308 vs 6.5 creedmoor

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Does the performance of the 6.5 creedmoor justify the short barrel life? I have been tossing around the idea of picking a bolt gun up in one of the calibers but am just not sure which to go with. I don't plan on competing, just long range plinking and a new rifle to play with loading for so I'm not worried about the factory ammo selection between the two.
 
Hmmmm. I may be following this thread. I have been pondering the benefits of one over the other for a while.
 
Best I understand is the barrel life of a 6.5 is less than half of a 308, there is a lot more factory ammo options for a 308, and ballistically a 6.5 spanks a 308.
 
What kind of barrel life are you thinking you're gonna get and realistically how much are you going to shoot it?

As for 6.5 vs. 308 ballistics wise the 6.5 is superior. Just looks at a comparison between like to like rifles.
 
We can talk about barrel life all you want or until we are blue in the face. The truth is barrel life is a direct reflection of rate of fire. What is going to have more wear 10 rounds ever 30 or so seconds or 10 rounds in 8 seconds?

6.5 is a great all purpose round, right ammo for the right job. I have one that I use for competition. Depending on ammo a .308 shooting a heavy 175 grain bullet will be 11-13 Mils at 1,000 yards as my 6.5 is 8.2 Mils. The bigger picture is to look at wind drift for a 10mph wind (example).

I'll get 2,500 rds out of my barrel roughly before spinning another one. I installed the barrel 2 years ago and do competitions about every other month (I try anyway).
 
Thanks for the feedback. From what I've read 6.5 is around 3k rounds and 308 is more like 10k. I probably wouldn't be shooting a ton so that point may be negligible but I figured it was still something to consider. I know the 6.5 will buck wind much better than the 308 and that is definitely something to consider.
 
Thanks for the feedback. From what I've read 6.5 is around 3k rounds and 308 is more like 10k. I probably wouldn't be shooting a ton so that point may be negligible but I figured it was still something to consider. I know the 6.5 will buck wind much better than the 308 and that is definitely something to consider.
308 is more 6-7k.

Barrels are wear items, like tires.
6.5 also has great ammo on the market that produce sub moa groups. Of course I would advise to try them all to see what the rifle likes.
 
From what I have been reading and what the fellahs here have always said, it would seem to me the 6.5 is my best option for a bolt gun and stick with the .308 in the semi. I think the barrel life on the .300WM is about the same as the 6.5. You guys straighten me out if that is incorrect.

I am just hardheaded enough to go with a .300 Win Mag bolt gun and the .308 semi. I am sure the 6.5 is a great rifle for most all the reasons mentioned. Down sides to the .300 for sure, but that is a round I know, it is fairly common, it packs a whollop, and I am comfortable with the performance.
 
From what I have been reading and what the fellahs here have always said, it would seem to me the 6.5 is my best option for a bolt gun and stick with the .308 in the semi. I think the barrel life on the .300WM is about the same as the 6.5. You guys straighten me out if that is incorrect.

I am just hardheaded enough to go with a .300 Win Mag bolt gun and the .308 semi. I am sure the 6.5 is a great rifle for most all the reasons mentioned. Down sides to the .300 for sure, but that is a round I know, it is fairly common, it packs a whollop, and I am comfortable with the performance.

300WM is always the best option. If you can handle the cost.
 
I think the question is better put:

Will you ever shoot 3000 rounds in any bolt action?

Just plinking a screwing around I will say no.

Doing comps and training for the comp, yes

I'd say about 50 rounds per range trip, depending on how many other guns I bring with me. At one trip a month, a 6.5 barrel would last me 5 years and a 308 would last almost 11 years.

How many rounds does a long range match consist of? I say that I wouldn't compete but I do shoot 3 gun and very well may try a long range match eventually.
 
I'd say about 50 rounds per range trip, depending on how many other guns I bring with me. At one trip a month, a 6.5 barrel would last me 5 years and a 308 would last almost 11 years.

How many rounds does a long range match consist of? I say that I wouldn't compete but I do shoot 3 gun and very well may try a long range match eventually.

A match is 60-120 rnds the Training for it is endless
 
whats the cost on the replacement barrels you would buy? not saying they will stay the same but compared to the cost of the ammo it is a drop in the bucket. There is some people on this board that will shoot out a barrel in a year, others will keep the factory barrel forever. what you need to realize is that this is a question none of us can answer for you.

if you want the performance buy the 6.5cm, if you want longevity buy the 308.
 
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From time to time this comes up. I've wrote about it a lot.

"Barrel life is a direct reflection of rate of fire."
Well...it could be, but it is not a direct reflection of rate of fire, unless you are doing abuse trials.

What barrel wear "is", is a complex pile of data incorporating several factors. Rate of fire could be one of those, but a subsonic 300blk is gonna last a really long time, compared to a 308 irrespective of ROF.

It might surprise you to learn that no barrel lasts more than a few seconds.
Think about that and let it sink in.

At 3300fps a bullet leaves the barrel in "roughly" 1 millisecond. Barrel length plays a role but since I am not a rocket scientist, and we only need rough numbers to illustrate this subject.

Even if you do all the complicated math "barrel life" is relative. Rare is the occasion a barrel goes from 1moa to 5 without a rather gradual sloped graph. It's not gonna be a tack driver today and a dog tomorrow, speaking loudly from Mt Olympus; "You have exceeded your round count".

You might shoot out the barrel on your 9mm, you'd be a very prolific shooter, and it has been done I guess. I've heard guys say they did. You might shoot the barrel out of a 308, it'll take some doing.
The real limiting factor in what is considered shot out is acceptable accuracy. Only the individual can answer that.

