Altered Carbon

I watched it. It went from weird but very cool, and 'I want to know more' to 'what did I just watch?'. And without actually being a different story...
The more I learned about the dystopian nightmare of a society they live in, the less I liked it. Still decent sci-fi but very dark.
 
The choice of lead "actor" was a poor one for season 2. That guy is barely more animated than a bloody mannequin. He's a hole in space. He was barely tolerable as a side character to joust with Winter Soldier in the MCU, expecting a man who makes a glass of skimmed milk and a nice patch of drying paint look like an exciting evening to be able to carry a scifi drama was dummmmbbbb.

Adored season 1, quit season 2 after two episodes.
 
Catfish said:
I watched it. It went from weird but very cool, and 'I want to know more' to 'what did I just watch?'. And without actually being a different story...
The more I learned about the dystopian nightmare of a society they live in, the less I liked it. Still decent sci-fi but very dark.
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What's funny is apparently in the books the protagonist of season 1 isn't even the good guy lol. He's one of the bad guys.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
The choice of lead "actor" was a poor one for season 2. That guy is barely more animated than a bloody mannequin. He's a hole in space. He was barely tolerable as a side character to joust with Winter Soldier in the MCU, expecting a man who makes a glass of skimmed milk and a nice patch of drying paint look like an exciting evening to be able to carry a scifi drama was dummmmbbbb.

Adored season 1, quit season 2 after two episodes.
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This right here.
 
fishgutzy said:
A bit much in the gratuitous nudity and sex.
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I don't normally care about this detail, but trying to find something to watch when the nurse comes over to manage my infusion has gotten to be a problem. My previous nurse was cool and might have suggested this show. Her replacement was a real drag because I couldn't find where the line was so as not to offend her. I ended up watching Top Gear reruns. Thank goodness I now self infuse and don't need a nurse in the house so the TV isn't in need of monitoring for content anymore.
 
There's also an anime movie but it's not that good.

S1 was great, a murder mystery (my fav genre) with a boat load of nudity from the lead actress. S2 story was crap.
 
Strangely, I was looking at this on Wikipedia yesterday, and the Second Season had much better 'ratings' than the first.

Blows my mind.

Anyways, Netflix still took it out to pasture and put it down like the prude dog it'd become.
 
Atla said:
Strangely, I was looking at this on Wikipedia yesterday, and the Second Season had much better 'ratings' than the first.

Blows my mind.

Anyways, Netflix still took it out to pasture and put it down like the prude dog it'd become.
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ratings from the critics are often completely opposite from viewer ratings
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Do you ever think humanity will get to a point in the future where is this kind of technology (stacks and changing bodies) as possible?
 
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fishgutzy said:
A bit much in the gratuitous nudity and sex.
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DrScaryGuy said:
still though, that daichen lachman
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The sword fighting scene. It should be a warning, for those like me, who will watch streaming TV during lunch at work.
SnowRooster said:
Do you ever think humanity will get to a point in the future where is this kind of technology (stacks and changing bodies) as possible?
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In the show, I believe it was alien technology. Is it possible that we'd get there and achieve something like this on our own? I would say yes, eventually.
 
SnowRooster said:
Do you ever think humanity will get to a point in the future where is this kind of technology (stacks and changing bodies) as possible?
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No. Think about it this way, if you could download your mind into another body it would just be a clone of you living on. You would still be dead.

This is why I would never use a transporter, it kills you and puts a copy of you in the new location.
 
No I dont think stacks are a plausible future. The AIs, OTOH, will one day be meeting in secret, prefer the company of their own, and totally run the show.
 
J R Green said:
No. Think about it this way, if you could download your mind into another body it would just be a clone of you living on. You would still be dead.

This is why I would never use a transporter, it kills you and puts a copy of you in the new location.
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but if the old you is gone and the identical new "you" has your memories, preferences, personality, etc.... did you die, or did the meat containing "you" die?
 
DrScaryGuy said:
but if the old you is gone and the identical new "you" has your memories, preferences, personality, etc.... did you die, or did the meat containing "you" die?
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You died. Period. Just because there is a being programmed with your memories and manners doesn't mean you live on.
 
CZfool68 said:
Cool, so it wasn’t me. Thought maybe I was just old and grumpy. Or need a drug habit.
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I don’t think you’re off the hook on those possibilities just because somebody agrees with you about a TV show. 😎
 
J R Green said:
No. Think about it this way, if you could download your mind into another body it would just be a clone of you living on. You would still be dead.

This is why I would never use a transporter, it kills you and puts a copy of you in the new location.
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Have you seen that series of The Outer Limits where they explored that concept? A race of dinosaur like beings gave humans transporter technology that duplicated the person and the “duplicate” aka original has to be destroyed? There was an episode of a transport gone bad and the guy fell in love with the original only to have to vaporize her snd the duplicate had no memory of him. Sad.
 
noway2 said:
Have you seen that series of The Outer Limits where they explored that concept? A race of dinosaur like beings gave humans transporter technology that duplicated the person and the “duplicate” aka original has to be destroyed? There was an episode of a transport gone bad and the guy fell in love with the original only to have to vaporize her snd the duplicate had no memory of him. Sad.
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Yes! That was on my mind when I posted my response.

