Triangle Shooting Academy update from Bill

@Prodiver , Glad to have you. Have visited your shop a couple of times and have always been warmly welcomed. Thank you for coming here to address the concerns of the gun totin public. The fact that you are here is important because it shows you are a member of the same. I appreciate that. I have bought from you in the past and may do so again in the future. I believe we are all done a diservice when we loose a 2A business. The more of you we have, the stronger position ours is for 2A rights. Glad to see you here and hope we may both be of service to our shooting community for years to come.
 
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Went there on opening day and it was obvious the sale guy I got didn't know what he was talking about and even the primers were way over priced. Saw no reason to go back. I don't see what people see in that place
 
I do not mean to be a militant type...

It's alright...go ahead...mean to be.

When it comes to standing for, preserving and guarding our natural rights, the militant types are exactly what we need.
 
Biggest issue is the balance of business, insurance, the public and employee safety.

Almost all gun owners are unsafe as hell. Even the best make mistakes in gun safety. It's a fact. Like it or not. If I just hurt your butt, this must stick. Be safer.

As a gun store offering a service that exsposes the business, employees and Customer's to a hazard how do you midagte it?

Signage is insurance speak for libility avoidance. We all know signs do not work in reality but gets you off the hook from a insurance expense perspective.

I think the key to all of this is to lower exposure to the hazard. We can not midigate dumb, but we can control it.

How do you control a hazard?
*Administration
*Engineering
*PPE

*Admin = signage
* Engineering = clearing barrels as needed
*PPE not practical in a store setting.

Side note:
Some of you saying "I will never go" you never were or have been. So please just quit being a turd. Some of you Jump on every ban wagon that's rolls by. It gets old reading the negative B.S. that never held water in the first place.

I think TSA jacked themselves with poor wording and a single bad point of view. I think to midagte risk they need to have a smarter view and techniques to fix the issue.
 
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amen...

some people just dont understand how business works, and others revel in seeing 2A companies go out of business

Failures is all they know.

I think here on the "net" some members have no life and no personal equity beyond ownership of a gun and a wikipedia saved link to the constitution to show how some place is f&-King them.
 
their shop their rules...

ther was several A$$HATS that came into our shop that had to take out their concealed gun and swept me several times, my daughter a couple of times, brian a handfull of times...

why do people want to show me their carry gun, i own a freaking gun shop, i dont need to see it...


for a place like TSA that carried holsters i could see how it would be a problem... i would have done the same thing... i value my safety more than a sale...

why do people looking for a holster have to take out their LOADED gun and start fumble fu**ing with a loaded gun in the store? its an accident waiting to happen..

Agree.

I think the lack of the ability to make and show clear safely is a area for improvement.
 
Failures is all they know.

I think here on the "net" some members have no life and no personal equity beyond ownership of a gun and a wikipedia saved link to the constitution to show how some place is f&-King them.

Well we can't all be tactical gods mate. Some of us have shit to do other than stroke off on our guns.
 
Well we can't all be tactical gods mate. Some of us have shit to do other than stroke off on our guns.

Agreed. But there is a difference beteen being a responsible gun owner and an ass-hat that sweeps every range and shop he/she goes to. IMO there are lots of levels of gun owners.
 
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I'm just curious where all these local ranges are getting all these SEALs that the Navy seems to be hemorrhaging. Seems like every place you go to has a staff full of SEALs, Delta, Force Recon, SAS, GIGN, etc.

Teaching Basic Pistol Marksmanship, Basic Carbine, and how to make a bugout bag.

In my mind, that's a pretty small community in general, even after the increases seen since 2001. I just don't particularly see the local gun shop teaching new gun folks stuff being that kind of lure from the SF community.
Well, I've never seen a retired clerk or supply SGT! Jus sayin...
 
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I can honestly say I have never tried a holster at a shop. I'm lefty and there is very rarely, if ever, a lefty holster in stock in any store. Can't say I blame them. We're only 10% of the population. The only 10% that is okay to ignore. [emoji38] [emoji12]

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So only you are professional enough to handle the Glock 40.



Are you redneck enough?????


Well we can't all be tactical gods mate. Some of us have shit to do other than stroke off on our guns.

for starters you are one I was thinking about when I typed what I typed. As you can see I stroked you nerve. Thank you for enforcing the bate.

