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If voted counted you wouldn't be allowed to do it
The only part that matters is who counts the votes.
I did my part. God knows it.
Not an attack on you @noway2 ....but don't say that and not be prepared to do anything about it.
Dad always said if you don't Vote then you ain't got a damn thing to complain about. So please vote and let your voice be heard.
That is one way of looking at it and I see the point. I have also sent it been said that voting legitimizes an illegitimate system and I see that point too.
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Wish my wife was that engaged. She feels that nothing we do matters because the whole system is corrupt. Can’t say I disagree but I’m stubborn enough that believe there is still hope.
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Yeah, she's very switched on. I do have apathy/malaise at the national level, but really think you can affect change at the local and state level.
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I votes last week.
We have a small district. Walked in, had to wait while they directed a lady to her correct polling place. Joked around with the guy volunteering. I had my Tree of Liberty shirt on, told him it was in honor of Biden. He told me he decided not to wear his Biden "Happy 4th of Easter" shirt. If I counted the tallies right they had given out about 80 Republican ballots and 9 Democrat ballots by about noon.
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Just got home from BOE, we had nearly triple the voters we had at the last election. NC has a very secure voting system, I understand people’s cynicism but I still believe it is the best in the world. But if everyone decides my vote doesn’t matter you are handing power to your opposition.
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I normally vote early but didn’t have a chance this time. I ended up leaving work a few min early today and was able to walk in, no line at all, vote, walk out.
I am curious to see how the votes look with voter ID now being the law in NC.
I am curious to see how the votes look with voter ID now being the law in NC.
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Really interested in seeing how they spin a bunch or Republicans voting for a black candidate for governor as proof positive of white supremacy and republicans being racists.
Well, that didn't take long.
www.theguardian.com
Hitler-quoting candidate wins North Carolina Republican gubernatorial primary
Mark Robinson, who has history of making inflammatory comments, will face Democrat Josh Stein in November
www.theguardian.com
Once again, stupid repugs focusing on social issues instead of what really matters. Great way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
So if you cater to the lefts ideas you have already lost. If you don't separate yourself from the left, you loose. Because you cannot out left them. I'm not really sure what folks don't understand about Conservatives acting to conserve a way of life in this country. Then getting mad when they talk about it or act on it. That's the dang point! It's the counterweight to the progressive march left into oblivion.
If I'm not mistaken, don't you complain about the social stuff AND the fact the right is just drifting left at a slightly slower speed? it's because people are harping on stuff like the social issues and it makes them think they are supposed to go left, just slower. It's not just you. Lots of folks send some really mixed political messages and I'm not even sure most of them get it. You are not going to have conservatives without social issues. Without social issues, they all end up progressives eventually.
This middle ground everyone wants is as much a fantasy as any of the extreme political positions out there. It's just not going to happen.
I am not a republican and I find the word to be foul, but anymore democrat is even worse. The libertarian party is a joke, so I don't bother with it. At the same, there are parts of all of their platforms that I agree with and vehemently disagree with. Consequently, I am an independent and the ability to swing in the primary is an advantageous side effect. On a lot of social issues, but not all, I side more with the left and think that the "conservatives" are on the wrong side. An example of this is an issue that seems to currently be settled: gay marriage. When it comes to the indoctrination going on in the schools, especially the push to normalize sexual deviance, I side with the right.
Where I do fit in with the "conservatives" is where it comes to more secular issues like the economy and taxes, immigration, the 2nd amendment, etc. In other ways, I am probably an extremist in that I would do away with our current legal system and much of law enforcement and put a lot more responsibility back in the hands of the people. Perhaps I am also a bit of an anarchist in that I don't need rulers and don't believe that we need to have a formal State (which is different than government).
What I am sick of, however, is that next to nothing is getting done on the issues that I am concerned about and instead there is all this BS about things like abortion and bathrooms and other social stuff that ultimately gets overturned by the courts.
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To the first part I can agree. To the second I have a question. Over the last couple decades how many of those social issues have been initiated or instigated by the right? And how many have been reactions to the left? The right tends to be reactionary on social issues. And the left will absolutely not stop pushing. Do you ever ask yourself where we would be socially if the right was NOT a check on the lefts insanity? Because both of the issues you mention are reactionary on the part of the right. The NC bathroom bill was a reaction to progressives in Mecklenburg overstepping their authority. And the current abortion issue is in large part a reaction to the lefts push for late term abortion.
