Arizona police body cam shows boy, 14, fleeing before being shot by cop

Perhaps another citizen has video, like in SC unarmed shoot.
 
Not breaking into a car would be a good first step to not having police or anybody else shooting your ass. Okay chance the dumbass 14 year old that might grow up to be somebody, but just as good a chance he would have graduated into being a full blown POS, so I can't muster near as much outrage or pity as I can for a story like this one.

Anybody wanna guess why we didn't hear much about it?
 
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premise said:
Not breaking into a car would be a good first step to not having police or anybody else shooting your ass. Okay chance the dumbass 14 year old that might grow up to be somebody, but just as good a chance he would have graduated into being a full blown POS, so I can't muster near as much outrage or pity as I can for a story like this one.

Anybody wanna guess why we didn't hear much about it?
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That’s some sort of a bullshit response
 
Tailhunter said:
Why are cops so afraid?
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Really??? The 14 year old, breaking into trucks, carrying an air soft that looks like a real gun and fleeing from an officer, Really???

"child of 14-years-old who doesn't know the difference of what's good and what's bad because he hasn't lived long enough," Arce’s parents said at the vigil.
Doesn't know the difference.... BS.....
 
premise said:
Not breaking into a car would be a good first step to not having police or anybody else shooting your ass. Okay chance the dumbass 14 year old that might grow up to be somebody, but just as good a chance he would have graduated into being a full blown POS, so I can't muster near as much outrage or pity as I can for a story like this one.

Anybody wanna guess why we didn't hear much about it?
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That case made local and national news. We even discussed it on the forum.

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premise said:
Not breaking into a car would be a good first step to not having police or anybody else shooting your ass. Okay chance the dumbass 14 year old that might grow up to be somebody, but just as good a chance he would have graduated into being a full blown POS, so I can't muster near as much outrage or pity as I can for a story like this one.

Anybody wanna guess why we didn't hear much about it?
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We are told over and over, that killing or shooting to protect property is a no no...
 
Bailey Boat said:
Really??? The 14 year old, breaking into trucks, carrying an air soft that looks like a real gun and fleeing from an officer, Really???

"child of 14-years-old who doesn't know the difference of what's good and what's bad because he hasn't lived long enough," Arce’s parents said at the vigil.
Doesn't know the difference.... BS.....
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Except the police did not see a gun...
 
Bailey Boat said:
Really??? The 14 year old, breaking into trucks, carrying an air soft that looks like a real gun and fleeing from an officer, Really???

"child of 14-years-old who doesn't know the difference of what's good and what's bad because he hasn't lived long enough," Arce’s parents said at the vigil.
Doesn't know the difference.... BS.....
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Next time a 14 year old runs away from me holding an air soft (or any gun for that matter) I’ll be sure to piss myself for good measure.

And if that happened and I shot him in the back, at distance, I’ll be sure to tell the law you said it was okay-dokay.
 
I think the issue is that if I were to walk out to my car, see someone rifling around it in, yell “Hey!” And the person started running like crazy away from me I would have to let him go. Even if I see a gun and shoot him from that distance with him fleeing I will have to face possible charges as it’s difficult to stand ones ground against someone fleeing and proving being in fear of my life is much more difficult with the person is running away and my shot is that far.




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Quit trying to fry my ass, all I said was the cop said he had a gun to dispatch.
That's one of the biggest problems with you AW's, putting words between the lines and looking for someone to jump on about it.
Learn to read EXACTLY what's written, not what you want to see or your imagination congers up....

Did I at any time say the cop was right?? Hell no. At any time did I say he was justified, Hell no..
 
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I see it both ways:

1: If the cop saw a gun when he exited the truck, regardless if toy or not he has a case.
2. If he shot from that distance without seeing an object was a toy gun or real gun, he is a murderer.

People have been running from cops for 100s of years. The new breed of wussy hires like to shoot at people because LEO walk around scared 24/7/365. Stop hiring pussies we took snacks from at school and hire professionals. Every time someone runs it’s not a reason for exercising your mobile target skills. Bring back the time when it was a profession, not a job.
 
BlackGun said:
I see it both ways:

1: If the cop saw a gun when he exited the truck, regardless if toy or not he has a case.
2. If he shot from that distance without seeing an object was a toy gun or real gun, he is a murderer.

People have been running from cops for 100s of years. The new breed of wussy hires like to shoot at people because LEO walk around scared 24/7/365. Stop hiring pussies we took snacks from at school and hire professionals. Every time someone runs it’s not a reason for exercising your mobile target skills. Bring back the time when it was a profession, not a job.
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Cause no body ever got shot running away in the old days.
 