It gets old reading you saying that you are never going to do X or Y or Z. you know you never are, you never were or will. Just read and move on, or participate in a positive way. Right now you are thinking on how to add some poor mans blues to your twist. I will leave you with this:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/02/ben-carson-is-right-about-the-poverty-mindset-ask-lottery-winners/
 
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Almost all gun owners are unsafe as hell.
some people just dont understand how business works, and others revel in seeing 2A companies go out of business
I think here on the "net" some members have no life and no personal equity beyond ownership of a gun
i just told them in a smartarse way that i own a gun shop
for starters you are one I was thinking about when I typed what I typed. As you can see I stroked you nerve.

Are y'all done with degrading your customer base now?
 
Are y'all done with degrading your customer base now?

Personally I am done with giving a sh!t about grown a$$ adults feelings. everything You quoted me above is how I see it.

Like it or not, I really do not give a damn about playing nice... It will not affect who comes or goes to my classes anyhow. Adults are just that, adults.

Like it or hate it, it is what it is.
 
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Money over every thing else.....makes the world go round I guess. If Constitutional Carry passes, we can't make money on CCW classes, if the newbies are idiots the rest of us have to give up rights.....hey its your place Bill do as you want.....but you and the sell out crowd won't ever get my business.

When you forget your base......your base forgets you. You cannot be everything to everybody and stay true to the cause.
 
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Almost all gun owners are unsafe as hell. Even the best make mistakes in gun safety. It's a fact. Like it or not. If I just hurt your butt, this must stick. Be safer.

To the extent this is correct, gun store owners and employees are generally gun owners.

I feel most comfortable when nobody is sweeping anyone else with a gun.
 
I don't see what people see in that place

The Raleigh/RTP soccer Dad's and Mom's and the hipster set need a safe place to be trained to use their new pew pew toy by genuine Navy Seals, and then get a latte. Come on brother get with the program....
 
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amen...

some people just dont understand how business works, and others revel in seeing 2A companies go out of business


.....and others like to be treated as free men and responsible adults while not losing their natural rights because others are idiots.

I surely see the business part in full glory at TSA.....but not so much the 2A part, well maybe 2A lite.
 
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Just for some perspective, doesn't our military restrict concealed (and open) carry while training and supporting the hundreds of thousands of citizens who have taken an oath to defend our constitution?

There are pros and cons to TSA like anywhere/everywhere, and everyone here can make their own decisions about what to do without trashing the positives of the place.
 
Ok.
Both you guys don't seem to be mean guys, I just think you were kinda hard on the boyz right there.
We didn't do anything. We're the good guys.

Friday,

It's deeper then this post. I for one am sick of people pretending to ban a business they never went to anyhow. I am sick of people acting in a written b!tch slap for the sake of venting their negative message. All the while wrapping god given rights as a justification for it.

It gets old and it's too common here and on the "net" that kind of action will kill any kind or respected conversation.

Let me ask you one question. Why with so many members here are only a limited number of sponsors actively engaged with the gen-pop membership?

Of the ones that are, two of them just posted the give a damn is broke about caring about people's feelings.

Why is that?
 
for starters you are one I was thinking about when I typed what I typed. As you can see I stroked you nerve. Thank you for enforcing the bate.

It gets old reading you saying that you are never going to do X or Y or Z. you know you never are, you never were or will. Just read and move on, or participate in a positive way.

If you dont like what I'm saying mate, quit reading what I post or block me. I'm not even close to the most negative guy here, just the prettiest. Frankly I'm not super impressed by your attitude either, but I don't generally assume I get to choose the tone and content of other people's posts. Weird I know. Seems like pretty much all you post these days is ads and bitching about people yourself.

Also did you have any more rules for me to follow before I post on a forum you don't own? I wouldn't want to upset....... whoever you think you are.
 
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Friday,

It's deeper then this post. I for one am sick of people pretending to ban a business they never went to anyhow. I am sick of people acting in a written b!tch slap for the sake of venting their negative message. All the while wrapping god given rights as a justification for it.

It gets old and it's too common here and on the "net" that kind of action will kill any kind or respected conversation.

Let me ask you one question. Why with so many members here are only a limited number of sponsors actively engaged with the gen-pop membership?

Of the ones that are, two of them just posted the give a damn is broke about caring about people's feelings.

Why is that?

Because working with the public turns to into a miserable bastard? I know it did me.
 
If you dont like what I'm saying mate, quit reading what I post or block me. I'm not even close to the most negative guy here, just the prettiest. Frankly I'm not super impressed by your attitude either, but I don't generally assume I get to choose the tone and content of other people's posts. Weird I know. Seems like pretty much all you post these days is ads and bitching about people yourself.

