Off duty Raleigh PD officer shot and killed in east Raleigh active shooter

fieldgrade said:
All the hospitals in the RTP area are posted, and most are teaching hospitals if med students are ever in them, so now you're carrying on educational property, which is a felony.
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on statutory basis (GS 14-269.2) not sure this holds. is there case law to support this claim?
 
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92G said:
on statutory basis not sure this holds. is there case law to support this claim?
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Do you have time or inclination to challenge it? Like the brave soul in Harnett county over a mask?

The governor is a dem.
The state AG is a dem.
My county district atty is a dem.
I’m sure yours is too.
And my sheriff is a dem.

I’m not challenging it.

As far as you know.
 
92G said:
on statutory basis (GS 14-269.2) not sure this holds. is there case law to support this claim?
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First thing I’d check is GIS. If a municipal entity or university owns the hospital, and it’s part of a university system, I’d err on the “it’s university property” or “it’s government property leased to the university” side.

There’s not going to be “case law” for everything. Historically the AG’s office and the UNC SoG have published white papers on how they expect the law would be interpreted. Plea deals (the vast majority of criminal outcomes) and pro se appeals from public defender clients—all heard by elected judges that are generally free to ignore one another’s opinions—don’t exactly make for robust case law.

I wouldn’t catch a felony trying to prove a point.
 
JRV said:
First thing I’d check is GIS. If a municipal entity or university owns the hospital, and it’s part of a university system, I’d err on the “it’s university property” or “it’s government property leased to the university” side.
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Not arguing with you, but just trying to interject some proverbial food for thought. I suspect the naming, when it comes to healthcare is more of just that, a naming, rather than an actual affiliation making the location “educational property“ under which I forget the exact definition.

I present as an admittedly circumspect logical example, that if said locations were govt. you’d think they’d take on govt. standards. As an example, for year 2023 the state rolled out a program of zero copay for its employee “insurance” (side note it’s not really insurance in the classical sense but a fund where big blue administers the proceeds ) if you go with certain providers. Interestingly, it’s supposed flag ship system, UNC healthcare, operated by mostly state employees, is NOT part of that program. So, is “UNC healthcare” really govt. ‘educational property’ or is it just a brand name of a private entity that mimics govt?
 
noway2 said:
Not arguing with you, but just trying to interject some proverbial food for thought. I suspect the naming, when it comes to healthcare is more of just that, a naming, rather than an actual affiliation making the location “educational property“ under which I forget the exact definition.

I present as an admittedly circumspect logical example, that if said locations were govt. you’d think they’d take on govt. standards. As an example, for year 2023 the state rolled out a program of zero copay for its employee “insurance” (side note it’s not really insurance in the classical sense but a fund where big blue administers the proceeds ) if you go with certain providers. Interestingly, it’s supposed flag ship system, UNC healthcare, operated by mostly state employees, is NOT part of that program. So, is “UNC healthcare” really govt. ‘educational property’ or is it just a brand name of a private entity that mimics govt?
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UNC School of Medicine’s website and the UNC Healthcare website don’t really make it clear which specific locations are hosting clinical residents, nursing students, or specific faculty. I know they have core teaching campuses, and then they have educational extension programs within the network.

I suppose if you were really curious, you could call and ask a specific facility… I’m going to err on the side of caution. If it says UNC, I don’t go to it. If I have no choice, I’ll manage.

Also, figuring out whether specific property is educational doesn’t get past the posting issue—it just determines whether you are running afoul of the $500-or-surrender-permit infraction or the educational property felony.
 
Sleepy uses the event to mention that if they just had enough votes they could ban some stuff:

stupid crap biden says

Do we even know if this situation fits the narrative, or have we moved full past that now and 'close enough' is enough since they know facts don't matter?
 
bpj318 said:
Anyone else get the feeling that, some how are going to make it about “assault weapons?”
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No, they'll redefine what they think should be restricted, like "high powered hunting ammo".
This will only get worse...
 
