Alec Baldwin shoots and kills film crew member, injures another 'didnt know it was loaded'

Jmoser said:
www.bbc.com

Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

A man is also being treated in hospital after the firearm was discharged on set in New Mexico.
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Guess Alec never learned the fundamentals of firearm safety.
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Neither were persons in a scene or such (movie’s director & director of photography) where he was even suppose to to point a gun at? Maybe he was ”showing” them how he was going to do the scene or something but still. Even though it was a “prop” gun he fired “prop” rounds while no shooting a scene? Also the prop master will be put under the microscope for how a “prop” fire a projectile of any type that could inflict a wound of deadly level. Bet this somehow will be twisted by some hollywood whacko it into a “gun problem” … I can see idiot Baldwin crying in interviews and giving speeches about the evils of guns for the leftys.
 
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Bruce Lee's son was killed on a set in Wilmington by squib loads. This is not the first time something like this has happened.

I guess an NRA course in gun safety was not a prerequisite for these "know-it-all" Hollywood types.
 
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Downeast said:
Bruce Lee's son was killed on a set in Wilmington by squib loads. This is not the first time something like this has happened.
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That’s in the article. 😉
 
Some prop guns use internal blank firing adapters. I could see where if one of them was compromised the fragments could be discharged with a blank.

Regardless, this will probably get morphed into some new anti-gun crusade and there will be more hoops for the rest of us to jump through as a result.
 
Brandon Lee was killed by build up in the barrel from powder of the blanks, this acted as a slug. The pistol barrel had a X welded it in and that also came out.
Of course Baldwin shot a pretty young girl. Having worked on video and film, check, check and re check and even then you angle away from the target. Tragic for the girl but maybe Alex will do the right thing …Also we constricted our prop guns so you could NOT load real ammo. The MOST you would be shot with is a simmunition round.. but only on mil ranges and leo did we shoot people and then just sim ammo..
 
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NCFubar said:
Neither were persons in a scene or such (movie’s director & director of photography) where he was even suppose to to point a gun at? Maybe he was ”showing” them how he was going to do the scene or something but still. Even though it was a “prop” gun he fired “prop” rounds while no shooting a scene? Also the prop master will be put under the microscope for how a “prop” fire a projectile of any type that could inflict a wound of deadly level. Bet this somehow will be twisted by some hollywood whacko it into a “gun problem” … I can see idiot Baldwin crying in interviews and giving speeches about the evils of guns for the leftys.
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I assume they were filming him from "target's perspective" and he fired multiple times at the camera area.
 
fieldgrade said:
Never forget the Four Laws.

The first being, "All guns are always loaded."
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The rules this story brought to mind are
Rule #1 is "never let a crisis go to waste" and
Rule #2: "expendables are expendable".

"A woman" died and the story is about Alec Baldwin. eff that guy.
 
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Catfish said:
The rules this story brought to mind are
Rule #1 is "never let a crisis go to waste" and
Rule #2: "expendables are expendable".

"A woman" died and the story is about Alec Baldwin. eff that guy.
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Right. If this was one of us goofing off filming a youtube video, you reckon we'd be facing charges? I'd bet so.
 
NCFubar said:
Even though it was a “prop” gun he fired “prop” rounds while no shooting a scene? Also the prop master will be put under the microscope for how a “prop” fire a projectile of any type that could inflict a wound of deadly level.
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I would think that there would be several layers of protocol and double checking on a movie set that would prevent this sort of thing. Still, like the Brandon Lee case, mechanical devices can fail and even if you do everything right, bad things can happen.
 
noway2 said:
I would think that there would be several layers of protocol and double checking on a movie set that would prevent this sort of thing. Still, like the Brandon Lee case, mechanical devices can fail and even if you do everything right, bad things can happen.
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"Prop guns" that go bang on a set are almost always real guns, some may be modified. Purpose-made for make-believe would be a small minority. The Prop Master is not in charge of them. They have stunt coordinators, fight scene coordinators, and a separate person in charge of all things related to the guns.

