend to comply with an agency whose rules flip more than a Burger King cook. Just sayin’.
The $200 tax is in statute, a bureaucrat won’t just ignore that. It’s different than changing how they understand words.Why not? They already do whatever they want regarding rule (law) creation without congressional approval.
Agreed, the ATF or the feds in general cannot be trusted. It's bad enough they are creating law with zero congressional oversight but God only knows what BS they have planned. The ATF has completely shown their ass lately with the RB Trigger bs, the key card and Matt from YouTube, the frame/receiver rule, why should this be any different? I see this as a last ditch effort to appease gun owners as they know that what they're doing is wholy Unconstitutional.There is nothing free. Everything has a price.
Oh come on. How could it possibly be a bad idea to send them a photo as proof of ownership for something they just decided to make illegal?There is nothing free. Everything has a price….
and sometimes, it can’t be measured in dollars.
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What they need to do it make the 5320.20 electronic, and automatic. If the “to” address is legal for the category of firearm, approve it and PDF is generated on the spot.If a braced pistol goes SBR that means a you’ll be filling out a 5320 to cross state lines. It’s not really that much if you have an SBR, SBS or destructive device such you’ve likely done it before … but if a newbie does not know about it the ATF Stormtroopers can ruin a honest citizen’s life over a technicality. Also the paperwork the initial form filings will cause could create a backlog for several years … plus how much the yearly 5320 filings. The paperwork load increase will require a fair amount of new ATF employees just to push piles of paper. Funny thing there is no fee for 5320’s but the “Paperwork Reduction Act Notice” states a 5320 “burdens” the ATF and US government with a 45 minute labor use. Imagine that times all the people with braces that actually do file as a SBR filing 5320’s for a couple states each year (I file 2 SBR’s in 7 states each year for a total of 14 5320’s) … they might need to hire 87,000 ATF clerks and a huge office building.
This IMO is exactly what it’s about. Not databases or changing the rules again later, but just restrict new purchases, restrict future transfers and generally choke off AR pistols.additional pain in the butt by design.
Amnesty is because they’d lose challenges quick if they tried to make something illegal that used to be legal. This gives them a shot anyway, they’re playing the long game.On topic though the amnesty is because no one can comply with the rules without a time machine. if you want to build an SBR you have to get the stamp first and then build it. If you want to buy one you have to get the stamp before your FFL can release the weapon to you. Here, you'll already have the SBR so you can't not have it or not build it before the stamp arrives. This way no one can claim everyone is a felon over night, you have to wait until the amnesty expires... then you're a felon. Presumably if the amnesty expires while you're waiting for the stamp.... well you're still a felon?
The first one of these cases which actually makes it to the SCOTUS will be ruled unconstitutional, by design. The Congress is the only entity which holds the power to create law. These rules are a rediculous farce being shoved down our throats.This IMO is exactly what it’s about. Not databases or changing the rules again later, but just restrict new purchases, restrict future transfers and generally choke off AR pistols.
Amnesty is because they’d lose challenges quick if they tried to make something illegal that used to be legal. This gives them a shot anyway, they’re playing the long game.
That would be way to easy. They will merge IRS and BATF&E.What they need to do it make the 5320.20 electronic, and automatic. If the “to” address is legal for the category of firearm, approve it and PDF is generated on the spot.
See I wondered the exact same thing it’s garbage that they won’t answer questions like this either just keep directing you to new “rule” that is intentionally ambiguousLet's assume this happens and I want to be a goodsubjectcitizen andregister my pistolapply for my free stamp for my new SBR. It says I have to submit a picture of said weapon to show that it is a braced pistol to qualify for "amnesty". Can I then later swap the brace for a stock or am I locked into this configuration because I got the freebie?
So, it used to be you had to get permission from the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer, usually the sheriff) and some were turds and refused.
In 2016, obama changed the law regarding trusts, you now simply need to notify the CLEO, not beg permission.
Trust now requires anyone added must submit fingerprints and photos, whereas pre mid (July??) 2016 trusts do not, you could add a Responsible Party at will.
You only have to submit FPs and photos for people who are considered Responsible Persons at the time of submission.Don't you need to submit finger prints and photos with each item added to a trust and not just when you add new people? I've honestly not kept up.