Fluid usually drives HP expansion, not solids, so I wouldn’t think HP is a solution.Anybody have any experience with either type of ammo and drywall penetration?
We have to keep in perspective every over Penetration is a missed shot.
This ^^^Frangible is good for about one thing only, shooting steel up close. I’m sure it’s better than a sharp stick in the eye but it would be my last choice for HD use.
Also it is a common misconception that 5.56 will penetrate walls more than other rounds. Your 9mm will actually penetrate more walls in a house than 5.56 will.
So HP ammo is probably the better choice for HD then?This ^^^
9mm will go through most houses built today unless it hits something solid. 7.62 is the same.
Frangible (like someone said earlier) is just for range work. It’s basically a soft or pressed/powder metal projectile designed to destruct on whatever it hits with.
HP is the answer in all situations.So HP ammo is probably the better choice for HD then?
Correct,A missed shot will certainly over penetrate. As someone that has a lot of experience with rifles on human sized game, I'm going to assume that a lot of hits will over penetrate as well. Particularly in the absence of any kind of bullet resistant armor, even soft stuff. I think that's a missing part of the discussion. A rifle is designed to over penetrate. And anything less is a crap shoot that does not begin and end with accuracy. While my experience with 556 in this manner is pretty non existent. I just have a hard time imagining that increasing the velocity of that small projectile does not produce pass through shots. I'm sure that's more so with some projectiles, but I'm skeptical on all hits equal stoppage since not all hits are equal.
And penetration is a game of inches, if not millimeters. I lost a deer this season because of the angle I shot into the body. I'm assuming the projectile hung up on the far shoulder in the hide. I've shot through and through similar sized deer before when not at that acute angle. Just enough resistance to not give me an exit wound and a blood trail. I've got to assume people are similar. Some shots will pass through, some shots will stop based on impacts with bone, muscle, fluid, etc.
Knowing the backdrop and your situation is the solution to all of that though.
A "well placed shot...shot"Correct,
Hears the deal as you pointed out a well placed shit does not mean you get a exit hole, and if you do that pass through might not be inline with the point of aim.
It's a wild card that can not be accounted for or calibrated in the results category.
But ever missed shot is 100% inline with the line of sight and is accounted for.
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There is no reason for anyone to not have a actionable plan to repel a home invasion at this point. Nor the tools to do it well.
Between training classes, YouTube, blog posts and CFF people should be good to go
I think I remember youtube video of frangible ammo being tested and falling short in penetration. It makes a nasty surface wound, but likely not enough to stop a determined or drugged up attacker.Part of the reason for asking is I have some 10 years old 45 ACP frangible ammo that at the time was marketed for HD.
There was a trend years back where people actually thought frangible was good HD ammo. Lots of companies were marketing it, and was expensive AF. Like 5-6 bucks a round. MagSafe, Glaser, extreme shock…Part of the reason for asking is I have some 10 years old 45 ACP frangible ammo that at the time was marketed for HD.
And those companies made tons of money off of those Special Forces Mall Ninja roundsThere was a trend years back where people actually thought frangible was good HD ammo. Lots of companies were marketing it, and was expensive AF. Like 5-6 bucks a round. MagSafe, Glaser, extreme shock…
This explains why I'm finding my sabot slugs unexpanded in my dirt backstop.Fluid usually drives HP expansion, not solids, so I wouldn’t think HP is a solution.