Checklists and protocols are strictly followed. Live ammunition should be nowhere near these guns, ever. I'm aware of an instance (my daughter does theater and cinema production) where re-loading of blanks was done to spec, and as per usual everything was inventoried before and after. After reloading blanks the inventory exposed that ONE primer was missing. All cartridges were disassembled and the missing primer was found INSIDE one of the cartridges. That primer could have been a projectile capable of killing someone. Strict disciplinary action was taken. That's my guess on what COULD have happened here.

It would be unusual that the angle of fire would not be strictly controlled also. In Westerns and any production involving combatants in dirt and such, debris can and will get in barrels and I know of an instance where an actor was injured by debris (probably sand) from over forty feet away. It was an arm abrasion that resulted in a (probably unnecessary) ER visit. "Abundance of caution" and such. The shooter had plenty of excuses (injured party missed a cue, was in the wrong spot, all true), but again, strict disciplinary action was taken against the person who pulled the trigger.

Baldwin could have been in a scene that called for firing directly at the camera I suppose, but there would have been some sort of polycarbonate barrier with a hole(s) for the camera(s) and lead production mucky-mucks wouldn't likely be behind it.

Honestly the more I think about it something sounds fishy. I feel very bad for all involved. Baldwin IS a smug hotheaded jerk, but dang. Something's weird.
 
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We will be able to see how New Mexico law tilts for famous actors.

30-2-3. Manslaughter.
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
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30-2-5. Excusable homicide.
Homicide is excusable in the following cases:
A. when committed by accident or misfortune in doing any lawful act, by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent;
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john galt said:
Brandon Lee was killed by build up in the barrel from powder of the blanks, this acted as a slug. The pistol barrel had a X welded it in and that also came out.
Of course Baldwin shot a pretty young girl. Having worked on video and film, check, check and re check and even then you angle away from the target. Tragic for the girl but maybe Alex will do the right thing …
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That pretty young girl was the directory of photography.

Some blanks still discharge a wad or retainer cap, usually a lightweight material like paper, but a very close range still dangerous. The energy behind a full power or even 3/4 blank is still significant. You figure, for movies, they want realism, so the blanks are likely close to full power, as opposed to light stage prop blanks. I saw a demo once, where a gun with a blank was held against a phone book and shredded it. And I seem to remember a leather holster with a hole blown through it. I used to work with an ex-LEO that got shot with an old wax capped blank as a joke. It penetrated his stomach just above his duty belt and was the reason he had to leave the force with disability. They were all laughing until they saw he was bleeding.
 
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NCFubar said:
Neither were persons in a scene or such (movie’s director & director of photography) where he was even suppose to to point a gun at? Maybe he was ”showing” them how he was going to do the scene or something but still. Even though it was a “prop” gun he fired “prop” rounds while no shooting a scene? Also the prop master will be put under the microscope for how a “prop” fire a projectile of any type that could inflict a wound of deadly level. Bet this somehow will be twisted by some hollywood whacko it into a “gun problem” … I can see idiot Baldwin crying in interviews and giving speeches about the evils of guns for the leftys.
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"Prop guns" are real guns.
 
gc70 said:
We will be able to see how New Mexico law tilts for famous actors.
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Fine: monies to go to court approved anti-gun programs.
Probation and Community Service: 1 year participation in court approved 2A repeal programs.
 
One thing I wondered, I know Baldwin has been arrested numerous times for assault, by his record is he a person prohibited to have a gun? If so, isn't him handling guns on a movie set a felony and grounds for arrest? How do actors with records get around this? Most prop guns aren't fakes, they are real weapons. Folks like Mark Wahlberg and Will Smith are constantly in movies with guns, Why aren't they arrested for felon with a firearm every time they handle a real gun on set.
 
