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I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I keep waiting for PSA (or someone under the JJE umbrella) to start producing barrels for Handi-Rifles. There’s an untapped market that’s waiting for someone to jump on.
 
rufrdr said:
So, how can the FNC clone be legally be fitted with a rifle butt?
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Likely they will import them as pistols or other firearms, you’ll buy it as a pistol or other, then you can put a stock on it yourself. Who knows how easy that will be without seeing the gun in hand.
 
cubrock said:
Likely they will import them as pistols or other firearms, you’ll buy it as a pistol or other, then you can put a stock on it yourself. Who knows how easy that will be without seeing the gun in hand.
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I have read (although unknown if true) adding a stock on it makes it an “assault rifle” and 922r would then apply.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I have read (although unknown if true) adding a stock on it makes it an “assault rifle” and 922r would then apply.
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Yeah, I left the 922r part out since that usually starts a debate whether 922r applies to individual owners. lol. Assuming they get import approval, I am guessing we will see 922r kits, as well.

I’m down for one of the price is anywhere close to reasonable.
 
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bashman said:
I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I keep waiting for PSA (or someone under the JJE umbrella) to start producing barrels for Handi-Rifles. There’s an untapped market that’s waiting for someone to jump on.
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That won't happen. Handi rifles have too much variances in their tolerances to have barrels drop in and fit. Even when they were in business you hade to send the rifle back to have a new barrel fitted.

If somebody did make a barrel that "could " fit, it would have to be fitted by a gunsmith and then the overall cost would be prohibitive.
 
cold1 said:
That won't happen. Handi rifles have too much variances in their tolerances to have barrels drop in and fit. Even when they were in business you hade to send the rifle back to have a new barrel fitted.

If somebody did make a barrel that "could " fit, it would have to be fitted by a gunsmith and then the overall cost would be prohibitive.
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Why not start a new company making identical frame, stock, trigger group, and then have interchangeable barrels sold separately?

Like Bond Arms Derringers, but bigger and with a butt stock...
 
cold1 said:
That won't happen. Handi rifles have too much variances in their tolerances to have barrels drop in and fit. Even when they were in business you hade to send the rifle back to have a new barrel fitted.

If somebody did make a barrel that "could " fit, it would have to be fitted by a gunsmith and then the overall cost would be prohibitive.
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I really would love to have drop in barrels but you are right. Wish that I would have had bought more barrels back when I first got my rifle.
 
Probably a stupid thing but I will buy the Tommybuilt mp7 clone when its released. The mp7 is one gun I've always wanted but not being released to civilians kinda hindered that.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
Why not start a new company making identical frame, stock, trigger group, and then have interchangeable barrels sold separately?

Like Bond Arms Derringers, but bigger and with a butt stock...
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I believe the problem going in this direction is the cost of retooling. For example Thompson has the contender and encore with drop in exchangeable barrels, but they were 3 times the cost of the handi rifle (before handi rifles stopped being produced). To get the tolerances that tight on a handi rifle it would be cost prohibitive.
 
Average Joe said:
I believe the problem going in this direction is the cost of retooling. For example Thompson has the contender and encore with drop in exchangeable barrels, but they were 3 times the cost of the handi rifle (before handi rifles stopped being produced). To get the tolerances that tight on a handi rifle it would be cost prohibitive.
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And the market isn't there for a start up premium Handi now. CVA and Henry have that market share, and that share isn't very big to begin with. There isn't much market for a $500 break open single shot rifle. Most people will spend the money or a little more and pick up a cheap AR platform over the single shots.

Now if a competent gunsmith would offer barrels and fitting for $300 he would probably have more work than he could stand. He would have to make his money on volume as there wouldn't be much profit left over after parts.
 
Horerczy said:
I can see Century pulling that off. They did the same thing with the Spanish Cetme rifles.
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So how does this "parts kit" thing work? They have to torch cut barrel and receiver, take everything apart and ship it over? Do they remove any full auto components before they send it? Just curious.
 
tl;dw on the Desert Tech WLVRN - redesigned internals and AL receiver, barrel lock and receiver rails part of the 1 piece receiver dropping weight, +1 barrel clamping screw closer to their bolt action design with more clamping surface area, upgraded gas block (no more pic rail) like the newest gen MDRX, uses same MDRX handguard, different barrel extension, dropped forward ejection, 7.5 ish lbs depending on barrel length and caliber, also has a micron kit w/ 11.5" barrel, 223 wylde/300blk/6.5CM/308WIN, same price as MDRX


Kahr X9 - subcompact 9 that accepts Kahr X9, P365, and Hellcat mags, RMSc optics ready, 2 triggers - long pull/short reset, short pull/short reset, pic rail, working on other sizes and calibers




Sylvan Arms - redesigned folder adapter to be slimmer, lighter; QD MLOK pic rails and weights; misc suppressors




Hi-Point retro 995 carbine - y tho




More Tommy Built MP7 info - B&T making the clone correct suppressor; parts correct, anything he couldn't import he made; ship as a pistol but there's a plate for the stock; $3500-3995 price estimate; 500 ready to sell, has like 3500 orders; B&T will make anything from their old catalog for cloners if you ask




