That's ok I'll pass.
well yeah just seeing what is here now does make me look like a grumpy oldfart on that I'd agree but most of the post I was commenting on was deleted. Not sure who did the deleting doesn't matter its all resolved now so I won't need to be the old grumpy neighbor or at least appear to just be one...^^Jesus Grandpa..aren't you supposed to be outside shooting the neighbors cat again?
1) Torches a post for what he reads as a know-it-all opinion.
2) Proceeds to post a know-it-all opinion.
Lighten up Francis.
Interesting,
Well here's one of mine and it was Feed Ramps.
I lived it.
So, Feed Ramps don't cause this?
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For a barrel ext to strip that much material off a bullet, you would have resadue in the trigger mechanism.
I think other factors come into play. I could be wrong, but the shift of 1 moa like you posted looks like a shadow effect in the optic with poor parallax adjustment
Noted
However when this occurred I toiled over this dilemma to include removing the firing pin ( as noted in my other post ) to slowly cycle ammo through the feed cycle.
All in All , not that much material was removed at all, rather slightly misinformed nose, ( Soft Points ) and scratching on the projectiles.
Besides the rig I was running has a totally different FCG than an AR10.
In my case, there was a little more material on the right which the round in both being directed to the left & UP to chamber was doing the damage.
Ok, if you remove the firing pin in a AR platform the bolt can not feed, lock, unlock, extract or eject.
So no.
On the bullet deformity.
The deformity is a removal of weight correct?
So shoot 4 wife weights of bullets of the same caliber and you should get 4 different groups right?
Easy to test.
Secondly easy to test, shoot iron sights on the questionable gun. I bet you a free class slot to my PDW class the two groups goes away
Its only one of two things.
1. Parallax in the optic
2. Shadow'ing the reticle
so you don't clean your gun and say you go a few hundred rounds on your bolt gun?? Question what did you clean your gun every time before you came here as you would always shoot at least 3 rounds to foul your barrel (what you said) or was it to just heat up your barrel to make it consistent? The only reason a person wouldn't clean their guns after every session is nothing but laziness in my book. Guess I'm old school you know a clean weapon is a good weapon. I learned this long before some idiot in the service tried to show me how to shoot. With today's cleaner-burning powders and all to actually foul your barrel, you'd need to shoot at least 10 rounds to even start to foul it. In actuality, all your doing is heating your barrel. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out but call it what you want. Seems young people nowadays think they know everything and anyone older doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground but eventually they learn just like we did. Glad you feel like you know what the actual problem is and have remedied it.
One of the practical factors to consider, in not cleaning your gun all the time, is being able to take an accurate cold bore shot if necessary. If we agree that the first few rounds from a freshly cleaned and lubed gun have a different impact than rounds that follow, then grabbing your clean and put away gun from the rack, going afield and putting the shot where it counts may be difficult. Some precision competitions I've been to require a cold bore first shot. No warm ups. And think of the sniper paradigm. That first cold bore shot has to count. He doesn't start in a a bullpen somewhere warming up his rifle first.so you don't clean your gun and say you go a few hundred rounds on your bolt gun?? Question what did you clean your gun every time before you came here as you would always shoot at least 3 rounds to foul your barrel (what you said) or was it to just heat up your barrel to make it consistent? The only reason a person wouldn't clean their guns after every session is nothing but laziness in my book. Guess I'm old school you know a clean weapon is a good weapon. I learned this long before some idiot in the service tried to show me how to shoot. With today's cleaner-burning powders and all to actually foul your barrel, you'd need to shoot at least 10 rounds to even start to foul it. In actuality, all your doing is heating your barrel. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out but call it what you want. Seems young people nowadays think they know everything and anyone older doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground but eventually they learn just like we did. Glad you feel like you know what the actual problem is and have remedied it.
John,
I tried to PM you about your school and you don't allow PMs.
SO?
See Ya around the block.