CZfool68 said:
I gotta say that coming on a gun enthusiast forum and saying anti-gun stuff is at best a bad read of the room. And if you’re surprised that an anti gun person and comments got pushback on a gun forum I gotta say you’re not having your best day.

Bet if I went on a hip hop music forum and started bad mouthing that music I’d probably get a few negative comments.
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Yeah…but at least you’d be in the right. Joe is not. 🤣
 
Friends. This is only getting worse. Politics has divided this country (nothing that you don't already know). The little town that I work in has had a 500% increase in Homicides this year and it is only October. I have seen the absolute worst that society can be and what people do to each other on a daily basis for the past 25 years. One thing that I know and can tell you in all honesty is that things have gotten worse and more volatile. The powers that be have done their level best to not only pit us against each other but at the same time reduce Law Enforcement in our communities. In law Enforcement, No one wants to do this job anymore and I don't blame them. We used to turn away 100 people for every opening we had. Now we are scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel for a lot of positions filled. We are also seeing an increase in IA complaints that are substantiated. That's no surprise it's just cause and effect. We are also seeing the rapid and unchecked rise in violent crime. There is a correlation there that is making things down right dangerous for citizens. Those that are holding the line and doing the best that they can out there are getting thinner and thinner. The weak on crime policies are leading to more and more bold actions by those who wish to do unlawful things. The people that seem to be "in charge" just seem to be doubling down on the polices that are failing us. So you ask sheepdog120 why are you going on and on? Well I am glad that you asked. Those polices got one of my Brothers killed in Raleigh. This POS shooter will turn out to be another product of our failing societal norms. Fingers will be pointed and people like Stein and Cooper will toe the party line and ask for bans and restrictions on your freedoms because of the actions of a deranged juvenile. They will use it as a political agenda like every other tragedy. They will double down on the policies that are making things worse and we will continue to see a deterioration of civil society. I am on the "front lines" and am seeing it everyday. I hope and pray that you and your loved ones are never the victims of violent crimes. Please be aware of your surroundings and be prepared to take actions to defend yourself and others if the need arises. Oh, and this should go without saying but when you get the chance..... Vote. Vote for law and order. Vote for personal freedoms. Vote for getting the government the hell out of your life. Vote as much as you can to stop this insanity.
 
Victims:
Raleigh Police Officer Gabriel Torres, 29 Nicole Connors, 52 Susan Karnatz, 49 Mary Marshall, 34 James Thompson, 16

Shooter:
Austin Thompson, the younger brother of James

This video from WRAL, shows a picture of the 2 brothers. The mother said on the posting of the picture, "first day of 10th and 11th grade, and maybe Austin will smile one day". Sounds like he had issues and was not happy.
 
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I would have way more respect for an Anti that said.....We want to take ALL your guns...every damn one that you own...even BB guns.
It would be out of character [as if they have any] for them to tell the truth about what they really want, but it would be refreshing.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I would have way more respect for an Anti that said.....We want to take ALL your guns...every damn one that you own...even BB guns.
It would be out of character [as if they have any] for them to tell the truth about what they really want, but it would be refreshing.
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That would require honesty which seems hard to find these days in anyone of “power” or elected office I should say
 
I really am surprised the shooter’s parents haven’t been more of a media focal point. On one side they did not see the younger brother was acting up? Some of course asking “How could they let a child get a such a powerful firearm? The usual “Where were the parents” type stuff? The start of this occurred around 5pm … were MOM & Dad at work (or on the way home) … man, I could not imagine coming home thru all that traffic and neighborhood lock down to find one out son dead and the other did it along with going rogue. I’m sure they have been questioned by the various law organizations and the answers are part of the on going investigation but it is kinda funny the media hasn’t hounded them.

It really is to early for the real questions that need to be answered to be released but I wanna know …
Who was his primary target and why?
Why did he kill his brother?
Was it a prior problem or did big brother try to stop him?
 