And yes that officer is a heck of a shooter. He must have practiced a lot at running away targets to make that one hit with two trigger pulls.
 
I may be wrong again, but the impression I have is that LEO are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect unless the suspect turns and attempts to use deadly force against the LEO. Leo are armed with deadly weapons for their protection. The exception to this, I have been told, is for fleeing convicts. Is this true?
 
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It was much, much less often. But again people had less guns as well on their person.
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Most people caught in the act of a crime would not try to murder the police officer back in the day. SCOTUS ruled 'stop or I'll shoot' was no go.
 
Charlie said:
I may be wrong again, but the impression I have is that LEO are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect unless the suspect turns and attempts to use deadly force against the LEO. Leo are armed with deadly weapons for their protection. The exception to this, I have been told, is for fleeing convicts. Is this true?
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NCGS 15A-401 (d) (2)

A law-enforcement officer is justified in using deadly physical force upon another person for a purpose specified in subdivision (1) of this subsection only when it is or appears to be reasonably necessary thereby:

a. To defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force;

b. To effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person who he reasonably believes is attempting to escape by means of a deadly weapon, or who by his conduct or any other means indicates that he presents an imminent threat of death or serious physical injury to others unless apprehended without delay; or

c. To prevent the escape of a person from custody imposed upon him as a result of conviction for a felony.
 
Charlie said:
I may be wrong again, but the impression I have is that LEO are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect unless the suspect turns and attempts to use deadly force against the LEO. Leo are armed with deadly weapons for their protection. The exception to this, I have been told, is for fleeing convicts. Is this true?
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The way a friend who was a LEO in a major metropolitan US city explained it to me was-
Fleeing Fellon Statute-
It has to be a felon, who is fleeing, and there has to exist the strong likelihood that you either won’t be able to recapture them again, or they are going directly to commit another crime. For clarification, he said it had better be someone like Osama BinLaden, and you’d better be right.
Case law precedent was over a kid who committed a burglary and stole $10, as he was fleeing he was shot in the back of the head.

But statutes vary, and I don’t want to give away where my friend works.
 
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In my opinion this kid didn't come close to meeting the requirements to shoot a fleeing felon.

Any ordinary person would be charged for this aleady. You'd get a ride to the station if this happened face to face in your own garage in the middle of the night...much more so in broad daylight in an alley with the kid 30 yards away with his back to you running when you took your first shot.

Cop mentality...see gun/dog...shoot!!
 
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SC380 said:
In my opinion this kid didn't come close to meeting the requirements to shoot a fleeing felon.

Any ordinary person would be charged for this aleady. You'd get a ride to the station if this happened face to face in your own garage in the middle of the night...much more so in broad daylight in an alley with the kid 30 yards away with his back to you running when you took your first shot.

Cop mentality...see gun/dog...shoot!!
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I agree that this does look like a bad shooting.

But, what people don’t get, is that you (the department) should want to win. So, they will take their time, build up a solid bulletproof (no pun intended) case. Police departments have unions, policeman’s benevolent associations, things like that, all of which complicate matters, and there are Reverse Garrity issues that only exist when dealing with police officers. Each of these issues must be handled properly, That way the officer does face justice.
 
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Spartan01 said:
I agree that this does look like a bad shooting.

But, what people don’t get, is that you (the department) should want to win. So, they will take their time, build up a solid bulletproof (no pun intended) case. Police departments have unions, policeman’s benevolent associations, things like that, all of which complicate matters, and there are Reverse Garrity issues that only exist when dealing with police officers. Each of these issues must be handled properly, That way the officer does face justice.
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In addition to passing laws that say the cops live by the same rules as the rest of us (no more "exceptions for LEOs"), we need more that say there is no more no knock warrants and no more immunity or states/localities using taxpayer money to pay off victims and their families.

That seems like something both sides of the aisle could come together on.
 
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no more immunity or states/localities using taxpayer money to pay off victims and their families.

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In order to have this you would also have to pass legislation that no one could sue a department either.

Would that be an option?
 
Article said that bad guy stole the airsoft from the truck.

Sorry, but guy running with a handgun, I find it hard to say that the officer shouldn’t shoot just because a bad guy is running away. Is bad guy “safe” until he gets to cover and pops off a few rounds, then he’s safe again as he runs to the next corner?

For most of us we only have to worry about the person being a risk to us, so guy runs away we’re done, but the officer has to worry about the guy being a risk to anyone. I’m inclined to cut him some slack on this one.
 
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