Safe Shooting
I shoot a lot of prs matches. All with custom built bolt guns with nothing but the best the market can offer. I've learned the hard way on cleaning my barrels after every session. I monitor every lot of ammo I shoot. I document group size and speeds of every lot. Every lot consist of 100 to 200 rounds depending on the match that I am shooting. You can not get the consistency if you clean your barrel every time. I'm sorry but you can not. Bore scopes help with this as it helps me maintain the copper fouling. My barrels get cleaned every 400 to 500 rounds depending on speeds and groupings of my tests. Then minimum of 40 rounds to settle the barrel back down before testing another lot that I have reloaded. There are some top ranked shooters that will not clean the copper out of their barrels. They will only clean the carbon. Maybe I am stupid and lazy because im not a brain surgeon. I guess neither are the rest of the prs shooters.
Exactly. That's why I document everything. Didnt I meet you at woody's at a dmm match before?Until the group starts opening up I don't clean the barrel, just keep the chamber clean.
I believe you did. Pretty sure I recognized your grendel and asked about it. (Iirc)Exactly. That's why I document everything. Didnt I meet you at woody's at a dmm match before?
Love the "guys and Millie".....as if I had any single solitary idea what you guys are on about! I've never shot a rifle, though I've held some nice ones at my local gun store! I'm getting ready to google muzzle brake.....
Ok, if you remove the firing pin in a AR platform the bolt can not feed, lock, unlock, extract or eject.
So no.
On the bullet deformity.
The deformity is a removal of weight correct?
So shoot 4 different weights of bullets of the same caliber and you should get 4 different groups right?
Easy to test.
Secondly easy to test, shoot iron sights on the questionable gun. I bet you a free class slot to my PDW class the two groups goes away
I might make it there in a little while, but right now I can barely hold up the 9mm 1911 for an hour and 5 boxes of ammo, much less hold onto a heavy rifle! Lol. I'm still too new to start on a different kind of firearm. But I'll get there.....Sounds like you need a short vacation to the mountains so we can remedy that illness! All you need is ammo!
Frank
^^^^^ This guy ^^^^^^
Pushing the Blunt End ofa Sharpie thru the paper.What causes this crappy group of 5 shots
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Yup,
This guy, ME?
1) It's impossible to determine the true meaning when communicating with written word.
2) There seems to be a Polite Brow Beating discounting my shared experience and I don't care.
3) What I care about is giving a follow shooter another solution to try, of which many times is unpopular. There are MANY shooters that read these post trying to get their rig running or running better. Many with limited experience ~ mechanical ability and
limited income.
My point being, when others read these post they get discouraged when MANY $hit on an optic that they may own, off the cuff endorse a Barrel or other Brand Name they Don't own, etc.
Many times others offer their advice based on their personal favorite brand, satisfaction, status symbol, etc. I do not and I may mention what works for me but I don't Push items that I prefer, it's my choice.
If a fellow shooter gets their rig running properly and They KNOW where the "LOVE" is going to be delivered, that's the end result ~ game,,, No matter what they have for gear, Period.
4) If solutions or explanations have been presented as to How an Optic, Loose Barrel, or other Anomaly knows how to "Follow a Cadence" of Left - Right - Left, especially never breaking the weld, then they have escaped me in this thread.
5) When I choose to contribute, I have no reason to Lie, Misrepresent, etc.
One of the aspects of the sport I enjoy is maintaining my own gear. I also have a Moto: "Test, Don't GUESS." Guessing can get unnecessarily expensive.
FWIW
SAFE Shooting
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Yup,
This guy, ME?
1) It's impossible to determine the true meaning when communicating with written word.
2) There seems to be a Polite Brow Beating discounting my shared experience and I don't care.
VOD quoted Boyette, not you.
Written word is tuff, what I meant was " Listen to this guy, he sounds like he knows a thing or two! "
I would not publicly poke or ridicule anyone on this great site, regardless of what they said!
Thanks for making me think about what I leave here.
Frank