Radar said:
Sounds like a good guy with a gun …ie the off duty cop got ambushed and wasn’t able to defend himself. Not sure if he got any shots off or was even armed. But the 15 year old kid is in serious or critical condition …not sure of a self inflicted wound or one from an officer or victim or bystander
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Sadly most cops would be pretty easy prey to just an average shooter. My step son before he left the sheriffs dept told me that about half the cops he worked with only shot their guns once a year to qualify. Many had not unholstered their gun for a year. Always a few that failed.
 
Etruett said:
Sadly most cops would be pretty easy prey to just an average shooter. My step son before he left the sheriffs dept told me that about half the cops he worked with only shot their guns once a year to qualify. Many had not unholstered their gun for a year. Always a few that failed.
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It’s actually sounding like he was getting into his car and got shot in the chest based off the calls to 911
 
Etruett said:
Sadly most cops would be pretty easy prey to just an average shooter. My step son before he left the sheriffs dept told me that about half the cops he worked with only shot their guns once a year to qualify. Many had not unholstered their gun for a year. Always a few that failed.
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Yeah, that's not even close to reality but by all means you do you.
 
News & Observer full of "Mass Shooting" stories today.

Editorial by the N&O Editorial Board stated, "And on Thursday evening, a teenager dressed in camouflage and carrying a long rifle killed five people in Raleigh, including an off-duty police officer. Two others were shot. Raleigh police arrested a 15-year-old white male who is now in the hospital with life-threatening injuries." The members of the Editorial Board wouldn't know a rifle from a shotgun from an extra hole in their respective heads.

In a linked article about the shooter, Austin Thompson, a section titled "WHAT KIND OF GUN DID THE RALEIGH SHOOTER USE?" said, "Authorities haven't said what type of weapon the shooter used. A 911 caller said he was dressed in camouflage and carrying a long gun and backpack."

Best guess and speculation from above is that it was a shotgun of some kind. If it had been an evil black rifle, it would be on full display.

Biden should take full responsibility for this shooting after he said, "Just get a shotgun."
 
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One of the 911 calls they played on the news, the caller said it was a white guy running with a shotgun. Who knows what the caller knows about firearms, but normally the uninformed would have spouted off about it being an assault rifle.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
The absolute naive stupdity of at least one of the posters in here would make a rotten cabbage look like a Rhodes Scholar.

1_ asking the howlingly idiotic question of why the local "militia" did not stop this person.... as if armed and vigilant citizens crept around every bush and tree, waiting to be Hero Hal and snuff some maniac. Look, you cognitive behemoth. WE DON'T CARRY TO STOP MADMEN FROM KILLING UNARMED CITIZENS (PRIMARILY). We carry to protect ourselves, not to be some "militia." I put militia in quotes since you obviously have not reached the intellectual level of a fairly bright turnip, since you have no idea that a "militia" is not a constabulory (police force). A "militia" is a military force, purposed and formed to resist STATE TYRANNY. It is not to protect citizenry against madmen or fools (good for you, it seems!). Let me tell you what the organized or unorganized force is for stopping this.... (crickets).... That is right. NOTHING. There is no force because such a force is IMPOSSIBLE. Even the police do not have the job of "protecting" despite the cutesy little slogans spray painted on their cars. Their job is to gather evidence and arrest criminals AFTER THE CRIME. If they can stop violent crime in process, all the better. That is not their job. In fact, the USSC has ruled repeatedly that if they do NOT take steps to stop crime even when they could have, they cannot be held liable. Sooooo, while I know I might as well be asking you to sprout wings and fly to the moon, I am going to waste bandwidth and ask you to ask INFORMED questions in here about such matters. Now I know this would require the Herculean task of actually INFORMING yourself in advance (see how that works?), and I might as well be asking you to shoulder the Empire State Building on your shoulders and tote it down to Atlanta. Poor dribbling idiot obviously cannot hold a simple syllogism in that neural knob we euphemistically call a "brain." So we will just hand you some crayons and clear out a corner for you.