Bore diameter x powder column ratio, is a big factor, but you also have to consider velocity in that equation. The higher velocity, the higher the heat at the throat. Flame cutting at the throat is THE factor that wears the barrel. Unless you are talking about a 22lr and that is a whole other bag of ugly snakes. Yes you CAN shoot a 22lr barrel out, I've seen what it looks like through a good friend's borescope.
Not saying don't clean your rifle, but improper cleaning has ruined more barrels than you can imagine.

Velocity is the killer usually, because of the flame temps required to achieve speed. Yes an already overheated barrel will fire crack at a much accelerated rate. Wear becomes exponential at and past about 2800fps it would seem.
My actual dope numbers on my 308DPMS indicate 2820fps with 168gr SMK. It is exceptional for a gasser, an outlier if you will.
6.5 CM in a gasser with 123 class bullets might attain 2900+ safely. Yeah I know what the book says, but the book says a lot of things, and those loads weren't tested with your rifle.

I feel, and so do many others, that the Creedmoor is a superior round to the 308.
The juice is worth the squeeze, as they say. I don't need one because I have a 308 that happened to be a bit fast. I'd have one if my 308 wasn't so fast.

The "need for speed is over rated. The Creedmoor isn't going to negate your need to dope the wind, you are still gonna have to know how much to hold off. I can tell you the 308 with 168 class bullets will tire you out in a match, the Creedmoor...not so much. It does shoot softer.

Buy what you want. Buy what is accurate. Buy what you load well. Buy what you shoot well. The Creedmoor is fickle to load for in a gasser, meaning not near as idiot proof as the 308, not terribly difficult but not dead easy. In a bolt it's pretty easy.

Barrels are an expendable asset, they will need replacing. If you are choosing a caliber on barrel life you are backing up. It should be pretty low on your list of cons. Accuracy is king.

Barrel life between the CM and the 308 is negligable.
 
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I'm keeping a round count on both of my 6.5 CM's. One was purchased in December of 2015 and I now have 327 rounds down the tube. That comes to about 20 rounds per month on that rifle. The other one I picked up this past March and it has 101 rounds. It's new and I'm having fun breaking it in. It's a Howa heavy barreled action that I picked up brand new for $500 (Brownells). I already had some stocks to fit. My shooting buddy has a brand new Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 and out to 800 yards I can keep up with him in group size and at 1/3 the cost. It's really pissing him off. Ha!

I have never worn out a barrel but when I do I'll just buy a new barrel or maybe the entire barreled action, add the old stock, and throw the old rifle away. It's not a big deal. I like the 6.5 Creed over a .308. In fact, I no longer own a .308. No sense in it.
 
How do the 2 compare for a hunting round? I've thought of getting a longer range rifle than what I have, but most of my things are versatile or dual purposed. I don't think I have the time or inclination for a pure distance rifle. But something I could use to snipe a critter too might be good. I know there are tons of good 308 hunting rounds. How about the Creedmor?
 
I've had no problem dropping deer out to 200 yards with the Creed and 140 grain hunting bullets. I would not hesitate under the right conditions to double that figure simply because of the inheritant accuracy of the round. If you read the history of the 6.5 CM it started out as a long range competition/target round. It was only later that it was used as a hunting round. There are indeed many hunting rounds in a multitude of calibers. Personally, all of the big deer I've killed and hung on the wall were killed with a 7mm-08. The reason; the rifle is a featherweight model that is light and easy to carry. It does have a bite due to its light weight but for hunting it is wonderful. Ballistically, 7mm bullets are far superior to .30 caliber bullets too. If I could find a heavy barreled 7m-08 I would buy it today just to see what I could do with it. Remington put one out in the 700 several years ago but they have dropped it from their line. One day I may just have one built.

There is no perfect gun or caliber. That's what makes them so much fun. But in the last year or so, I have really enjoyed loading and shooting the Creed. It is quite amazing.
 
My vote is 30-30 Winchester or 35 Remington. Great for white tail, black bear, elk, prog horn and many more. The barrel life is eternity. The ammo i shoot is the deadliest mushroom in the woods and is everywhere on every shelf.
 
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I own a 260 Rem and 308, love the 6.5 round and out past 600 it outshines the 308....under 600 I'll stick with the ol'girl 308. Not much need a long range rifle around here, out past 600 might be shooting on someone else land....
 
I might also add a 308 will make you a better shot, the 6.5 feels like cheating the wind and bullet drop is so much better than the 308.

It makes you think about the next shot harder next time......
 
Anything beyond a 30-30/35 is too much rifle for most of the land in NC. I'm fortunate to have a place to shoot out to 850 yards safely and for free. It depends on what your intentions are. Strictly hunting then go with a 30/30 or 35 Rem. Beyond 300 yards or so then you will need to step up to something else. That is if you are trying to be do some precision shooting at distance.
 
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It's a deer, not a cape buffalo.
6.5CM, 7-08,308,7mag,300mag,35rem,32Special(I just stumped half of the members),Thuttythutty, 30-06,270,280,6.8SPC,6.5grendel,762x39,762x54,44mag,357Max,223rem,5.56, just about anything you can hit a 6" circle with at a reasonable distance will kill a deer dead dead right there.
At one time I was killing deer with a few different calibers a year for s&g.

My youngest killed her first last year with my SPR in 5.56, bang flop.
A hunting rifle is whatever rifle you hunt with, that you shoot well.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with Green Heron. Every year I take turns letting my rifles shoot a deer. I'm worried that if I leave one out the little girl will get mad and she will punish me with larger groups. Rifles are funny about that. ;)

I usually have to buy a few extra doe tags too. If the WRC cuts back on tags I don't know what I'll do!

For those of you hung up on the 6.5/.308 debate do a little homework on the venerable 6.5X55 Swede. They routinely kill moose with it in the Scandinavian countries. If the 6.5 will kill a moose it should do quick work on a 125 pound NC whitetail.
 
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