Harrington & Richardson retro guns footage - doing brace versions of the short barrel clones, M16A1, A2 clones, color/finish variations, CHF option; maple or black walnut furniture A1 style options; waffle mags from Nodak spud dies; weird retro/future combo upper; JSOC upper or tube kit; TIA blood diamond clone; XM177E2 clone as a pw or just the upper non p/w; Colt LMG clone just a prototype to gauge customer interest, closed bolt, will modify to be more clone correct if they make it

 
some_kid6 said:
tl;dw on the Desert Tech WLVRN - redesigned internals and AL receiver, barrel lock and receiver rails part of the 1 piece receiver dropping weight, +1 barrel clamping screw closer to their bolt action design with more clamping surface area, upgraded gas block (no more pic rail) like the newest gen MDRX, uses same MDRX handguard, different barrel extension, dropped forward ejection, 7.5 ish lbs depending on barrel length and caliber, also has a micron kit w/ 11.5" barrel, 223 wylde/300blk/6.5CM/308WIN, same price as MDRX


Kahr X9 - subcompact 9 that accepts Kahr X9, P365, and Hellcat mags, RMSc optics ready, 2 triggers - long pull/short reset, short pull/short reset, pic rail, working on other sizes and calibers




Sylvan Arms - redesigned folder adapter to be slimmer, lighter; QD MLOK pic rails and weights; misc suppressors




Hi-Point retro 995 carbine - y tho




More Tommy Built MP7 info - B&T making the clone correct suppressor; parts correct, anything he couldn't import he made; ship as a pistol but there's a plate for the stock; $3500-3995 price estimate; 500 ready to sell, has like 3500 orders; B&T will make anything from their old catalog for cloners if you ask




Harrington & Richardson retro guns footage - doing brace versions of the short barrel clones, M16A1, A2 clones, color/finish variations, CHF option; maple or black walnut furniture A1 style options; waffle mags from Nodak spud dies; weird retro/future combo upper; JSOC upper or tube kit; TIA blood diamond clone; XM177E2 clone as a pw or just the upper non p/w; Colt LMG clone just a prototype to gauge customer interest, closed bolt, will modify to be more clone correct if they make it

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The HP retro one I have to get myself!
 
I heard the H&R retro clones have a front sight that's the wrong height. It's intended for a flat top sight, not a carry handle sight. That's keeping me from dropping the money until I know if it's true.
 
Timfoilhat said:
I heard the H&R retro clones have a front sight that's the wrong height. It's intended for a flat top sight, not a carry handle sight. That's keeping me from dropping the money until I know if it's true.
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I believe that AR rear sight height is standard. The F marked front sight is required because of the shorter barrel (and as such, sight radius) on a carbine.
 
Stogies said:
So how does this "parts kit" thing work? They have to torch cut barrel and receiver, take everything apart and ship it over? Do they remove any full auto components before they send it? Just curious.
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Usually they get all the parts imported (the receiver is sliced to pieces) and century takes all the full auto bits and the receiver and chucks them then sources a ptr receiver and just enough parts it be 922(r) compliant and builds them like that. The parts they don't use that aren't regulated usually get sold on their website. I picked up a set of original Spanish wood furniture for my Century C308 CETME clone off their when they were still using up those parts kits.
 
Timfoilhat said:
I heard the H&R retro clones have a front sight that's the wrong height. It's intended for a flat top sight, not a carry handle sight. That's keeping me from dropping the money until I know if it's true.
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There will be minor stuff too, like the original not having a FA, etc
 
Timfoilhat said:
I heard the H&R retro clones have a front sight that's the wrong height. It's intended for a flat top sight, not a carry handle sight. That's keeping me from dropping the money until I know if it's true.
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Mike Wetteland (CEO of H&R, former owner of Nodak Spud) mentioned in the PSA forum on AR15.com that the A2 rifles have F height front sight bases but should zero correctly, and that the A1 rifles have the correct height FSB.

I think the problem is that nobody is making standard height .750" A2 FSBs in quantity.

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OH BOY! A $1K 22lr clone of your 9mm rifle/pistol (which can be had cheaper) ?
AND IT ONLY TAKES 10 ROUND MAGS?!?! SIGN ME UP!
 
17 HMR auto loader - ball bearing delayed, gas impingement system; uses custom buffer/buffer spring but otherwise fits a normal lower; black dog magazines; Gas pushes the "gas key" backwards and lets the ball bearings unlock from the receiver, cute little gas tube; 22WMR in the works; MSRP $1200 for the full rifle, est 600 for the upper, shipping mar/apr




380 Yeet cannon - Need I say more?

 
Fancy .338 Norma LMG for .mil market - very modular, breaks down into chunks for transport (backpack sized chunks), man portable, feed tray doesn't take the entire top so it's got a stable top rail for optics, swappable barrels,




weird breaching mossberg 590M for .mil requests but will try to sell it commercially - standoff device is part of the barrel, magazine guard for easier rock and lock, rotary safety for the 90 degree, ergo pistol grip , safety fencing, mlok pump because it was requested, action release is thumb accessible, optic rail; another option for a custom shockwave style for another country request




Sub 2k gen 3 - folds and rotates for optics, glock mags, threaded barrel, Al trigger w/ better springs, molded in shell deflector, upgraded charging handle, lightened operation, bolt latches from either side now, 3 pos adj stock, msrp $500, dropped iron sights, built up a "stockpile" of 3000 units before releasing it




TP380 update - waiting on some parts so they can finish building them for sale, hoping for Q2 release

 
some_kid6 said:
17 HMR auto loader - ball bearing delayed, gas impingement system; uses custom buffer/buffer spring but otherwise fits a normal lower; black dog magazines; Gas pushes the "gas key" backwards and lets the ball bearings unlock from the receiver, cute little gas tube; 22WMR in the works; MSRP $1200 for the full rifle, est 600 for the upper, shipping mar/apr




380 Yeet cannon - Need I say more?

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Not sure I can afford to shoot 17 HMR in a semi-auto 🤣🤣🤣. Interesting, though way over priced in my opinion.
 
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