2) Asserting (actually implying) that the shooter had a political affiliation, while being blissfully ignorant that the overwhelming majority of mass shooters actually have the OPPOSITE political alleigance. When confronted with this, he pulled the normal internet cretin response of asking for verification, as if it were our job to research this for you and give it to you in a format that your intellectual faculties could grasp. I will break it down simple for ya, but I fear it will be like trying to teach calculus to a german shepherd. The poor thing barks excitedly, hops around and you think "maybe he is getting it." But alas, in the end it is just blabber to him. Nevertheless, here goes THE-OVERWHELMING-MAJORITY-ARE-LEFTISTS. This much is confirmed beyond a doubt.. I will give you a brief and quick result of a simple google search on the subject:

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan – Democrat
Adam Lanza – Liberal
Columbine High School shooters – From very liberal families
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho – Leftist
Virginia Tech decapitator – Liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes – Fringe Leftist
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan – Liberal

There is this really cool thing, Bowser, that people who don't know their @$$es from a hole in the ground (DING! you win yet another prize!!) on a subject sometimes do before spouting out the first thing that comes into that head... they (ahem) "RESEARCH" stuff. Again, I know I am asking Empire State Building effort and stuff, but do try.

Anyway.......

3) The EEG flatlined mumbler did manage to stumble across a truth...... but like a protozoa with a neural defect, the poor brainless retard did with it about what you would expect. Like an Australian aborigine might think a kabob skewer is a neato device to clean wax out of his ear, wind up puncturing an eardrum (or worse), so Mr Brainiac here finds a truth..... that shootings... especially mass shootings.... are actually MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES in the main. Unfortunately the mental strain of figuring out what to DO with this truth is too much strain for our hero, and he tries to use it to clean wax out of his ear... by claiming this is a problem of Republicans being unwilling to FUND mental health care. I suppose it is too much to ask someone like the poster to get all SEVEN of those functioning neurons firing at once and cognize that the connecting behavior in almost every single young male doing this stuff relates to SSRI drugs. If he had, alas, had the ability to form a simple train of thought that went "BAD REPUBLICANS .... along with some Democrats.... but BAD REPUBLICANS....., help enhance, promote, foment and encourage big Pharma to poison brains and create dementia/schizphrenia in young men by hawking this stuff" .... if the poor retard was able to make this cognitive leap, we could pat him on the head and say "GOOD BOY, now here is a stick.... fetch!" But alas and alack, there is no such ability to reach towering intellectual heights for our hero. Instead, it is "republicans don't fund mental health." He is good for giggles, anyway.

Finally, our hero does display the one thing you CAN depend on someone who gets their "news" from Facebook... and the VIEW. He emotes. He is deeply horrified by the shootings (none of us are, of course... we are all too busy felating our guns). You see... he CARES. He is MOVED to sympathy and demonstrates how profoundly he can lugubriate and emote. He is a good person.

I find him emblematic of internet "liberals." Contemptible, a combo of a posturing moron and an imbecile, but maybe you figured that before now.
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I think you could put your credit card numbers in a post this long and you’d still be safe because nobody will read it.
 
beamernc said:
One of the 911 calls they played on the news, the caller said it was a white guy running with a shotgun. Who knows what the caller knows about firearms, but normally the uninformed would have spouted off about it being an assault rifle.
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Maybe it was one of those AR-15 shotguns I saw on CNN.
 
Red Marley said:
You know how we know it's a shotgun? Because they aren't telling us it's a shotgun.
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maybe they gotta get the websites to update their definitions before they can make the announcement... that way when people go look up assault shotguns, they see definitions from "trusted sources" showing that anything more modern than a hammer fired SxS is evil.
you know, like planned parenthood did for fetal heartbeats
 
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