Aardvark said:
Honestly the more I think about it something sounds fishy. I feel very bad for all involved. Baldwin IS a smug hotheaded jerk, but dang. Something's weird.
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think an autopsy will be considered unnecessary?
what if she's pregnant...

phideux said:
One thing I wondered, I know Baldwin has been arrested numerous times for assault, by his record is he a person prohibited to have a gun? If so, isn't him handling guns on a movie set a felony and grounds for arrest? How do actors with records get around this? Most prop guns aren't fakes, they are real weapons. Folks like Mark Wahlberg and Will Smith are constantly in movies with guns, Why aren't they arrested for felon with a firearm every time they handle a real gun on set.
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special people get special rules. some of them are written into laws that make actors and movie sets exempt from other laws. it's dumb.
 
‘Wasn’t my fault . . .’
‘Why was I handed a hot gun ???’
 

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Aardvark said:
"Prop guns" that go bang on a set are almost always real guns, some may be modified. Purpose-made for make-believe would be a small minority. The Prop Master is not in charge of them. They have stunt coordinators, fight scene coordinators, and a separate person in charge of all things related to the guns.

Checklists and protocols are strictly followed. Live ammunition should be nowhere near these guns, ever. I'm aware of an instance (my daughter does theater and cinema production) where re-loading of blanks was done to spec, and as per usual everything was inventoried before and after. After reloading blanks the inventory exposed that ONE primer was missing. All cartridges were disassembled and the missing primer was found INSIDE one of the cartridges. That primer could have been a projectile capable of killing someone. Strict disciplinary action was taken. That's my guess on what COULD have happened here.

It would be unusual that the angle of fire would not be strictly controlled also. In Westerns and any production involving combatants in dirt and such, debris can and will get in barrels and I know of an instance where an actor was injured by debris (probably sand) from over forty feet away. It was an arm abrasion that resulted in a (probably unnecessary) ER visit. "Abundance of caution" and such. The shooter had plenty of excuses (injured party missed a cue, was in the wrong spot, all true), but again, strict disciplinary action was taken against the person who pulled the trigger.

Baldwin could have been in a scene that called for firing directly at the camera I suppose, but there would have been some sort of polycarbonate barrier with a hole(s) for the camera(s) and lead production mucky-mucks wouldn't likely be behind it.

Honestly the more I think about it something sounds fishy. I feel very bad for all involved. Baldwin IS a smug hotheaded jerk, but dang. Something's weird.
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Jon-Erik Hexum died from a blank to the temple back in the 80s.

On October 12, 1984, the cast and crew of Cover Up were filming the seventh episode of the series, "Golden Opportunity", on Stage 17 of the 20th Century Fox lot. One of the scenes filmed that day called for Hexum's character to load bullets into a .44 Magnum handgun, so he was provided with a functional gun and blanks. When the scene did not play as the director wanted it to in the master shot, there was a delay in filming. Hexum became restless and impatient during the delay and began playing around to lighten the mood. He had unloaded all but one (blank) round, spun it, and—simulating Russian roulette—he put the revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger,[6] apparently unaware of the danger.

Blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge, and this wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough force to cause injury if the weapon is fired within a few feet of the body, particularly a vulnerable spot, such as the temple or the eye. At a close enough range, the effect of the powder gases is a small explosion, so although the paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull, there was enough blunt force trauma to shatter a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel the pieces into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.[1][7]

Hexum was rushed to Beverly Hills Medical Center, where he underwent five hours of surgery to repair his wounds.[7] On October 18, aged 26, six days after the accident, Hexum was declared brain-dead.
 
Much as I dislike him, I have a hard time faulting Baldwin in this instance. I’m also questioning that a blank round could go thru two people.

im wondering if someone with an axe to grind intentionally placed a real round in that gun.
 
I bet there will be no charges for Alec 'I hate guns' Baldwin for killing and wounding two directors on a movie set. WHY would that dumbass point ANY GUN at
breathing people. Think he will go on a campaign to element firearms from all movies?? What a dumbass. Prayers for the families of the two victims .

Wonder how long this will be a headline with the msm. Headlines do not say HE KILLED anybody, the gun discharged.. those BAD BAD guns
Rust movie link
 
Can't say much after you're the one who killed someone. Can't scream it's not my fault I shot them.
 
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I wonder if cameras were rolling when it happened.
Feel bad for the families of the injured and deceased.
 
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