Also did you have any more rules for me to follow before I post on a forum you don't own? I wouldn't want to upset....... whoever you think you are.

Point proven

Thanks
 
@JBoyette @Ammoparts.com

I understand your empathy with the OP here in dealing with firearms and the general public. I, too, was a small businessman for many years. I am also not one to jump on the "burn the witch!" bandwagon when a business does something that happens to slight someone else.

While the majority of this discussion has been focused on TSA's recent dust-up over the concealed carry policy, I find their mercantile habits of data gathering (by not selling to anyone who won't give their name/range card/member number in an otherwise public establishment in order for TSA to establish a profile in their database) to be even more troubling. Will I give my name to the clerk at a restaurant so they can call my name when my #2 combo is ready? Sure. Do I want my name attached to every firearm related parts and ammo transaction, no matter how insignificant, no. No I don't.

I realise this next question is somewhat rhetorical, but why do you think so many guns where sold during the last presidential administration's tenure, and in the run up to the most recent election? Because everyone was scared to death that someone was going to end the sale of firearms as we know it. And many continue to fear that they may try to take them away at a future date. So we all dumped them in the lake. While we can't seem to do much about all those 4473's out there, I would sure like to limit the records of everything else.

As much as I have been impressed by TSA's range, and cafe, I find this practice of insisting they invade my privacy in what I can only assume is an attempt to further their marketing goals to be simply unacceptable and I made the decision to vote with my feet after politely, but vocally expressing my concern and displeasure when it occurred.
 
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@JBoyette @Ammoparts.com

I understand your empathy with the OP here in dealing with firearms and the general public. I, too, was a small businessman for many years. I am also not one to jump on the "burn the witch!" bandwagon when a business does something that happens to slight someone else.

While the majority of this discussion has been focused on TSA's recent dust-up over the concealed carry policy, I find their mercantile habits of data gathering (by not selling to anyone who won't give their name/range card/member number in an otherwise public establishment in order for TSA to establish a profile in their database) to be even more troubling. Will I give my name to the clerk at a restaurant so they can call my name when my #2 combo is ready? Sure. Do I want my name attached to every firearm related parts and ammo transaction, no matter how insignificant, no. No I don't.

I realise this next question is somewhat rhetorical, but why do you think so many guns where sold during the last presidential administration's tenure, and in the run up to the most recent election? Because everyone was scared to death that someone was going to end the sale of firearms as we know it. And many continue to fear that they may try to take them away at a future date. So we all dumped them in the lake. While we can't seem to do much about all those 4473's out there, I would sure like to limit the records of everything else.

As much as I have been impressed by TSA's range, and cafe, I find this practice of insisting they invade my privacy in what I can only assume is an attempt to further their marketing goals to be simply unacceptable and I made the decision to vote with my feet after politely, but vocally expressing my concern and displeasure when it occurred.

I get that and you make a solid case as a past customer that has a reason to make the choice that you make. The main issue I have are the ones that never used the business and want to dance on any and all small business that does something not well. Look at how LGS are treated. Damn near with discontent when someone posts one thing.

John
 
I understand what transpired at TSA to cause their reaction. I understand dumbasses not knowing, not caring, or just plain being stupid around firearms, a tool that when you make a mistake or have an accident with it, "sorry" can't fix.

Seeing as his store is about 2 hours from me, I'm not likely going to be his customer base anyway, so I'm not going to jump on that bandwagon. However, I think @Prodiver overreacted and that there would be better ways to create a sane policy and establish a safe environment, but it's going to require a more wholistic approach than a sign and policy that obviously pisses people off. To put it another way, it's possible to have safety without being a jerk about it but you have to deal with the problems. For example, as others have pointed out, unholstering a loaded gun in the store is a bad idea and have also aroposed an effective solution - unload it at the range, carry it emptied with the chamber clear and the slide locked and pointed down - the same way that one would turn in a gun they tried out and want to swap for another. Something like this makes far more sense.

There is a range here in a High Point that I haven't been to in a few years. When I was last there the guy had enacted absurd policies (e.g. No more then 5rds in a magazine) that diminished the experience because of one dumbass. Would those policies stop s dumbass? No, but they impacted everyone else and made for a negative customer experience.
 