To abortion, in my life time, the left has gone from the Clinton idea of legal, safe, and rare to the current idea abortion up until natural birth. And even then the left waffles on defining what a natural birth would be in regards to whether an abortion can be performed during birth or even after birth.
I have these discussion with my wife a lot. The left wants to start an argument in the middle and cry foul. While totally ignoring their part in starting the argument.
You must not have heard, they changed the rules in 2020.
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On Facebook one of my friends had a similar post, like 'today is primary day, go vote,' and my response was 'I did, and I am so patriotic I did it twice,' and someone (not him, not the OP) commented they turned me into the board of elections for voter fraud lol. We'll see what happens.
I voted, with 4 min to spare.
The good part was I was able to talk with the folks there, got on the list to volunteer, and spoke with the guy running for Wake Co that I happened to have voted for.
The good part was I was able to talk with the folks there, got on the list to volunteer, and spoke with the guy running for Wake Co that I happened to have voted for.
The answer to insanity from the left shouldn't be to equally insane to the right? Outside of this (geographic) area, which is highly "socially conservative", and even then, the "so-cons" are a subset, if not minority, of the population these positions, reactionary or not, are seen as extreme. Case in point, which I have mentioned before, I had a coworker who by just about every metric would be a "conservative" who was angry enough over the R v Wade overturn to be ready to go march on DC.
If someone is mad about Roe v. Wade being overturned, that person is not a conservative. Period.
Roe v. Wade is one of the most poorly reasoned (probably the most poorly reasoned) Supreme Court rulings in this nation's history, regardless of how one feels about whether abortion is murder or not.
The justices in Roe conjured up a "right" to abortion out of thin air, even though it is found nowhere in the US Constitution, with the laughable claim that vague, mystical "emanations and penumbras" allowed them to infer the existence of such a right.
I personally think abortion is murder. You might think it's a great thing and want it to be subsidized up until the instant of a baby's birth.
Regardless, under our US Constitution, it is for each individual state to determine laws surrounding abortion, not the federal government.
It is really not much different from the issue of slavery prior to the 13th Amendment. An issue which creates a stark moral divide, but over which the power to legislate is not given to the federal government. Federal involvement in the issue, absent a constitutional amendment to address it, is wholly unconstitutional, and to say anything otherwise is 100% factually incorrect, and certainly not "conservative".
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You can. We have a mess in my county. Three county commisioners who have really screwed us. However after Tuesday one is out of the running for reelection. Hopefully a second will be gone after the general election. Then we only need one more gone.
Abortion is but one of the issues, though it is one of the few that Robinson has been vocal on. If he continues to harp about it he is likely going to crash hard because outside of the so-con echo chamber, these far-right positions are not popular. "Conservatives", of which I am NOT, are a minority.
My personal views are irrelevant.
That was my point. Regardless of someone's personal views on abortion, Roe was a garbage, anti-constitution ruling, and anybody who believes in the Constitution must admit that. Anyone who thinks Roe shouldn't have been overturned quite literally doesn't believe in the constitutional republic that we are supposed to be sharing.
You have a point about unpopular opinions when it comes to debates within our state about abortion, but the spectrum of opinions is more nuanced than "abortion until birth" or "no abortion". I do not have the research pulled up, but there is majority support across the US for restrictions somewhere in the ballpark of 10-15 weeks, if I recall correctly. In a religious state like NC, I'm guessing we are at or even below the bottom end of that range.
Of your two examples I don't consider not killing viable children and knowing what bathroom you should use to be extreme. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. The problem with a lot of this is the choke hold of the media by the left. Gotta wonder how many people would agree with many of the conservative arguments, but the media refuses to give them time and spends the time slandering them as extremists. And then that choke hold does sway people that are conservative in funny ways. You see it here with Trump and people refusing to change a position that they based on an absolute lie because the media drummed it into their head.
And let's be entirely honest here. If the left actually gave a crap about Roe v Wade they would have worked to push it though legislation. The left needs to look in the mirror on that one. How many chances did they have? How many time did they try? Zero that I can think of nationally. They used Roe like they use race and class. To fan up the base and keep them riled up with absolutely not desire to "fix" any part of the issue. It's was too valuable to them broken and they were arrogant enough to think it really was untouchable. The right did what they said they would do. The left lied every step of the way about how important that it was too them. Again, would love to see that pushed more in the public space but the media gatekeeps anything that makes the left look bad anywhere they can.