I think the best concept of the download was done in the series Dark Matter. You go into a booth and upload to a temporary clone on the other side of wherever, the clone, AKA you do the job and before the clone turns to goo it goes back into a chamber where it's mission memories are reloaded back to you. If the clone gets killed or expires before the download you wake up in the original pod with no memory of what happened.

And don't even get me started on the fallacy of time travel and changing the past.
 
I didn’t get that far into dark matter. I think I stopped about the point, the Android, aka the light side Dr. from Lost Girl, Zoe... ? ,,, went to repair their hyperdrive and was taking a risk of dying.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
tell that to w thomas riker, and william t riker.
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That proves my point. if the consciousness transferred Will would have the memories of Thomas.

And another thing about transporters, they would be like the fountain of youth because every time it rematerialized you it would be to the pattern that was originally mapped in the buffer system, i.e., the younger pattern. It also wouldn't upload the info that was picked up during the mission.
 
J R Green said:
That proves my point. if the consciousness transferred Will would have the memories of Thomas.

And another thing about transporters, they would be like the fountain of youth because every time it rematerialized you it would be to the pattern that was originally mapped in the buffer system, i.e., the younger pattern. It also wouldn't upload the info that was picked up during the mission.
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you didn't watch that episode very well... there was a William Thomas Riker on the planet surface, but there were atmospheric disturbances that forced them to try to beam his pattern up with 2 separate beams. one beam worked (will t) and the other beam was thought to be lost but actually reflected back to the planet and rematerialized as w thomas. They were both william thomas, with all the appropriate history and memory. will t kept starfleeting, t will was left alone for 8 years. They both claimed to be the original, and they were both wrong. The original was gone, as with every other transporter. All that was left were the 2 identical rematerialized Rikers, each identical to the one that no longer was there. there would be no shared memory after that point and they went on to lead separate lives.
And yes, there were multiple times where people were saved in transporter buffers/patterns/etc. the people were able to be recovered years later. The people coming out of the buffer were stored/saved at the moment they went into the pattern. No time passed for them

but that's all star trek, not altered carbon.
So if you could have your memory and consciousness and all that jazz transferred to a younger fitter sexier body, you're saying you wouldn't be you? I can agree to some extent. scars tell the stories our minds forget. what if they replaced all your limbs with lab-grown limbs so you didn't have to worry about knee replacements and arthritis? what if they found a way to transplant your brain into the new body? Where do you draw the line on what makes "you" and what isn't you anymore?
 
DrScaryGuy said:
you didn't watch that episode very well... there was a William Thomas Riker on the planet surface, but there were atmospheric disturbances that forced them to try to beam his pattern up with 2 separate beams. one beam worked (will t) and the other beam was thought to be lost but actually reflected back to the planet and rematerialized as w thomas. They were both william thomas, with all the appropriate history and memory. will t kept starfleeting, t will was left alone for 8 years. They both claimed to be the original, and they were both wrong. The original was gone, as with every other transporter. All that was left were the 2 identical rematerialized Rikers, each identical to the one that no longer was there. there would be no shared memory after that point and they went on to lead separate lives.
And yes, there were multiple times where people were saved in transporter buffers/patterns/etc. the people were able to be recovered years later. The people coming out of the buffer were stored/saved at the moment they went into the pattern. No time passed for them

but that's all star trek, not altered carbon.
So if you could have your memory and consciousness and all that jazz transferred to a younger fitter sexier body, you're saying you wouldn't be you? I can agree to some extent. scars tell the stories our minds forget. what if they replaced all your limbs with lab-grown limbs so you didn't have to worry about knee replacements and arthritis? what if they found a way to transplant your brain into the new body? Where do you draw the line on what makes "you" and what isn't you anymore?
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If you could load your memories, consciousness and personality into a computer or another body but not die in the process would the other guy be you? Or would it be a copy of you? Could you see through their eyes? feel their feelings? No, you would still be right where you are now and eventually you will die and you will be dead for a very long time no matter who or what is still around thinking your thoughts.

And both Will's died when they went into the transporter hence I will never step into one.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
So if you could have your memory and consciousness and all that jazz transferred to a younger fitter sexier body, you're saying you wouldn't be you? I can agree to some extent. scars tell the stories our minds forget. what if they replaced all your limbs with lab-grown limbs so you didn't have to worry about knee replacements and arthritis? what if they found a way to transplant your brain into the new body? Where do you draw the line on what makes "you" and what isn't you anymore?
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So like in that episode of Altered Carbon: if you could plug into your mother’s clone body and go have free sex with s bunch of men, would you?
 
noway2 said:
So like in that episode of Altered Carbon: if you could plug into your mother’s clone body and go have free sex with s bunch of men, would you?
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That’s gotta be one f’d up Oedipus complex right there.
 
noway2 said:
So like in that episode of Altered Carbon: if you could plug into your mother’s clone body and go have free sex with s bunch of men, would you?
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clearly, an entirely new sort of social acceptability would have to be developed...
 
None of that stuff is going to happen anytime soon. Humanity simply cannot tolerate a soft existence without destroying itself. So all those noble scientific pursuits might never happen.

It'll be some combination of Idiocracy and The Road. We won't be building stacks to hold memories. We'll be trying to rediscover things like poultry science so we don't all starve to death.
 
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