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I typically have never really agreed with @JBoyette on many subjects. Especially when it comes to free tuna.
However, being a former member of TSA and living a block away and shooting there on a fairly regular basis, I have to say I agree with John on this one. We have a bunch of people on here that during TSA's opening weekend, we had a large number of members hop on here first thing and find something to complain about. They didn't have primers, prices too high, not organized. What I didn't see was a group assembled on our end to show up and say thanks for investing money into this facility and supporting the 2a.
I think what some of you fail to realize is that you are probably not the target demographic for that institution. They're trying to appeal to the masses. Mostly because you can't support a facility like that with just revenue from well educated gun owners that are safe and follow the rules. The numbers aren't there. They need to appeal to the mass to keep the doors open. So if your upset go have a conversation with someone there instead of b*tching on the internet. Let me be clear, I'm not a TSA fan boy. I had a membership there and when I went to renew they would not honor the previous price I had paid. I spoke to a couple people and in the end I decided I would not renew and would just pay as I went. Their loss. I wasn't even shooting enough to make the membership pay for itself but I knew that going in and will always try and support someone trying to further the cause.
 
I think that you are also missing that TSA relaxed some of the rules as part of the change. From opening day until recently, they had the same rules as Frontline Defense and Range 37: No loaded weapons anywhere on the property except on the firing line. This included concealed weapons. Now you can carry concealed in the restaurant and the retail side.

I agree 100% with Traceround. A lot of people in there are rookie shooters, and for many, it's their first gun. It's a huge untapped market. And if only 10% of them turn into more serious gun nuts then TSA has done a lot for the 2A community. Before they opened, if I wanted to introduce a friend to shooting, I had to take them to the county range (which, in most cases, requires a 90 minute orientation class and has inconvenient hours), or PDHSC (which is dark, creepy and antiquated). TSA is a great place for introducing new shooters to a fun sport, and works well to chip away at the stereotypes that most non-shooters have of us.

Can you imagine what would happen if someone was hurt there? WRAL would have a truck parked out there for a week, telling everyone that TSA was more dangerous than taking a hike on the northern end of the ATT. I also let my membership expire, but it was purely an economic decision: son heading to college, I want a new truck, and $20 maybe 20 times a year was less than the annual membership. (Now that they are giving members unlimited rentals of everything, that might change the dynamic, after I get my new truck). But I loved the place, and will continue to use it, even with the new rules.
 
The thing I like best about TSA is that right here in the middle of a big retail and residential area in the overly progressive Triangle, we have a big, visible range that puts shooting in front of people who are either ignorant or opposed to it. They can see a bunch of bitter clingers and deplorables and realize they look like normal folks they live and work with. Maybe they recognize a friend. I think that can only help when it comes to fighting gun control.

I am not a member but have taken three classes and shot at the range a couple times. I have always found the staff to be professional, knowledgable and courteous. Could they handle the CC policy better? Probably so, there are some good ideas in this thread. One thing I will say is that having someone pop into the range to make a gun safe is not practical due to the line at times, but perhaps they could set up a dedicate room/area.

I have never run into the no-name-no-sale issue simply because I have never tried to buy any products there. I don't like that either, and it's why I don't have loyalty cards. But for Pete's sake I can't think of anything i cld buy there that would put me more on govs radar than what I already have. I have not found TSAs email ads burdensome given they have that info from my class registrations.

The bottom line for me is that it is a decent facility that is close enough to make me more likely to train or shoot, and a good place to meet up with folks or introduce new shooters. I can avoid the negatives while helping to normalize shooting in front of the people we need to get that message.

I find it near impossible to be a purist on 2A carry, and slamming TSA for their compromises is counter productive. I'd rather get rid of gun free zones, and that won't happen with large numbers of nonshooters afraid or ignorant of what gun owners and shooting are really like.
 
But they have trained people there pertectin you.

We all got training when we obtained our CCP.

Maybe TSA has a > 8 hour training course on firearms law and handling though?
 
Biggest issue is the balance of business, insurance, the public and employee safety.

Almost all gun owners are unsafe as hell. Even the best make mistakes in gun safety. It's a fact. Like it or not. If I just hurt your butt, this must stick. Be safer.

This is such a true statement!!!

We as citizens have the right to keep and bear arms, but what about the responsibilities that goes along with gun ownership? What percentage of the people that get a CCW go on to the next level of training?

Gun shops and ranges are at the mercy of their insurance.
 
Sponsors do so for probably a variety of reasons.

-support an online community where the 2A is discussed

-advertise their business where they know they'll get quite a bit of exposure


Why don't more of them post in messages?

Probably because they're *working* their business and not just sitting around waiting for some to sign up for something or click an order button in a website.

Might be, or the way LGS are treated by some of the staff, and members makes it not worth the effort.

John
 
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